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The Pope is Catholic, bears shit in the woods, and new research shows that “men who identify as incels overestimate how much women want physical attractiveness and financial success” in a partner while underestimating the importance of traits such as kindness, humour and loyalty.

Forgive my sarkiness – but I don’t think we needed a study to prove that incels’ barometer for what women want is somewhat wonky. Any woman who has tuned in for any length of time to the incel philosophy (not to mention any straight woman trying to date) would have been able to tell you as much.

Short for “involuntary celibate”, the term incel has myriad connotations, ranging from risible stereotypes to the downright terrifying (incel ideologies have been cited in manifestos for mass killings, although the report suggests the ideology isn’t the main motivation).

Whatever end of the spectrum they fall on, incel beliefs boil down to a simple equation: women owe them sex, but they aren’t delivering. Never does it seem to occur to these men that it’s their attitude towards women that’s the problem – and reason no one wants to date them – rather than their looks or their money.

Not only do women remain with men during difficult financial periods, but also research shows that more and more US women are the breadwinners in their relationships. It’s also worth mentioning that, quite opposite from seeking the most handsome men, one study suggests women are happier with less attractive husbands.

Anecdotally, when it comes to long-term partnership, a sense of humour and thoughtfulness go much further than looks – my boyfriend is gorgeous, obviously, but I love him much more when he cooks a surprise dinner or makes me laugh than when he’s done 20 extra push-ups.

Despite this, incel communities instead discuss frightening ideas like state-mandated girlfriends as serious solutions to their predicament, believing that it would save them from the whole ordeal of dating (which would force them to treat women as human beings!). Why won’t anyone date me?! cry these guys, as they put their finishing touches to a manifesto for keeping women in cages. Truly, a mystery for the ages.

For a worldview that rails against the injustices faced by single, straight men, incel-dom sure does a good job of keeping them that way. The idea that women are only interested in the most preternaturally chiselled men and their bulging bank accounts must fill any guy who falls below the impossible (imaginary) standard with self-pity.

Women (or “foids”, short for “female humanoids” on incel forums), meanwhile, are seen as vapid idiots at best, and sex-slot-machines – into which you just have to pour the right amount of money and/or abs in order to cash out – at worst.

It’s hard not to feel frustrated by this state of affairs, partly because it seems so easy to straighten out; women have been writing books and articlescountering these toxic arguments, as well as offering more realistic accounts of what we’re actually looking for in male partners.

Sure, nice jawlines and money don’t hurt – but the idea that that’s what’s stopping an incel from getting a daterather than the frustration and resentment radiating from his every pore seems pretty convenient on the one hand, and totally self-defeating on the other.

With such a brutal understanding of interpersonal relationships, it’s perhaps no surprise that the study from the University of Swansea reveals incel mental health to be in staggeringly poor shape.

Hatred often comes from unhappiness, and I’d be depressed too if I felt as if the world was configured in such a way as to make my personal fulfilment impossible.

But the good news is that however dark the incel worldview might seem, it is a fantasy. Hopefully this new study, conducted by Dr Andrew Thomas and masters student William Costello will encourage incels to see women as human beings.

Say it with me: women don’t care about your cheekbones, we want to be seen as full human beings. That might not sound like much to ask, but it should be revelatory for the guys who are too busy griping about their facial structure to see the altogether simpler – and far more meaningful – truth. If it takes a study by a man to get that ball rolling, then so be it.
 
The humor thing tracks. All the parties I went to in my 20’s, it was always the funny guys who got the most attention from the ladies.
It's not quite that simple. It's also the visually and vocally attractive guys that get the most laughs, even if their jokes aren't as good.

I remember this from being around actors. They could say dumb and uninteresting things, but do it with beautiful voices, good looks and this creating a magnetic personality. People would listen to them and laugh at their mediocre jokes because they were so generally captivating.

They would seem like the funny guys because of it. It's pretty complex; all the things that go into making people attractive.

Hatred often comes from unhappiness, and I’d be depressed too if I felt as if the world was configured in such a way as to make my personal fulfilment impossible.
A stunning admission from the author about why feminism is bad for women.
 
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No nation, not a one has dealt with population collapse and lived. Why do you think TPTB are so damn intent on importing third world workers?
We have to import millions of foreigners in order to keep parity with birthrates which would naturally be around sustainable if the "losers" in question were actual mentally ill people or social rejects rather than the everyman or people that are just a bit eccentric but functional because of the large amounts of dysfunction in the dating scene, you dumb boomer nigger. That's like saying just because the Roman Legions have more Germanic mercenaries rather than native born Italians/Latins, the Roman Empire will still be sustainable and manage to function well despite the obvious as fuck problems being ignored getting worse. Protip: it didn't.

This short-sighted thinking got us to this place. Maybe we should stop doing that and fix actual problems in our nation instead of pretending they don't exist or thinking they'll fix themselves. I though America was full of people who were natural born problem solvers, then I grew up and realized most Americans are retarded and it was only a small handful of them that managed to make this country great (at one point anyway).
At some point in the future, you're both going to realize that none of these fever dreams you've cooked up happened, and I don't think you'll be able to handle it well.
 
At some point in the future, you're both going to realize that none of these fever dreams you've cooked up happened, and I don't think you'll be able to handle it well.
Tullus, you're just being insane. There's nothing wrong with stuffing the 109th legion with people that have no loyalty to Rome. Nothing's going to happen bro. Stop being paranoid
- Some Roman retard 2 months before Germanic barbarians sacked Rome in 476 AD

Just because you act like the average American and don't realize that actions have consequences does not in fact mean actions don't have consequences. The fact that the dating pool has gotten exponentially worse from my childhood and early teenage years in the 2000s to now is a testament to how full of shit you are, let alone the actual state of dating apps, shit like "situationships", #MeToo, women just generally being more boring and much more of a liability to be around compared to the early 2010s (when I can genuinely say there were a lot of positives to being around a woman and dating her) and a whole load of nonsense that surrounds the dating world today. Stop living with your head in the sand. You don't have to be and incels.is member or a poster on /r9k/ to see that we are in the middle of a demographics crisis surrounding male-female sexual relations and their breakdown. In fact, statistically speaking, most incels aren't actual weirdo misogynists, they're just normal dudes that got shafted by our fucked up society for no reason other than for some billionaire faggot's bottom line.

I have to ask if you legit think the world stays the same magically now because we have technology and it's not changing/will not change ever again or are you just really that fucking dumb that you can't see why this is a massive problem that will affect you in the very near future in some very obvious way shape or form? Both are pathetic and indicative of you being stupid as pigshit, but I'm just curious.
 
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how much women want physical attractiveness and financial success”
Young women definitely do want these things, generally.
the importance of traits such as kindness, humour and loyalty.
This is something a woman who chose the former things the first time around will tend to look for when she's divorced and has gained some humility and wisdom. I have met these women and they are great. They make excellent wives. I have known several instances of second marriages where both parties had been through the wringer the first time around, had learnt from it, and made good choices in their new spouse.
 
Just practice your stand up comedy routine in the shower bro.
A fun exercise is trying to get away with things by making fun of other things the person likes. And if they get mad just say it's a reference to something which highlights something or some shit blah blah blah therefore racism, or the jews, or the gays.

Or just double down, doubling downs always funny. Speaking of downs.
 
Young women definitely do want these things, generally.

This is something a woman who chose the former things the first time around will tend to look for when she's divorced and has gained some humility and wisdom. I have met these women and they are great. They make excellent wives. I have known several instances of second marriages where both parties had been through the wringer the first time around, had learnt from it, and made good choices in their new spouse.
So the vast majority of men should wait for Chad to have his turn and then they can be some broken whores comfort pet?
 
Yes, many women believe this to be a "fair deal."
This used to be advice women would give guys in their 30s and guys in their 20s with mental problems and I would have no complaints if that were the case here but its just now occurring to me that s/he directed this to college aged men who have their shit together.
 
You know I'm a little older, and one weird thing I'm noticing more with some of these mid-30s primary breadwinner women that I work around is when they describe their husbands to me, most of the time these guys are DUMB!

One woman I worked for at one point in time who was pretty high up in the ranks was telling me this story of how her stay at home dad husband was so fucking stupid - he kept forgetting to give the tuition check to their daughter's preschool, so she taped it to the rear view mirror of his car, and he still forgot.
 
This used to be advice women would give guys in their 30s and guys in their 20s with mental problems and I would have no complaints if that were the case here but its just now occurring to me that s/he directed this to college aged men who have their shit together.
When good looking well educated guys are getting this advice something has gone terribly wrong with society.

I'm sorry it hurts women's feelings but I'd rather not society go to shit.
 
Another bad study to chuck into the fire, stated preference =/= actual preference. I'm glad young men generally see through this bullshit "just 🐝 urself bro"-tier advice now, for better and for worse we must confront the situation as it exists on the ground rather than acting as if we exist in the halcyon days of yonder or the figments whooped up by Hollywood.
 
Another bad study to chuck into the fire, stated preference =/= actual preference. I'm glad young men generally see through this bullshit "just 🐝 urself bro"-tier advice now, for better and for worse we must confront the situation as it exists on the ground rather than acting as if we exist in the halcyon days of yonder or the figments whooped up by Hollywood.
I'm sure most men can actually make it and get a good relate with good advice but I'm not actually seeing advice being given or gender relations being mended. It's just guys giving up on romance and girls still turning into thots.
 
What's the point of articles dunking on incels?

Incels are probably the single most hated demographic in society. Normies hate and gear incels more than terrorists and nigger rapists and murderers.
They're trying to counter the incel's arguments about women, which are basically that women have sex drives (making them attracted to attractive men) and that they often are going for wealthier men making six figures who are a minority (google suggests median household income is about $75k).

Women often don't like this idea that they have unreasonable expectations with dating, so you get articles like this treating it like it's the fault of men for thinking women have really high expectations.

Personally I feel like women too often are attracted to an aesthetic rather than a person. Like they want to insert themselves into a lifestyle that they see a guy has, rather than necessarily be with that guy. Plenty guys seem to have picked up on this and are comfortable with it. So they try telling other guys pretty frankly to just provide this lifestyle for a woman and be happy with that rather than hope for a woman to necessarily care about them.

Imagine this is kinda fucking with some women's heads since they can read this commentary the same as all those guys and are finding they're viewed as hyper materialistic and almost devoid of any loving tendencies.
 
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