What is/are the causes of transgenderism? - Psychological and societal changes? One cause or many? Is there blame?

[gang weeder]

Normalization of homosexuality. If you wanted to be special it used to be enough just to be gay. Now being gay isn't special so we've slippery sloped down into something else. Once trannies are fully normalized then attention seekers will do something even more retarded. Can't wait to find out what it is.

There are plenty of reasons that everyone has already given, but if I have to pick one, it boils down to this. The root-level consistent unifying thread of all wokeshit is flipping the bird at traditional Western values/social norms/morals/etc. There's no other factor I can think of that makes sense for all of the different leftie perspectives together, but this one does. It explains why hardcore Islamists are on the same team with trannies in the West, they have a common enemy.

This conflict stems from the modern secular state and its power struggle with older, more traditional institutions, most significantly the church, the family, and the idea of a local community. The more that the state can grind down and break up those institutions, the more that it can fill in the gaps created to suck up more power, clout and money for itself. So long term anything and everything that can be deployed to that purpose gets the state's official seal of approval, from "Civil Rights" all the way forward today to trannies.

This is the root cause reason trannies are sacred today. Many of the other reasons why people go troon still existed in the past, such as wanting to find an identity, sexual deviancy, fetishism, etc. However these would be suppressed or completely nullified by the rest of society at large, whereas today the government instead enables and endorses the behavior. People often point out that trannies are near-perfect government tax cattle and this is a very astute observation.

As far as getting rid of them, I think we are on the course to reversing the great Trans Trend, and it is because it hurts women too much. "Empowering" women was one of the most powerful weapons used by the state as a battering ram in this conflict against traditional institutions, arguably the single most powerful, and it created a large class of left wing women who are very useful to the state and loyal to it. However as time goes on it becomes more and more undeniable that troons are simply very bad for women, even for very left wing women, and it's too impossible for them to ignore. Ultimately the government will have to side with the women over the trannies.

We're not there yet but you can clearly see the trend. All of the times that some big left wing person gets in controversy for backstabbing trannies it's usually a woman, JK Rowling, now Ana Kasparian, etc. The most effective angle that is doing real damage to the cause of trannies is how much it is destroying all these very young girls who troon out and cut off their breasts in their teens. And it is explicitly the left wing youth that are vulnerable to it, it usually doesn't happen to conservative youth, so it's creating a big backlash on the left's own side against troonery.

Oh and this is also why troonery has been able to have its moment while trans-racialism probably won't be a thing. Whites have been programmed to be very tolerant and never to speak out against bullshit which is why all these white liberal women have been willing to put up with troons for so long. But this is not the case with niggers and if anything it's the opposite, they expect to be catered to like small children, and accordingly they would chimp out and destroy any serious attempt at "trans-racialism" in 2 seconds flat.

 

[SnergenFlergen]

I think some consideration needs to be given to the people who aren't trans, but enable them via their pro-trans activism/opinions.

Some people genuinely seem to think that the trans rights movement is just a shot-for-shot HD remake of the gay rights movement, without giving any consideration to the fact that gay people and trans people aren't the same thing at all. They saw the historic pushback against gay rights and think this is just the same thing all over again, so they throw their whole weight behind the pro-trans movement to avoid being 'on the wrong side of history' (something they seem fear above all else.)
Obviously it'll be the people who stand up for women wanting their own spaces and children not wanting to have their puberty artificially delayed and their tits/cocks chopped off that'll be looked upon more favourably by historians, but these people are completely blind to that. Their logic is "oppressed minority = in the right", no matter what they do/say/are.

tl;dr The widespread support for the pro-trans movement is partly a result of the pushback against gay rights, because people think this is the exact same situation again and want to be seen by historians as the good guys this time (regardless of the many other factors at play) and their support feeds into this social contagion.

 

[gang weeder]

Some people genuinely seem to think that the trans rights movement is just a shot-for-shot HD remake of the gay rights movement, without giving any consideration to the fact that gay people and trans people aren't the same thing at all. They saw the historic pushback against gay rights and think this is just the same thing all over again, so they throw their whole weight behind the pro-trans movement to avoid being 'on the wrong side of history' (something they seem fear above all else.)

They aren't the same but they have some fundamental features in common which make it sensible to treat them as variations on the same basic thing:

--Glorified sexual deviancy turned into a pseudo-religious identity
--Hatred of and desire to destroy moral norms esp. around sex
--Victim narrative of being oppressed by evil Christcucks/conservatards
--Justifying fetish fixation by reference to "if it's consenting adults, who cares?" lolbert style logic

In these ways it makes perfect sense to see trannies as Gays 2.0. They have this basic shape in common only dialed up to 11. And do in fact tend to draw from the same types of people. I think it's pretty undeniable that there is tons of overlap between gay men and trannies (i.e. Dylan Mulvaney who if you look at videos of him in the past before trans really took off, he was just a stereotypical faggot). I also think their cultural elevation is coming from the same basic place as outlined in my previous post.

It's sort of like normal conservative Christians versus Westboro Baptist Church. There are important differences between them in some senses, but from the perspective of a secular person who is just hostile to religion in general, it makes sense to group them together.

Oh and I forgot another thing trannies and fags have in common, tendency towards pedophilia. So there's that. I tend to agree with the perspective that as people stray farther into sexual degeneracy it sort of all runs together, i.e. someone who is already getting off on a couple fetishes is much more likely to be open to exploring others.

Obviously it'll be the people who stand up for women wanting their own spaces and children not wanting to have their puberty artificially delayed and their tits/cocks chopped off that'll be looked upon more favourably by historians, but these people are completely blind to that. Their logic is "oppressed minority = in the right", no matter what they do/say/are.

tl;dr The widespread support for the pro-trans movement is partly a result of the pushback against gay rights, because people think this is the exact same situation again and want to be seen by historians as the good guys this time (regardless of the many other factors at play) and their support feeds into this social contagion.

I don't really think this is true. People by and large don't build their self-identities around movements and ideologies that they know are wrong (i.e. that they genuinely think will be recognized as evil in the future). That's the purview of sociopaths, which yes a few of those do exist, but normal people don't work that way. Most of the people who say "trans rights" aren't taking some kind of esoteric "what will historians think about this" mindset, they just actually believe in tranny bullshit.

 

[Balalaika Z Bree]

Normalization of homosexuality. If you wanted to be special it used to be enough just to be gay. Now being gay isn't special so we've slippery sloped down into something else. Once trannies are fully normalized then attention seekers will do something even more retarded. Can't wait to find out what it is.

I agree, but it's broader than this. It's the fruit of relativism, normalization of disorder and sin. If there is no real truth, and we can focus on pseudoscience and the cult of woke with it's infinite personal gods in our image then everything from killing the vulnerable (unborn, elderly, disabled) and turning confused children into lifelong cash cows for drug companies (by mutilation and poisoning) becomes justifiable.

The only way gay rights made it through was by presenting homosexuality as just as mundane as heterosexuality. Who cares what two consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own bedroom? I sure fucking don't.

But it was too successful. So the charities had to change focus, because they were too lazy to try to win the same rights for gays in other, more dangerous, parts of the world. They had a sweet money-maker going in safe western countries and didn't want to give that up. So they found a new group: all the degenerates who aren't happy keeping it in the bedroom and have to involve the rest of us in their disgusting fetishes. That opened the door for the straights to get involved too (transbians and gaydens).

I'll add this: "no kink shaming" was a mistake. Don't want your kink shamed? Keep it private. But if you put it out there for all to see, you should expect to be laughed at and ridiculed. But because of "no kink shaming" we're now the bad guys for pointing out the obvious degeneracy on display.

You're right, at least that it became more obvious a grift. I think demanding "gay rights" were always suspect since they seek to put disorder on the same level as order.
I think the slippery slope reality was denied by branding the truth as a fallacy. Sin leads to worse sin, the "progression" from each to the next is no accident. It's the tightening of the shackles of enslavement to worse and worse sin.

Unfortunately, I see trannydom as a new (counterfeit) religion and higher power, especially for young people who have never been religious and don't even seem to realize they are acting "devout"

Or as some would say around here: TIME FOR A MAJOR REVIVAL
(honestly dunno if that would work or not)

I think this is the heart of the madness. It is a cult, marketed like Scientology, under the guise of healthcare or science. May God have mercy on us.

This post is worth a look

There are plenty of reasons that everyone has already given, but if I have to pick one, it boils down to this. The root-level consistent unifying thread of all wokeshit is flipping the bird at traditional Western values/social norms/morals/etc. There's no other factor I can think of that makes sense for all of the different leftie perspectives together, but this one does. It explains why hardcore Islamists are on the same team with trannies in the West, they have a common enemy.

This conflict stems from the modern secular state and its power struggle with older, more traditional institutions, most significantly the church, the family, and the idea of a local community. The more that the state can grind down and break up those institutions, the more that it can fill in the gaps created to suck up more power, clout and money for itself. So long term anything and everything that can be deployed to that purpose gets the state's official seal of approval, from "Civil Rights" all the way forward today to trannies.

Amen. Enlightenment values, Secularism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it, has spread like cancer throughout the elites worldwide. It opened the way for absolute power to rulers, who no longer had to subject themselves to God (many had been only paying lip service anyway, elevating themselves to the place of gods in their hearts).
In effect, they serve the devil in attacking the family and the Church, because they lack any power to attack God directly.

I think some consideration needs to be given to the people who aren't trans, but enable them via their pro-trans activism/opinions.

You said it. They are the bulk of those pushing this evil.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

For those who have not done so, I cannot recommend Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage enough, although it does focus on how young adolescent women/girls are succumbing to this and ignoring how males are being preyed upon.

She persuasively argues that is a conflluence of causal factors that have created a dangerous social contagion. It is being pushed in schools and by educators, as well as certain nefarious elements online, particularly tiktok.

This article by Leor Sapir is also very enlightening:

https://www.city-journal.org/the-assault-on-childrens-psyches

He argues that the progressive stack weighs very heavily in the average mind of the young zoomer, and that whites are so demonized that identifying as trans or some other element on LGBTQ Yuck is some sort of get of jail card.

Incidentally, I am looking for the video of Shrier's appearance on Rogan. The audio is available but I would like the video. If somone has it or knows where to get it, please let me know.

 

[Safir]

Twitter midbrains would try answering the question with "people respond to incentives". This, however, gives rise to two more questions:
- who provides the incentives, what's their motivation
- what made people consider "not being a gross degenerate" negotiable

The religious aspect is wrong or tautologically right or wrong again, depending on how you define religion.
Traditional Religion has the USSR and USSR-adjacent countries as counterexamples; clearly the decline of it doesn't have to cause troonism.
Now, USSR Communism was/is a religion in the anthropological sense of the word; but then troonism itself is a religion, too.
"Anti-troon religions help hold back troonism" is true but completely uninformative.

One reason that overshadows most (but not all) is the coom.
- Homosexuality is an aspect of the coom.
- Psychology originates from Freudism and exists to legitimize the coom.
- Porn is coom.
- The internet is a vehicle for coom.
- Anime as a Western hobby is a vehicle for coom.

"Normalization of homosexuality."
There are plenty of reasons that everyone has already given, but if I have to pick one, it boils down to this.

Too West-centric. Everyone knows about Iran, but apparently Uganda, where homosexual activity is now largely criminalized, allows legal sex changes. I wonder how common this is.

The acceptance of homosexuality led to troonism not because people needed a way to be edgier but because the degeneracy religious organizations needed a new domestic cause.
But how have these organizations got into power? How have they got the right to demand tithes? Openly funding degeneracy should've been financially ruinous. When did homosexuality shift from low-status to high-status?
The sad fact is it's always been high-status, practiced by nobles and later increasingly powerful entertainers -- you'd need a revolution to uproot this shit.
With the arrival of mass media, entertainers got to preach to the masses. Why were the masses receptive? The coom.

The other big two in the West is "Capitalist" social security (in contrast to Communist social security, which comes packaged with forced labor and morality police) and the implosion of the extended family, which removed the incentive to be moral. To be charitable to my Capitalist comrades, I'll put the blame on the nose instead, but you can easily make the case for Uncle Ted being 100% correct.

And then there's the victimhood cult, for which I blame post-WW2 Yurop and the nose (again). "muh human rights" became the ideology of the anti-Communist coalition. The demonization of strength (and men, and competent women) is downstream from this. Psychology, having been tasked with providing degenerates with an excuse (and produced memes like the Milgram experiment and the Stanford prison experiment), also got a boost.

 

[Aunt Carol]

For those who have not done so, I cannot recommend Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage enough, although it does focus on how young adolescent women/girls are succumbing to this and ignoring how males are being preyed upon.

Pardon the emphasis. This is a good point, though: there are so many ways for a person to end up under the "trans umbrella," and one way that discussion gets sidetracked by always making that be the first argument.

It's like when someone starts talking about "the homeless problem." Discussion immediately gets bogged down, even if everyone is participating in good faith, because there's no one "homeless problem." You have old alcoholics who would use some of their VA payments for a SRO if it didn't cut too much into the booze budget, tweakers who are operating at an animal level+catalytic converters, mentally ill people who are legally incompetent but having their Right to sleep rough respected, invisible employed couch-surfers, etc. etc. No one solution will fit, and someone brings up their plan to help one segment (without defining terms) and it's immediately shot down by someone who says that a different segment of the homeless won't be helped by that.

Irreversible Damage is the book for someone worried about their female tweens, but it isn't going to address leather-skinned 60-year-old AGPs who've realized that they can be a sissy in public now and nobody can say boo. Anything addressing all roads to troonery is going to be 500 pages plus, and daunting to Jane Q Public who is just worried about her daughter or the changing room at the Y.

Someone should make a rainbow infographic with the individual roads to the pit of transgenderism, and the introductory book/video that addresses each one.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

@Aunt Carol as far as the MtF phenomenon so far Matt Walsh has offered the best commentary but it is piece meal and for lack of a better term myopic... I'm trying to keep a list of his best segments but it is hard. Maybe he will write a book.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Too West-centric. Everyone knows about Iran, but apparently Uganda, where homosexual activity is now largely criminalized, allows legal sex changes. I wonder how common this is.

There's a solar system's worth of distance between anti-alphabet nations and pro-alphabet nations; and the troonism which they experience.

Homosexual advocacy gave way to troon nonsense in the west. Where in Iran and other nations, anti-homosexual advocacy gave way to troon nonsense. Troonism in Iran, Uganda, other nations, is a product of politicians trying to find a solution to the problem of homosexuality without finding an actual solution. Its based on an attempt to be compassionate while still stamping out obvious deviancy. Note the only alternative for a man or woman convicted of being gay in Iran is death. Hardly similar to the United States or United Kingdom, where being gay isn't a crime and mere desire to be the opposite sex is all that is required to be a troon. I doubt children are being trooned out in Iran for merely claiming to be the opposite sex.

Whether the LGB wants to admit it or not. The TQ is and always has been a part of their movement. Otherwise there would not have been trans exclusionary radical feminists fighting against transgenderism back in the 70s. The claims that someone has only ever been attracted to the same sex and they feel like a member of the opposite sex are only different in the level of nonsense one must swallow to accept them. Hence why only now has trans acceptance and advocacy gained any traction. It was necessary to first pass the steps of general gay acceptance to get to where we are now.

 

[SnergenFlergen]

I don't really think this is true. People by and large don't build their self-identities around movements and ideologies that they know are wrong

I never said these people know it's wrong, quite the contrary. They've bought into it partly because they've looked at historical events and transposed them onto current ones, thinking it's the exact same situation again. They now see who's considered to be in the right and wrong by the mainstream on those issues through a contemporary lens and want to align themselves with the side that is now considered to be virtuous (i.e. they're sexual deviants that say they're oppressed, therefore they're in the right and should be supported because the last time this happened, those who opposed it are now called bigots by the MSM).

These people bring up 'being on the right side of history' so frequently that it's obviously at least a factor in their thinking.

 

[GenderCop]

Hence why only now has trans acceptance and advocacy gained any traction. It was necessary to first pass the steps of general gay acceptance to get to where we are now.

there is NO gay acceptance in most Muslim countries, but apparently they have no problem doing the chop-surgeries and prefer doing that to men being gay, is what the terfs say.

when the terfs say this, it really freaks out the trannies, which to me means its prob true.

also, lots of trannies now fetishize hijab, etc but none want to actually live there, again tells me its prob true.

This article by Leor Sapir is also very enlightening:

https://www.city-journal.org/the-assault-on-childrens-psyches

Interesting and enlightening.
Does anybody remember Sarah Jeong, the Korean-American Harvard grad who got the coveted New York Times tech coverage-gig in 2018? Turned out she had called white ppl "groveling goblins" and much more? There were pages and pages of vicious racist invective in the info-dumps I've read, hundreds of tweets like that, not just the few tweets in that CNN piece.
(she kept the job of course, you didn't think they'd fire her for that, did you?)

During the ensuing brawl, twitter rained down endless of photos of her with the white men she dated. In fact, it appeared that was ALL she dated. (one black woman tweeted "whites are goblins till you need an expensive latte!" which i never forgot)

That was the first ultrafeminine woman with no apparent "LGBT bent" whatsoever, that I saw call herself "queer"..
she was very typically feminine, even got teary like a teenage girl when she gave Harvard presentation about how white men had fucked everything up. (now yanked from Youtube, but it was lolcow worthy) She was editor of Harvard Journal of Law and Gender which is where she prob learned to call herself "queer" .

 

[murph]

Coombrain.

 

[gang weeder]

I never said these people know it's wrong, quite the contrary. They've bought into it partly because they've looked at historical events and transposed them onto current ones, thinking it's the exact same situation again. They now see who's considered to be in the right and wrong by the mainstream on those issues through a contemporary lens and want to align themselves with the side that is now considered to be virtuous (i.e. they're sexual deviants that say they're oppressed, therefore they're in the right and should be supported because the last time this happened, those who opposed it are now called bigots by the MSM).

These people bring up 'being on the right side of history' so frequently that it's obviously at least a factor in their thinking.

Yeah, I don't think people who opposed gay marriage are all of a sudden huge tranny lovers now. Or if they are, it's as part of a broader right to left shift that they made, not something that is specific to fags/troons. By and large the same people most likely to oppose fag marriage in 2010 are the same people most likely to oppose troons in 2023. Although the umbrella of opposing troons is definitely a bit broader because well troons are just so much more extreme and retarded.

But I think that if you want to talk about muh right side of history, history isn't going to look back favorably on tolerance of faggots either. Gay marriage was legalized what, ten years ago? That's a blink of an eye in historical terms and we can already see some indications that the worm is starting to turn.

 

[Fuck You Pay Me]

Transgenderism is caused by three things. 1. Media 2. Media 3. Media

 

[Am I Very Wrong]

The premise is this:

We've always thought that you can either be a male or a female, based on your sex. it's self apparent, no one ever gave it a second thought because it works,

Then came in the gender model:

Gender, which "is often defined as a social construct of norms, behaviors and roles that varies between societies and over time. Gender is often categorized as male, female or nonbinary".

So to put it bluntly gender is a stereotype, an expectation.

Then we have gender identity, which is what gender someone identifies and this is where the cognitive dissonance starts for me.

With genders being stereotypes or completely made up, the result is that there is an infinite amount of genders and that everyone has their idea of even what the "original two" are like, making it impossible to have common grounds and understand each other (which essentially makes them completely pointless).

It doesn't help that they also inevitably change due to them being 1 based on stereotypes and 2 personally defined.


As far as i'm concerned i don't "identify" as a man; i know i'm a man because it's a proven fact, because of my anatomy. This is what people do, they simply are men and women.
To them being a man or a woman is trying their hardest to imitate their social behaviour, which is inevitably dictated by their sex; in other words it's all an act, chasing a stereotype that will inevitably clash against their nature and on how they truly perceive themselves.

So every single tranny (regardless of whether it's binary, nonbinary, hdmi or whatever) is ultimately just someone who decided to roleplay as a stereotype while forcing other people to label him as such. That is all "identifying as a gender" is.


Having followed the full development of a non binary, i can 100% agree that it was all social media. Of course you also need to be predisposed; hating your parents, your body, being autistic, having no friends, being gullible, etc,

These people also often follow extremely similiar roadmaps. Scarily similiar at times.

As for the classic mtf troons, autogynephilia or just being a plain faggot are good enough explanations. after all the gay lisp (which even non troons can have) is just mimicking the speech of a woman

TLDR: being trans is just choosing to follow a stereotype and forcing others to view you as the idea of that stereotype that you have in mind.
The reasons why people roleplay as trans are social inadequacy, mental illnesses, media brainwashing and sexual deviance. Plenty of stuff worth celebrating!

edit: and i completely forgot "sex reassignment".
i think mental illnesses covers it up though

 

[din365]

First off, the founding of "gender identity":

John Money - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was created by some kiddy diddler academic by the name of john money.
Second thing: Gender dysphoria used to be an actual mental illness that was treated with medication and therapy in Adolescents and adults, but now gets treated by being a tranny. Now these sick bastards are starting to condition and groom kids into being "trans". Kids are impressionable and you could easily convince them they are trans with little-to-no effort, and certainly manipulate a teenager who is simply gay or bi into being trans, so I don't know why these troon activists are pushing hard to get at the kids, unless their whole point is to condition and groom kids into being trans.
This is something hat has caused backlash from the gay community. They didn't fight for gay rights so some mentally-ill faggasaurus can manipulate timmy into cutting his dick off and call himself tamara.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The internet, plain and simple.

Transgenderism and gay frogs are caused by over-exposure to screen time and the internet. It warps the brain and does more damage than Cigarettes, Alcohol or fast food.

There's evidence that help proves that; The addiction rate of smoking, alcohol and some drugs is more or less in-line with the % of terminally online people who trans.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Then came in the gender model:

One thing to note with the gender model, is that the academics pushed "gender and sex are different," which, yeah, if you accept the concept of gender, I guess.

As that percolated into the lay public, "gender" became a euphemism for "sex." Nobody is having "gender reveal" parties because they know how their unborn baby will "identify." They're having gender reveal parties because "sex reveal" sounds gross. This is the same way that "gender" got swapped for "sex" on intake forms, unless they're woke or specific enough to have both.

So the average person was using "gender" as a euphemism, not a (social-)scientific term, but unfortunately it also got written into laws and policies that way.

The gender activists are the same kind of people who will bitch you out about being a linguistic prescriptivist, but they're happy to run with this one.



(I've said this elsewhere)

 

[regginknurd]

Gay porn.

Wish to correct this with just: "Porn."

 

[Walking Abortion]

as someone who lived and worked in a city with a huge young troon population and as such has interacted with many throughout the past 2.5 years, it's either mental illness or a fetish or both.

most are girls in their early adulthood with unresolved psychological trauma and untreated mental illness. there's also high rates of autism and adhd. they lack a sense of identity, and remedy that with countless '-sexual'/'-gender' labels. it's like social contagion; once one woman in a cohort comes out as FTM or non-binary, the rest follow like lemmings. the vast majority take on the 'non-binary' or 'genderfluid' labels, and most grow out of it within a couple years and revert to being a cis woman. i've only ever known one FTM with the balls to take hormones. none of them pass as anything other than women, and most don't even bother to change their appearance beyond restyling their hair.

the male troons i know are either sex pests, effeminate gays, or both. of the two 'non-binary' males i've known, one uses his gender identity to guilt-trip women into abusive, sexually harassing relationships. the other is an effeminate, exhibitionist gay who gets a stiffy from dressing in skirts and fishnets. the MTFs are all effeminate, flamboyant gays who are so uncomfortable with their own faggotry that they'd rather masquerade as a woman to create some semblance of normality (even though trooning out has the opposite effect). none actually pass as anything other than men playing fancy dress, despite taking hormones.

i think a lot of it has its root in modern feminism / the quest to destroy gender roles. nowadays, we seem to be teaching children that if they do not fit the victorian stereotype of what a woman/man should be, then they're not a woman/man.