Culture What is really going on with Gen Alpha boys?

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By Halima Jibril

At the start of the year, the Financial Times reported that a new gender divide is emerging worldwide. While there has been consistent debate over whether Gen Z is the most progressive generation in history or the most conservative, there was a point in the latter part of the 2010s when many believed that the world needed to change and that Gen Z as a whole would be the ones to make it better. But this new research tells a less idealistic story.

Through an analysis of General Social Surveys and Election Studies in Korea, Germany, the US and the UK, data journalist John Burn-Murdoch found that in the UK, Gen Z women are 25 percentage points more liberal than Gen Z men. In Germany and the US, Gen Z women are 30 percentage points more liberal than the men in their generation. The voting patterns of young men around the world also highlight their more conservative leanings: In the Polish elections last year, almost half of the men aged 18 to 21 voted for the far-right Confederation party, and in South Korea, young men largely voted for the right-wing People Power party in 2022.

Many believe this divide is the result of backlash towards feminist movements such as #MeToo and the fact that popular feminism, while still challenged, was able to enter mainstream discourse successfully. Even though backlash towards feminist progression is normal, as Susan Faludi wrote in her 1991 text Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, acknowledging its normalcy should not make us complacent. These statistics are worrying, as those with conservative ideals are more likely to display violent anti-women, anti-immigration and racist attitudes openly, and there is a possibility that the divide will grow further.

As soon as I heard this news, I immediately thought about Gen Alpha boys (born between 2010 and 2025) and Gen Z’s youngest members (often lumped in with Gen Alpha). A generation already described as illiterate, lazy, rude and ignorant, not just by the usual suspects (Gen X and Baby Boomers) but also by older members of Gen Z, who not too long ago suffered the same critiques from older generations. While there is an unnecessary moral panic surrounding Gen Alpha, worries about how they understand their gender, the gender of others and gender roles are rightful causes for concern. Just this week, the leader of the UK’s largest education union called for an independent inquiry into the rise of sexism and misogyny among boys and young men, describing it as “a huge issue” in schools. With the prevalence of misogynistic male influencers on social media, many believe that Gen Alpha boys are “not going to be OK” and are already “doomed.”

But are they really doomed? Or is what’s going on with Gen Alpha boys more complex than the pessimistic picture being painted?

My son is 10, and when I asked him if he knew who Andrew Tate was he said although the had never watched him, he heard some of his classmates talking about him a few times. That day I had to have a 1 hour conversation with him about how dangerous that man is.

— Mauvaise Pute 🧚🏾‍♀️ (@jenny_gxo) June 20, 2023

“I believe an element of this is unprecedented,” explains John*, a 23-year-old working at an educational charity. “[One of my] colleagues’ parents has been a teacher for decades and says she sees more misogyny and homophobia in schools now than ever before. There are waves of online content reaching young men, and nobody, including us, knows exactly what to do.” Andrew Tate, who is now facing extradition to the UK over rape and human trafficking claims, is still one of the main misogynistic influencers that John hears young boys speak about. “They regurgitate ideas and phrases of his. These sometimes are shown through their idea of what a man should be, involving being a ‘Top G,’ ‘providing for your family.’ They make fun of women and their appearance regularly. People who counter their ideas, especially women, are seen as dangerous and liars.”

One of the reasons young men find themselves so attracted to Tate, as John highlights, is because he teaches them how to exist in the world. In her book Collapse Feminism, writer and video essayist Alice Cappelle argues that while some young men do go out of their way to look for misogynistic content online, others are simply looking for self-improvement tips. Since influencers like Tate and Jordan Peterson brand themselves as “self-help” gurus, selling courses on how to be a ‘Top G’, attract the right kind of women and achieve financial freedom,
impressionable boys and young men believe they’ve discovered the secret to performing their gender “correctly” and succeeding in life.

“Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind” – Issa

It’s easy to put sole blame on individuals like Tate (or even on pornography, as the teachers’ union leaders are doing) for the rise in misogyny among young men, but we already live in an incredibly gendered society. Even when we don’t think we’re pushing a gendered ideology, most of the time, we are, and young people internalise that way of thinking very quickly. For example, in her book, The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks highlights how mothers can be some of the biggest perpetrators of patriarchy. “The single mom who insists that her boy child, ‘be a man’ is not anti-patriarchal; she is enforcing patriarchal will,” she writes. 23-year-old history teacher Lauren, who has been a victim of misogynistic catcalling at her school, similarly agrees with hooks’ sentiments. “I think many issues within school, including children’s perception of gender, come from the parents at home. So regardless of what we can do in school, I don’t think this has a great impact unless we educate their parents, which is extremely hard to do.”

28-year-old Issa*, an English teacher in an inner city secondary school, believes our focus should not be on individuals like Tate because teenagers are incredibly fickle. “Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind.” This is where charities like Beyond Equality come into play. Founded in 2016, they facilitate workshops in schools, universities, workplaces, sports teams, and other community groups, focusing on boys and men. They explore topics such as physical and mental well-being, gender-based violence, and healthy relationships. “We help them understand their position in the patriarchy and support them in contributing to a more gender-equitable world,” Tomara Garrod, volunteer and community manager of Beyond Equality, tells Dazed.

“Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected” – Tomara Garrod

Beyond Equality believes that one of the best ways to support boys who find themselves drawn to misogynistic content is by speaking with them honestly. “To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,” explains Garrod. “Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected. Many engage far more critically with the content they consume than we might assume. What they need is a space to engage and encourage this critical thinking, one rooted in curiosity, compassion, and justice.”

The work done by organisations like Beyond Equality is much more impactful than just placing “positive” male influencers in schools, as Labour proposed in February. While the idea is nice on paper, as Cappelle argues in Collapse Feminism, “the goal should not be to switch one type of masculinity (toxic) to another type of masculinity (healthy/positive), but rather to reject the idea that the formation of one’s identity, meaning one’s value system and tastes, can only mediate through a fixed gender expression.” In other words: “it is time to imagine the formation of a man’s identity outside of the constraints of masculinity and outside of the constraints of a fixed definition.”

It takes all of us, not just teachers and those who work in charities, to dismantle and challenge patriarchal culture, and we must do it together if we do not want the ideological gender divide to deepen.
 
I believe it is men who have had the problem of defining a woman given it seems all the troons are trying to become women.

And as for feminism your inability to define it only reveals ignorance so how do you complain about something you can’t even define?. The idea feminism alone changed an ENtIRE generation of women is also absurd.

Some men see getting a woman as a challenge and worthy of the pursuit; whereas these young men treat it as an expected asset along with their PlayStation and car.

Men chase things. It’s the pursuit; and now they whine even about that. How pathetic.
Yes those vicious entitled misogynist... 10 year olds all think they are entitled to pussy!

Quote three of the mis-definitions of feminism mentioned in this thread. You originally claimed they 'abound at every corner' so it should be simple for you.
 
The problem with telling young men that they're problematic and have to meet some bullshit imposed social standards suddenly is that they have access to the internet and can figure out that things weren't always so gay and retarded. The metoo movement really got a lot of noggins scratching because instead of stopping at actual sex pests getting outed it kicked off this global mentality that women are somehow elevated in status now while men are somehow lower.

Why would anyone go for that shit? Why would anyone want to live in clownworld where you have people landing high paying government appointments simply because they met an ID requirement? Why would these kids want to grow up in a dating environment where high body counts are common and it's considered "misogynistic" to ask someone to stop selling on OF before dating? Why would these kids want to live in a world where they're expected to treat trannies like True and Honest valid social icons? Why would they want to live in a world where if they're white they can expect people who do less for society to receive more from society than they do based on skin color? They can clearly see with their own eyes that only a few short years ago the world was more normal, people were happier, and getting along with the opposite sex was easier.
 
I’m not sure why they are trying to push for a men vs. women war. Men are fundamentally bigger, stronger, and smarter than women. The women will lose no matter what. There’s no way around this. Hopefully it doesn’t actually come to it, but when men get pushed far enough they turn into this very quickly:
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You don't even have to go that far. Be Sigma Male Petruchio and starve a bitch for acting like a Bridezilla.
 
there was a point in the latter part of the 2010s when many believed that the world needed to change and that Gen Z as a whole would be the ones to make it better.

By "make it better," they meant, "make it even gayer, more de-industrialized, and stunk up with bum piss."

Either strip the misandrist elements of feminism

This is impossible. If men and women are equal, then observed differences must be defects in either one sex or the other to be corrected with proper social conditioning. That's why, currently, feminism identifies male competitiveness and female maternal instincts as harmful defects. The only way to accept differences as healthy is to deny we're the same, but then you've rejected the founding premise of feminism.
 
Honestly reading this thread has confirmed my belief that men are better at feminism than women. It's literally packed with useful advice for any woman, while the only woman screeches about her pussy and how hard it is to find a good gang bang.

It's because men actually value women and find them to be useful. Women hate women and want them to suffer and die. In fact, women view other women as rivals.

Who sounds like the better Feminist?
 
Feminism was a gambit partly supported by men who were too weak to fight and compete with aggressive males. Create a society that undermines the "toxic" males, and when Chad Thundercock is finally driven away, swoop in and collect your pussy! Only the soyboys didn't realize that the feminists wanted Chad Thundercock all along and are pissed that he's gone.

For all of the talk about the threat of young men turning feral, violence has pretty much become outdated as a way of instituting long term change. Has any Blue State Shithole City really ever changed because its black population burned it down? Has a right wing political movement ever chosen violence without the Institutions and media crushing it like a bug? Can a lone wolf terrorist act without a panopticon of cameras and electronic signals recording his every move and creating a narrative that will make him an object of contempt by the public? No. Maybe someday, diversity hires will turn the crumbling infrastructure of every major city into a pile of rubble thanks to their incompetence, and the RWDS will finally spring into action, but as long as things remain functional, young men aren't going to do anything but kill themselves in larger numbers, shit, and do nothing.
 
According to my krn friends the feminist death cult shadow government went full cultural night of the long knives. Think nigger male on white woman enforced on tv but in every nook and cranny of culture and enforced by ritual vivisection.
As someone who has watches kdrama, that sounds literally nothing like kdrama. It's all asians.
 
This article features exactly one man, a guy named John whose role is to explain what a woman he knows told him. Otherwise the only men involved are villains - Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson, and Peterson only to lump him in with Tate as a toxic male teaching boys "how to be a ‘Top G’".

And yet despite the fact that these two guys exist almost entirely on the internet, these dumb bitches all still think they have to smash the fucking patriarchy. Every single day these turbocunts grind every single boy and man they meet into the dirt to get back at their fathers for the crime of handing them the power they now wield, and they are too fucking insipid to see it.

They are incapable of understanding that even if you put women in charge of fucking everything, they're still no match for some guy acting like a cartoon on YouTube, because little boys need authentic male role models - and they can sense instinctively that absolutely nothing our current masters do is ever authentic. So the beatings will continue until morale improves.

This is the outcome of feminist single mothers. This and trannies.

scapegoat.
before tate it was jordan peterson, before that it was incels, before that it was PUAs. you can go back over the years and find lots of similar articles about all of these, complaining about how they are the source of a new wave of woman hate...

but really, the reason why any of these achieved any popularity isn't because they are geniuses who have groundbreaking new ideas. no, it's simply because what they say lines up with what boys experience in real life. they are successful because they are telling the truth where almost everybody else is telling lies.

Yep, being told 24/7 that you're defective or that you're bound it be an uncontrollable rapist who better not DARE call a girl pretty will eventually lead to boys latching onto ANYONE who validates their perfectly normal impulses.

Remember, James Bond is well loved by the young male and older male demographic because he 1. Gets the girl (or girls) 2. Wins in the fight vs the henchmen and villain and 3. Rolls around in a cool car and, as far as we're shown, is valued by his employer and even his country for the work he does.

Meanwhile in 2024 every single James Bond book and movie is under the man hating harridan microscope because he's "problematic"

I don't know if it's a woman thing or a middle-class thing, but there is a distinct subset of people that lack power but soothe themselves on being society's hall monitors.

They love rules. They want to marry the rules. And their rules should govern all human contact and behavior. And because they know the rules and love the rules, they hold the high ground and feel like they can scold anyone that won't fight back into submission.

Thus...what's wrong with boys. The Hall Monitors of the world are currently treating boys like defective girls because girl behavior is superior, you see, so boys need to be more like them. And if boys don't particularly like that, they'll go find someone that tells them it's okay to be male. Even if that "okayness" comes with toxic masculinity; at least someone is on the side of boys.

Goddamn right
 
Why would anyone go for that shit? Why would anyone want to live in clownworld where you have people landing high paying government appointments simply because they met an ID requirement? Why would these kids want to grow up in a dating environment where high body counts are common and it's considered "misogynistic" to ask someone to stop selling on OF before dating? Why would these kids want to live in a world where they're expected to treat trannies like True and Honest valid social icons?
Yep

I was trying to get with a girl about 14 months ago and while it didn't work out I learned so much....

She had been with DOZENS of guys (I think she said she was 100% sure it was 34, maybe 37 if you count fellatio as sex)

Anyway, when I told her that most men would NEVER hit that number in there entire lives, she was shocked. She literally couldn't comprehend that men have to work for sex as she was basically giving it away to dozens of randos off apps for a while when she was between abusive boyfriends.

Young men are getting hit with the "ohh You're such a good guy " and "I'm just not attracted to YOU" lines while the girls saying them get ran through by double digit numbers of men before they're 25.

No wonder they're pissed because they were all taught the same BS by women and all acted the "right way" and get rewarded by being used as wallets and doormats.

When someone like Tate rolls up and offers a "solution" they'll come running
 
Young men aren't really becoming right-wing, they're just turning into bitter loser shut-ins, and political groups, right-wing ones included, pander to those losers and tell them they're based and above the crowd for not having a girlfriend and being unemployed, and if it is an issue, it's an issue with society and not them. Articles like these are just ragebait for said losers to seethe at.
 
This thread is great. In 2 mere pages the mis-definitions of what feminism is abound at every corner.

Notably written by the imbeciles this article relates to - stupid young men.

If this this thread was about on-line gaming there wouldn’t be an mis-definition anywhere.
A feminist is a person who thinks women should have equal rights to men. Literally.
 
In Germany and the US, Gen Z women are 30 percentage points more liberal than the men in their generation
That is an astonishing gap. How come the question is ‘why boys wrong?’ Rather than ‘why gap?’ Or even ‘why girls wrong?’ It’s assuming the men are wrong with no evidence.
Is Tate really that popular or is he just the only scapegote the left has when it comes to this kind of shit?
My kids think he’s a retard. He looks like a thumb with eyes, there’s something developmentally wrong with him and he’s basically a pikey chav running cam girls. I don’t see any of my kids friends into him at all. I think he’s heavily pushed by the media but from what I’ve seen people laugh at him. Peterson is a cow too but does at least have eloquence and many sensible points
don't know if it's a woman thing or a middle-class thing, but there is a distinct subset of people that lack power but soothe themselves on being society's hall monitors.
I don’t think this is exclusive to women. It’s the petty commissar syndrome. They lack power but they gain it by proxy by being the fondest of the good guys and reporting their neighbours to the Stasi, or Facebook, or the Covid trackers. Quote from Aldous Huxley:
The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.
The bulk of society doesn’t have what it takes to either lead it or truly dissent from what’s imposed. They gain power (and we all want power in whatever way) by acting as enforcers of social consensus.
 
I believe it is men who have had the problem of defining a woman given it seems all the troons are trying to become women.

And as for feminism your inability to define it only reveals ignorance so how do you complain about something you can’t even define?. The idea feminism alone changed an ENtIRE generation of women is also absurd.

Some men see getting a woman as a challenge and worthy of the pursuit; whereas these young men treat it as an expected asset along with their PlayStation and car.

Men chase things. It’s the pursuit; and now they whine even about that. How pathetic.
I'm a male. A woman is an adult human female.

Troons aren't men, nor are they women.
 
28 years old and teacher? Damn I wish I had that kinda luck. Too bad only overeducated people either stupidly high above or just a few years below my age bracket get any well paying jobs or actual college shit. Feels bad man but it also makes me wonder if the gen alpha guys are gonna end up fucked in a similar manner to people that recently started hitting their 30s now or if they're gonna keep moving in lockstep with the fear/hate mongering shit masking as progress that's been shoved down everyones throats the last 10 years by the establishment.

Then again I'm also white dude so uh- er I mean a ARACIAL GREY PERSON so maybe that's why i got fucked.

Troons aren't men, nor are they women.
They're Enuchs, only without the security job.

The promised liberal utopia is coming. When the Gen Alpha boys reach the age of majority, they will look like this. Don't call it a grave. Call it the future the Liberals chose. For themselves, and for you. Because you didn't stop them, did you.

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If anything they'll be wearing toilets on their necks and be singing "skibidi bop dop dop yes yes~!" instead of "Singing in the rape"
 
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