What does Chris expect from life?

[Horde Prime]

There HAS to be someone with exactly that fetish though.

OK, good point. I'll give you that, BUT would a sexual fetish be enough to maintain a relationship and put up with someone who just wants to sit around and play vidya all the time?

I think I saw a documentary/ read an article once about women who latch themselves onto manbabies because they have some perverted desire to permanently be a mum to someone but also maybe have a relationship with them?
I don't remember the details, Hell, maybe this was just a weird dream I had once.

Ah. Well... once again, that shows how much I know. Well then, yeah that's an ideal type of woman for Chris. Guess he just needs to start hitting the fetish dating sites.

 

[CatParty]

if chris used his tugboat to buy hardcore drugs to lure women, he'd be set

 

[Greg Sestero]

As for getting a girlfriend, I think his being an asshole is directly linked to his inability to find a woman. Sure he has other problems, looks, hygiene, fitness, mental competency but being a total fuckwad is probably his biggest problem. Look at the way he treated Megan.

Eh, I don't know about that. I think as far as acquiring ladies goes, fatty's biggest problem is that he's a huge pussy. He lacks assertiveness. It's also why he's stuck with Barb nowadays. He didn't become a huge asshole to Megan until she was long gone. Just a minor asshole , which he could've covered up if he was skilled in other aspects of his personality.

Well there's his assertiveness (hence the attraction sign). But I think even if the shit fell in his lap he would fuck it up somehow. With regards to Megan, she didn't see him that way and was never gonna because he wouldn't stop fucking touching her. If he were less of an asshole and more considerate of her personal space, she might very well have grown to see him that way, it can happen.

I don't know. Maybe it's possible - I personally think he didn't have a chance with Megan to begin with - but saying that Chris could have attracted women if he were more considerate is like saying he could have attracted women if he weren't Chris. The way he treated Megan was partially due to ignorance, but also his inability to put himself in other people's shoes. Oftentimes, Chris is only rude by accident because he literally has no idea how to be polite. He can't anticipate other people's social expectations and reactions the way most people do automatically.

Chris has autism that's essentially gone completely untreated for his entire life, and he's been coddled in a way that would probably instill a lot of neurotypical people with some huge entitlement issues too. It wasn't feasible for him to not be an asshole to Megan, anymore than it was feasible for him to not be an asshole to the fireman. If had Chris realized that Megan would get angry, or that accusing the firemen of theft would make him look bad, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it. People's reactions seem to baffle him; he can't comprehend why Megan was upset with him (see his explanation of SheCameForCWC) and that means he simply doesn't have the tools to behave more presentably. It's like telling a blind man to dress himself better.

 

[exball]

I don't know. Maybe it's possible - I personally think he didn't have a chance with Megan to begin with - but saying that Chris could have attracted women if he were more considerate is like saying he could have attracted women if he weren't Chris. The way he treated Megan was partially due to ignorance, but also his inability to put himself in other people's shoes. Oftentimes, Chris is only rude by accident because he literally has no idea how to be polite. He can't anticipate other people's social expectations and reactions the way most people do automatically.

Chris has autism that's essentially gone completely untreated for his entire life, and he's been coddled in a way that would probably instill a lot of neurotypical people with some huge entitlement issues too. It wasn't feasible for him to not be an asshole to Megan, anymore than it was feasible for him to not be an asshole to the fireman. If had Chris realized that Megan would get angry, or that accusing the firemen of theft would make him look bad, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it. People's reactions seem to baffle him; he can't comprehend why Megan was upset with him (see his explanation of SheCameForCWC) and that means he simply doesn't have the tools to behave more presentably. It's like telling a blind man to dress himself better.

 

[QI 541]

As for getting a girlfriend, I think his being an asshole is directly linked to his inability to find a woman. Sure he has other problems, looks, hygiene, fitness, mental competency but being a total fuckwad is probably his biggest problem. Look at the way he treated Megan.

Being an asshole is what prevents him from getting a friend, but being borderline retarded is what will ensure he never gets a girlfriend. He can't socialize, and he completely fails at hiding his mental incompetency. His voice, the way he talks, and the things he says ensure that anyone he talks to will realize he has serious mental problems the moment he opens his mouth. And that's before we even factor in his physical appearance.

Oddly, his mental problems are also probably the only reason he has any friends at all, if we're counting pity friends.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

If had Chris realized that Megan would get angry, or that accusing the firemen of theft would make him look bad, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it. People's reactions seem to baffle him; he can't comprehend why Megan was upset with him (see his explanation of SheCameForCWC) and that means he simply doesn't have the tools to behave more presentably. It's like telling a blind man to dress himself better.

How often did Megan tell him that he should stop the fuck touching her? In person, in writing, she had to keep repeating: Stop touching me.
Did he stop?
No, he pressed her against a wall and groped away. He just couldn't leave his hands off that poor woman.

GamePlace-Chris was different from Fatty today: He hadn't killed his libido yet. He certainly wasn't ignorant of the unseemliness of his behaviour, he just didn't care because a greater force (his false conviction that Megan would see the error of her ways and cave in to his romantic desires) compelled him. He knew Megan would get angry but he thought that in time she would stop getting angry and get wet at his touch instead.

The GamePlace was where Chris would try and settle his unresolved Oedipal issues and assert himself as a real man. Bossing kids around, fondling Megan, defeating opponents; away from the frightening presence of Bob who never was available as an opponent to resolve the conflict the proper way. This was a sexual thing (which is frightening if one considres how immature Chris was and is) and sexual frustration started the bitterness against Snyder.

No, I don't think Chris was ignorant. He was in the grasp of his sexual drive which is a strong force in all men and at a certain stage in their development makes a lot of them act improperly. But even at the height of this machismo trip, he was (thankfully) a huge pussy filled with fear. So the only thing he ended up doing was sublimating and drawing the infamous picture. The rest is history.

 

[Greg Sestero]

He knew Megan would get angry but he thought that in time she would stop getting angry and get wet at his touch instead.

I basically agree with the rest of your post but this is the part I want to highlight. I think you're right, but the point I was trying to make is that if he DID know Megan would get angry, he thought she would eventually relent, or that it wasn't that serious, or whatever the case may have been. Something in him made him think what he was doing was far more acceptable than it actually was. I think that's different from some JERK just sexually harassing women - Chris doesn't know the right way to approach girls and he can't pick up on social cues that would let someone know that a girl was interested, or that she was rejecting him, or that she was interested but not ready yet, or whatever. Not that this excuses his actions, but it always felt like Chris believed they were playing "hard to get" or that he would win them over with a grand gift of hedgehog drawings a la animu.

I just feel like there's a distinction to be drawn, if for no other reason than that Chris is a tard, between some dickwad who just harasses women and someone like Chris to whom the dictates of courtship are entirely foreign. What he did was wrong either way, though, and I'm willing to concede that that distinction might seem arbitrary to some (especially those who have been victimized by his roaming MANOS). "Innocent" as children may be, we would still punish them for grabbing at women, so Chris certainly doesn't get a free pass on this one.

 

[Stuff and Things]

If had Chris realized that Megan would get angry, or that accusing the firemen of theft would make him look bad, I'm sure he wouldn't have done it. People's reactions seem to baffle him; he can't comprehend why Megan was upset with him (see his explanation of SheCameForCWC) and that means he simply doesn't have the tools to behave more presentably. It's like telling a blind man to dress himself better.

How often did Megan tell him that he should stop the fuck touching her? In person, in writing, she had to keep repeating: Stop touching me.
Did he stop?
No, he pressed her against a wall and groped away. He just couldn't leave his MANOS off that poor woman.

That's not the only thing that pissed off megan, but also that chris kept acting like a douche (i think that megan described him as acting like a "bully" how ironic) towards his gay friend, and because chris kept being a poser pretending to like and know about the stuff that megan used to like; if she likes mlp, he likes mlp, if she likes sailor moon, then he likes sailor moon as well, oh, and that chris just won't understand that megan didn't wanted anything with him.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I basically agree with the rest of your post but this is the part I want to highlight. I think you're right, but the point I was trying to make is that if he DID know Megan would get angry, he thought she would eventually relent, or that it wasn't that serious, or whatever the case may have been. Something in him made him think what he was doing was far more acceptable than it actually was. I think that's different from some JERK just sexually harassing women - Chris doesn't know the right way to approach girls and he can't pick up on social cues that would let someone know that a girl was interested, or that she was rejecting him, or that she was interested but not ready yet, or whatever. Not that this excuses his actions, but it always felt like Chris believed they were playing "hard to get" or that he would win them over with a grand gift of hedgehog drawings a la animu.

I just feel like there's a distinction to be drawn, if for no other reason than that Chris is a tard, between some dickwad who just harasses women and someone like Chris to whom the dictates of courtship are entirely foreign. What he did was wrong either way, though, and I'm willing to concede that that distinction might seem arbitrary to some (especially those who have been victimized by his roaming MANOS). "Innocent" as children may be, we would still punish them for grabbing at women, so Chris certainly doesn't get a free pass on this one.

I think you falling into a typical newfag trap here Greg.

Chrissy was told multiple times, in no uncertain terms that Megan didn't welcome his touch. Dispite these obvious and clearly stated terms he still went ahead and did what he wanted, not really caring that Megan wasn't interested.

Don't excuse his behavior, retard or not Chrissy knew that Megan hated his touching but he kept on doing anyway until she got so fed up with his clumsy attempts that she broke the only real friendship Chrissy ever had.

Chrissy does what he wants and to hell with other peoples needs/ feelings. Austism is not the culprit here, just Chrissy's overwhelming ego and exaggerated senseof entitlement.

Ps. I fucking hate the new "smart" auto-correct. Fuck apple...with them with a stick.

 

[Greg Sestero]

I basically agree with the rest of your post but this is the part I want to highlight. I think you're right, but the point I was trying to make is that if he DID know Megan would get angry, he thought she would eventually relent, or that it wasn't that serious, or whatever the case may have been. Something in him made him think what he was doing was far more acceptable than it actually was. I think that's different from some JERK just sexually harassing women - Chris doesn't know the right way to approach girls and he can't pick up on social cues that would let someone know that a girl was interested, or that she was rejecting him, or that she was interested but not ready yet, or whatever. Not that this excuses his actions, but it always felt like Chris believed they were playing "hard to get" or that he would win them over with a grand gift of hedgehog drawings a la animu.

I just feel like there's a distinction to be drawn, if for no other reason than that Chris is a tard, between some dickwad who just harasses women and someone like Chris to whom the dictates of courtship are entirely foreign. What he did was wrong either way, though, and I'm willing to concede that that distinction might seem arbitrary to some (especially those who have been victimized by his roaming MANOS). "Innocent" as children may be, we would still punish them for grabbing at women, so Chris certainly doesn't get a free pass on this one.

I think you falling into a typical newfag trap here Greg.

Chrissy was told multiple times, in no uncertain terms that Megan didn't welcome his touch. Dispite these obvious and clearly stated terms he still went ahead and did what he wanted, not really caring that Megan wasn't interested.

Don't excuse his behavior, exceptional individual or not Chrissy knew that Megan hated his touching but he kept on doing anyway until she got so fed up with his clumsy attempts that she broke the only real friendship Chrissy ever had.
Chrissy does what he wants and to hell with other peoples needs/ feelings. Austism is not the culprit here, just Chrissy's overwhelming ego and exaggerated senseof entitlement.

Ps. I fucking hate the new "smart" auto-correct. Fuck apple...with them with a stick.

Irrespective of his understanding of the issue, he can't not be an asshole. You say he didn't care that Megan wasn't interested, but he was incapable of caring in the first place. Chris has the neurons he has, and they fire off in the way that they fire off, and I don't think anything in his skull can ever come together this late in the game to make him not be the Chris we know.

There's a significant difference between not having empathy and not using it. Both categories of people need to be stopped from hurting other people, but the second category consists of those who can actually change their behavior in the long run. That's not even a defense so much as an explanation. I don't think Chris knows what "evil" means in the way that we understand it, and evidence would bear out the claim that he doesn't show remorse for things. He has a dulled sense of empathy that Borb never made an effort to sharpen.

Also, autism is almost definitely the culprit. His entitlement issues and his lack of consideration for Megan scream "Untreated Autism". That's what autism makes you do, not understand (and therefore respect) social boundaries. I don't think it was okay for Chris to act that way to Megan, but I also think it was completely inevitable unless someone got serious help for him. I see that as a condemnation of Chris, not an apology on his behalf.

Edit: I'm going to terminate this line of discussion because I'm not sure where I stand anymore. It's difficult assessing Chris psychologically and I always end up flip-flopping. Maybe you have a point and I'm doing him too much of a service. That wasn't my intention when I said he couldn't control himself. When I hear that someone is a psychopath, I don't see that as a mitigating factor so much as another reason to lock them up, if that tells you anything.

I just think that if you're saying, Chris COULD have been a perfect gentleman and chose not to be, you're overestimating his abilities. I agree entirely that he's selfish enough to act like that. I just also think he's too dumb to refrain from acting like that.

 

[GFYS]

Hyperbole aside, when the house was still standing, Chris would still have been an attractive mark for someone desperate enough. There are lots of women in bad enough situations to consider it a blessing to live in a hoarder house with heat, to sleep on a couch, to get a ride to and from work every day, and to not worry about if someone's going to attack/arrest/deport you in your sleep. Having a mark like Chris, who is easily manipulated by cartoon logic, is bonus points.

...It's difficult assessing Chris psychologically and I always end up flip-flopping.

That's the madness the surrounds Chris. There are so many peculiarities, so much contradictory info, and so many possibilities that it's almost impossible to come to any consensus - even among your own mental threads. Personally, I think Chris would be just as confused as the rest of us, if he had a moment of introspection. I sometimes think that's where the Facebook posts came from. Maybe Chris tried to think "what do I want?" Immediately, he falls into an infinite loop of contradictions and "durrr," but can only express it as

Of course that assumes he has the capacity for introspection, or even thinking in words. That may be giving him too much credit.

 

[Coldgrip]

...It's difficult assessing Chris psychologically and I always end up flip-flopping.

That's the madness the surrounds Chris. There are so many peculiarities, so much contradictory info, and so many possibilities that it's almost impossible to come to any consensus - even among your own mental threads. Personally, I think Chris would be just as confused as the rest of us, if he had a moment of introspection. I sometimes think that's where the Facebook posts came from. Maybe Chris tried to think "what do I want?" Immediately, he falls into an infinite loop of contradictions and "durrr," but can only express it as

Of course that assumes he has the capacity for introspection, or even thinking in words. That may be giving him too much credit.

I always felt that if a psychiatrist ever got a hold of Chris for long term therapy, they could write a book and retire.

Or go mad at the shear amount of contradictions and hypocrisy in OPL's though process.

 

[Strewth]

To crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

 

[Batman]

To crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Funny. Where have I heard that before?

To crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentation of their women (before taking them for himself)

T-to crush dose DANG DIRTY TROLLS, see dem driven before m-me, and to hear the lam-lam-wailing of dere non-GodbearJesus given womenfolk.

Hmm yeah.

Oh yes.

 

[Strewth]

Oops. Not very ORIGINAL.

Great minds think alike?

 

[QI 541]

I just think that if you're saying, Chris COULD have been a perfect gentleman and chose not to be, you're overestimating his abilities. I agree entirely that he's selfish enough to act like that. I just also think he's too dumb to refrain from acting like that.

I don't think Chris's biggest issue is that he doesn't understand social context. His problem is that he doesn't care about other people at all, especially when the wants of others get in the way of his own. His autism prevents him from figuring out what others want most of the time, but there's plenty of examples where he's fully aware and still doesn't care.

When he wished death on Mimm's girlfriend, he was fully aware that if someone killed Mimm's girlfriend, it would hurt both Mimms and his girlfriend, but he didn't care as long as it made himself feel better. When he trespassed on the Game Place, he was fully aware that he was pissing off Snyder, but that didn't matter to him because he wanted to play more Pokemon. He didn't intentionally hit Snyder with his car, but if he cared about other people's lives at all, he wouldn't have been driving so recklessly. He was fully aware that he was damaging a business when he vandalized an Xbox, but that didn't matter to him because he really wanted to vent his rage.

I'm entertaining the idea that Chris has problems with empathy simply because he doesn't care about other people.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Chris really needs to have a simple shower, wash all the birdyness off his face. Fix his stupid hair with mousse, and take some of his to a middle class establishment on a Friday night and shower girls with shots of Kahlua.

He'd be swimming in pussy then.

 

[Greg Sestero]

I'm entertaining the idea that Chris has problems with empathy simply because he doesn't care about other people.

It's the other way around.

 

[CatParty]

I'm entertaining the idea that Chris has problems with empathy simply because he doesn't care about other people.

It's the other way around.

i agree he is just a selfish asshole

 

[Enjoy your spaghetti]

I'm entertaining the idea that Chris has problems with empathy simply because he doesn't care about other people.

It's the other way around.

Other people don't care about him?