What If Autistic People Took Over The World And Enslaved Neurotypicals

[Maxliam]

Okay so the Downies would the be the Autismos' Tard Guard to enforce their mumbled out laws. Since they tend to not get enough sex (if any), they would slowly die off in a generation and have to have normies breed. So we'd be looking at a generation of this. Can't be the next step in the evolutionary chain if you don't know how to reproduce.

We might see the Downies fighting the Autismos.

Here's how I'd see their uprising:

 

[ZeCommissar]

Okay so the Downies would the be the Autismos' Tard Guard to enforce their mumbled out laws. Since they tend to not get enough sex (if any), they would slowly die off in a generation and have to have normies breed. So we'd be looking at a generation of this. Can't be the next step in the evolutionary chain if you don't know how to reproduce.

We might see the Downies fighting the Autismos.

Here's how I'd see their uprising:

I'm just imagining some Roman looking emperor with a Sonic cape surrounded by Down Syndrome Praetorian Guards

Putting the special into special forces

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Maybe it's already happened.

I mean the internet is proving time and time again that everyone has a little bit of autism in them.

 

[HazamA]

Autistic People Took Over The World? Nope, not gonna happen.

The Thing is Autistic People Already Took Over This AutismFarm!

 

[kinglordsupreme19]

The problem is that the lack of cognitive empathy and hyper-introverted tendencies in autists would make it:

a) impossible for the ruling autist class to effectively collaborate with one another, as they prefer to work independently and nobody would be able to efficiently split the labour
b) difficult - without some sort of advanced tech that could somehow do the job of cognitive empathy - to effectively govern the NTs and prevent revolt or gross inefficiency
c) tend towards systems of governance and organisation that assume a certain picture of human nature; autists tend to be the biggest advocates of the idea that people are maximally plastic, and you can create a new type of man if you just will it hard enough. Or, in sort, autists tend towards idealistic and utopic political visions that are utterly unsustainable due to human nature being impossible to capture by the autist's hyper-systematic tendencies.
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The higher-functioning autist is a tragic figure. I believe they have beautiful minds that, if we were an atomistic race, would soar above every other. But the success of humanity has come about because we also are very good at collaborating and dynamically splitting labour. In this regard the autist is utterly impotent.

Often, the autist can see mankind, but never quite join or engage with it.

 

[Russian Civil War]

The problem is that the lack of cognitive empathy and hyper-introverted tendencies in autists would make it:

a) impossible for the ruling autist class to effectively collaborate with one another, as they prefer to work independently and nobody would be able to efficiently split the labour
b) difficult - without some sort of advanced tech that could somehow do the job of cognitive empathy - to effectively govern the NTs and prevent revolt or gross inefficiency
c) tend towards systems of governance and organisation that assume a certain picture of human nature; autists tend to be the biggest advocates of the idea that people are maximally plastic, and you can create a new type of man if you just will it hard enough. Or, in sort, autists tend towards idealistic and utopic political visions that are utterly unsustainable due to human nature being impossible to capture by the autist's hyper-systematic tendencies.
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The higher-functioning autist is a tragic figure. I believe they have beautiful minds that, if we were an atomistic race, would soar above every other. But the success of humanity has come about because we also are very good at collaborating and dynamically splitting labour. In this regard the autist is utterly impotent.

Often, the autist can see mankind, but never quite join or engage with it.

Introversion I get being detrimental, but isn't a lack of empathy a plus in effective autocraticleadership?

 

[kinglordsupreme19]

Introversion I get being detrimental, but isn't a lack of empathy a plus in effective autocraticleadership?

A lack of affective empathy is very useful. A deficit in affective empathy is a lack of emotional response to that of other people's suffering. A psychopath is often a very good autocrat because he is not held back by sentimentality, even when he can see he is causing great harm and suffering.

A lack of cognitive empathy is not. Cognitive empathy is the ability to perceive emotions in others - that is, an autist will not be able to tell intuitively percieve the emotions of others from facial expressions, tone, and body language. The only exceptions are high-functioning ones, and they can only perceive extreme and thus very obvious emotions (crying, laughter, etc).

Many autists tend to have a lot of affective empathy and feel the emotions of others once they come to understand via non-intuitive deduction or explicit explanation. They can feel bad once they hear about someone having injustice done unto them, or can feel happy once they realise someone they like has had something good happen to them. However, they have no hard-wired ability to tell what other people are feeling. Often, they have to mechanically deduce the emotions of others to have a chance of knowing what they feel at all.

Compare this to a normal human or a psychopath who has no affective empathy; they have some intuitive short-cuts to help them know what others are feeling (they don't have to spend a lot of time computing expressions and emotions). The social awkwardness of the autist often arises because to them, other people simply appear to be unchanging blank slates. They don't see emotions, feelings, or pain. They know that these things exist (after all, they experience them), but they cannot see them in others except at rare extremes or after being told.

As you can perhaps guess, this is why most autists are extremely gullible. It is also why most of them are very awkward and offputting; to have any chance of blending in, they have to manually do what most people do automatically and learn facial expressions, body language, and voice tones and work to compute the state of their interlocutors on every occasion they have a social interaction. It's incredibly hard work - thus even the autist who masters this is going to have limited energy and also will be capped in their ability relative to that of a standard human.

This is an awful formula for a leader. A leader needs to be able to perceive morale and emotion in their subordinates to develop a strategy to motivate and guide them. They also need to be able to perceive when and how to interact with colleagues. The lack of cognitive empathy makes such perception impossible.

The psychopath with zero affective empathy can manipulate and work others without remorse. But he knows the limits of human nature and also when he is squeezing too hard or being too lenient. The autist with zero cognitive empathy knows none of this.

If you want to know more, I'd recommend Baron-Cohen's book Zero Degrees of Empathy. This goes into the taxonomy of empathic deficits.

 

[Christy Mack]

A lack of affective empathy is very useful. A deficit in affective empathy is a lack of emotional response to that of other people's suffering. A psychopath is often a very good autocrat because he is not held back by sentimentality, even when he can see he is causing great harm and suffering.

A lack of cognitive empathy is not. Cognitive empathy is the ability to perceive emotions in others - that is, an autist will not be able to tell intuitively percieve the emotions of others from facial expressions, tone, and body language. The only exceptions are high-functioning ones, and they can only perceive extreme and thus very obvious emotions (crying, laughter, etc).

Many autists tend to have a lot of affective empathy and feel the emotions of others once they come to understand via non-intuitive deduction or explicit explanation. They can feel bad once they hear about someone having injustice done unto them, or can feel happy once they realise someone they like has had something good happen to them. However, they have no hard-wired ability to tell what other people are feeling. Often, they have to mechanically deduce the emotions of others to have a chance of knowing what they feel at all.

Compare this to a normal human or a psychopath who has no affective empathy; they have some intuitive short-cuts to help them know what others are feeling (they don't have to spend a lot of time computing expressions and emotions). The social awkwardness of the autist often arises because to them, other people simply appear to be unchanging blank slates. They don't see emotions, feelings, or pain. They know that these things exist (after all, they experience them), but they cannot see them in others except at rare extremes or after being told.

As you can perhaps guess, this is why most autists are extremely gullible. It is also why most of them are very awkward and offputting; to have any chance of blending in, they have to manually do what most people do automatically and learn facial expressions, body language, and voice tones and work to compute the state of their interlocutors on every occasion they have a social interaction. It's incredibly hard work - thus even the autist who masters this is going to have limited energy and also will be capped in their ability relative to that of a standard human.

This is an awful formula for a leader. A leader needs to be able to perceive morale and emotion in their subordinates to develop a strategy to motivate and guide them. They also need to be able to perceive when and how to interact with colleagues. The lack of cognitive empathy makes such perception impossible.

The psychopath with zero affective empathy can manipulate and work others without remorse. But he knows the limits of human nature and also when he is squeezing too hard or being too lenient. The autist with zero cognitive empathy knows none of this.

If you want to know more, I'd recommend Baron-Cohen's book Zero Degrees of Empathy. This goes into the taxonomy of empathic deficits.

People with aspergers/HFA have cognitive empathy that's only slightly worse than the average person, and normally functioning mirror neurons. When neuroscience evolves to a sufficient point many theories in psychology will be debunked.

Autism is a disease of excessive inflammation and lipid peroxidation in the brain, resulting in extreme neuroticism, "mind blindness" is only a result of them avoiding eye contact due to anxiety.

 

[kinglordsupreme19]

People with aspergers/HFA have cognitive empathy that's only slightly worse than the average person, and normally functioning mirror neurons. When neuroscience evolves to a sufficient point many theories in psychology will be debunked.

What you're asserting regarding cognitive empathy runs contrary to the literature; the difference is held to be substantial.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00791/full

"Our data show that adolescents with ASD have a deficit in the cognitive empathy dimension, but do not differ from controls in the affective empathy dimension when other people express emotions with positive valence."

Similar discussion in:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23446714

If you can source your image macro that would be useful, but Baron-Cohen has since revised the Eye Test since 2001, and now believes that it reveals a substantive cognitive empathic deficit in the autistic population. Taking into account IQ-matched controls, the empathic difference is substantive and autists are well outside the standard deviation of their IQ-matched cohorts. This seems to suggest that the phenomenon of manual processing of empathic stimuli is at work in the autistic population. Indeed, considering the SD of autist empathy scores and the lower mean, that means that the general autist distribution is substantially separate from the general population.

Autism is a disease of excessive inflammation and lipid peroxidation in the brain, resulting in extreme neuroticism, "mind blindness" is only a result of them avoiding eye contact due to anxiety.

The literature on inflammation and lipid peroxidation definitely suggests a substantive correlation between the two. But while correlation is necessary for causation, it is not sufficient; they may only correspond with the neurological changes that drive autistic development.

As for your claim that autism is merely a state of hyper-neuroticism, I profoundly disagree. I invite you to substantiate that point further, but while it is true that trait neuroticism is higher in the autistic population than the general population, to dismiss the lack of cognitive empathy runs utterly contrary to virtually all the literature and the recorded phenomenology of autism. While I agree that autists may suffer an anxiety response from eye contact (and empathic reading), this is not due to neuroticism and anxiety response - such things arise due to the time-constrained stress of deducing and inducing behaviours they have no intuitive mechanism to perceive.

 

[AF 802]

You mean that already hasn't happened?

Considering that autism diagnosis rates are already up to 1 in 50-ish, I think it's possible that we're very close, if not within this generation.

 

[Joe_Camel]

It'd be like a zombie outbreak where you could pretend to be as braindead as them and not raise suspicion.

 

[Jarilo182]

Super-fast technological and scientific progress compared to now, generally more structure, less moralfagging and degeneracy. I'm definitely in favor of a genuine 'autocracy'.

 

[NerdShamer]

I expect that each of them would have an group of normie manservants that will give them anything that they'll want; like what Jimmy Wichard did when he was Booby Hill's manager, except that someone actually dies and the autistic can't be held responsible for that kind of shit.

 

[therealchrischan]

Super-fast technological and scientific progress compared to now, generally more structure, less moralfagging and degeneracy. I'm definitely in favor of a genuine 'autocracy'.

just curious would crime be lower i understand that chric chan has a crime record especially after the gamestop escapade but other than someone like chris do you think they would somewhat lower crime?

 

[NerdShamer]

just curious would crime be lower i understand that chric chan has a crime record especially after the gamestop escapade but other than someone like chris do you think they would somewhat lower crime?

Probably not. Some of the lower-functioning ones can be violent if someone is standing between what they want.

 

[therealchrischan]

how would the autistic society deal with the drug cartel. rip their arms off and pepper spray them if they are not blue lol.

 

[TheSalemLich]

My personal opinion, is that autism is really the new schizophrenia. There was a scare that started primarily in the 50's/60's associated with the beatnik/psychedelic counter cultural movements of adolescents and young adults losing their minds on drugs. These people were perceived in some capacity as a threat to law and order, and were given this negative stigma to prevent these non neuro-typical individuals from gaining power in society by channeling their energies into the arts and sciences. Autism is characteristically similar, we just replaced drugs with the internet. The stigma around Autism is also similar to that of schizophrenia, although there is a stronger dose of compassion tied in with it thanks to our hand holding politically correct 21st century culture. Nonetheless, I believe this attitude is toxic and cripples the Autist into believing social myths about their "disorder" that forever cast them as an outsider in the act of their own lives. My view is that this "disorder" if it ever was one, can take on so many different forms per individual that it is almost pointless to try and narrow it down into any set of universal signs and symptoms. To summarize, more or less every Autist is seemingly exactly as their mother's have told them over the years: Special.

That being said, it is my view that "Autists" Or non neuro-typicals who lean more towards a scientific understanding of reality over an emotional one, are in some capacities, best suited to sit at the helm of an AI driven society. The notion of the mentally ill sitting in positions of power over a social group, isn't even a new notion historically speaking. We could cast the autist in the drama of our technocratic future, similarly to the manner of the shaman in our prehistoric one. The shaman, though mentally ill, utilized a unique mental methodology to push the boundaries of percieved reality, by thinking and behaving in a manner completely alien to his general community. It was through the shaman that creative and strange solutions could be developed to solve problems and mysteries that eluded the general population.

Technologically speaking, my view is that we are not far from a point when virtually every statesmen will be required to be able to read and write in several different computer programming languages as a pre-requisite to acquiring office, as a matter of fact, a person's ability to develop and create programs may be one of the primary driving factors in future elections. (Imagine creators of popular apps leveraging their capital and celebrity to run for office Vitalik, Zucc, etc...) The management of our digital landscape has gone sorely under-addressed for a very long time, and quite frankly, the only people who are insane enough to even attempt to fix the broken international political machine are spergs like you and me.

 

[spurger king]

My personal opinion, is that autism is really the new schizophrenia. There was a scare that started primarily in the 50's/60's associated with the beatnik/psychedelic counter cultural movements of adolescents and young adults losing their minds on drugs. These people were perceived in some capacity as a threat to law and order, and were given this negative stigma to prevent these non neuro-typical individuals from gaining power in society by channeling their energies into the arts and sciences. Autism is characteristically similar, we just replaced drugs with the internet. The stigma around Autism is also similar to that of schizophrenia, although there is a stronger dose of compassion tied in with it thanks to our hand holding politically correct 21st century culture. Nonetheless, I believe this attitude is toxic and cripples the Autist into believing social myths about their "disorder" that forever cast them as an outsider in the act of their own lives. My view is that this "disorder" if it ever was one, can take on so many different forms per individual that it is almost pointless to try and narrow it down into any set of universal signs and symptoms. To summarize, more or less every Autist is seemingly exactly as their mother's have told them over the years: Special.

That being said, it is my view that "Autists" Or non neuro-typicals who lean more towards a scientific understanding of reality over an emotional one, are in some capacities, best suited to sit at the helm of an AI driven society. The notion of the mentally ill sitting in positions of power over a social group, isn't even a new notion historically speaking. We could cast the autist in the drama of our technocratic future, similarly to the manner of the shaman in our prehistoric one. The shaman, though mentally ill, utilized a unique mental methodology to push the boundaries of percieved reality, by thinking and behaving in a manner completely alien to his general community. It was through the shaman that creative and strange solutions could be developed to solve problems and mysteries that eluded the general population.

Technologically speaking, my view is that we are not far from a point when virtually every statesmen will be required to be able to read and write in several different computer programming languages as a pre-requisite to acquiring office, as a matter of fact, a person's ability to develop and create programs may be one of the primary driving factors in future elections. (Imagine creators of popular apps leveraging their capital and celebrity to run for office Vitalik, Zucc, etc...) The management of our digital landscape has gone sorely under-addressed for a very long time, and quite frankly, the only people who are insane enough to even attempt to fix the broken international political machine are spergs like you and me.

This is how Roko's Basilisk becomes a real thing. Or Roko's Autist rather.

 

[DildoGaggins]

Not possible, if the autistic's took charge all it would take to beat them would be to bang a pan.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

Autistics are people who live in their own worlds, like CWCville, Australatina, the Sonicverse or various anime franchises. So, how could they ever take over ours, the real world?