Culture What is really going on with Gen Alpha boys?

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By Halima Jibril

At the start of the year, the Financial Times reported that a new gender divide is emerging worldwide. While there has been consistent debate over whether Gen Z is the most progressive generation in history or the most conservative, there was a point in the latter part of the 2010s when many believed that the world needed to change and that Gen Z as a whole would be the ones to make it better. But this new research tells a less idealistic story.

Through an analysis of General Social Surveys and Election Studies in Korea, Germany, the US and the UK, data journalist John Burn-Murdoch found that in the UK, Gen Z women are 25 percentage points more liberal than Gen Z men. In Germany and the US, Gen Z women are 30 percentage points more liberal than the men in their generation. The voting patterns of young men around the world also highlight their more conservative leanings: In the Polish elections last year, almost half of the men aged 18 to 21 voted for the far-right Confederation party, and in South Korea, young men largely voted for the right-wing People Power party in 2022.

Many believe this divide is the result of backlash towards feminist movements such as #MeToo and the fact that popular feminism, while still challenged, was able to enter mainstream discourse successfully. Even though backlash towards feminist progression is normal, as Susan Faludi wrote in her 1991 text Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, acknowledging its normalcy should not make us complacent. These statistics are worrying, as those with conservative ideals are more likely to display violent anti-women, anti-immigration and racist attitudes openly, and there is a possibility that the divide will grow further.

As soon as I heard this news, I immediately thought about Gen Alpha boys (born between 2010 and 2025) and Gen Z’s youngest members (often lumped in with Gen Alpha). A generation already described as illiterate, lazy, rude and ignorant, not just by the usual suspects (Gen X and Baby Boomers) but also by older members of Gen Z, who not too long ago suffered the same critiques from older generations. While there is an unnecessary moral panic surrounding Gen Alpha, worries about how they understand their gender, the gender of others and gender roles are rightful causes for concern. Just this week, the leader of the UK’s largest education union called for an independent inquiry into the rise of sexism and misogyny among boys and young men, describing it as “a huge issue” in schools. With the prevalence of misogynistic male influencers on social media, many believe that Gen Alpha boys are “not going to be OK” and are already “doomed.”

But are they really doomed? Or is what’s going on with Gen Alpha boys more complex than the pessimistic picture being painted?

My son is 10, and when I asked him if he knew who Andrew Tate was he said although the had never watched him, he heard some of his classmates talking about him a few times. That day I had to have a 1 hour conversation with him about how dangerous that man is.

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“I believe an element of this is unprecedented,” explains John*, a 23-year-old working at an educational charity. “[One of my] colleagues’ parents has been a teacher for decades and says she sees more misogyny and homophobia in schools now than ever before. There are waves of online content reaching young men, and nobody, including us, knows exactly what to do.” Andrew Tate, who is now facing extradition to the UK over rape and human trafficking claims, is still one of the main misogynistic influencers that John hears young boys speak about. “They regurgitate ideas and phrases of his. These sometimes are shown through their idea of what a man should be, involving being a ‘Top G,’ ‘providing for your family.’ They make fun of women and their appearance regularly. People who counter their ideas, especially women, are seen as dangerous and liars.”

One of the reasons young men find themselves so attracted to Tate, as John highlights, is because he teaches them how to exist in the world. In her book Collapse Feminism, writer and video essayist Alice Cappelle argues that while some young men do go out of their way to look for misogynistic content online, others are simply looking for self-improvement tips. Since influencers like Tate and Jordan Peterson brand themselves as “self-help” gurus, selling courses on how to be a ‘Top G’, attract the right kind of women and achieve financial freedom,
impressionable boys and young men believe they’ve discovered the secret to performing their gender “correctly” and succeeding in life.

“Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind” – Issa

It’s easy to put sole blame on individuals like Tate (or even on pornography, as the teachers’ union leaders are doing) for the rise in misogyny among young men, but we already live in an incredibly gendered society. Even when we don’t think we’re pushing a gendered ideology, most of the time, we are, and young people internalise that way of thinking very quickly. For example, in her book, The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks highlights how mothers can be some of the biggest perpetrators of patriarchy. “The single mom who insists that her boy child, ‘be a man’ is not anti-patriarchal; she is enforcing patriarchal will,” she writes. 23-year-old history teacher Lauren, who has been a victim of misogynistic catcalling at her school, similarly agrees with hooks’ sentiments. “I think many issues within school, including children’s perception of gender, come from the parents at home. So regardless of what we can do in school, I don’t think this has a great impact unless we educate their parents, which is extremely hard to do.”

28-year-old Issa*, an English teacher in an inner city secondary school, believes our focus should not be on individuals like Tate because teenagers are incredibly fickle. “Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind.” This is where charities like Beyond Equality come into play. Founded in 2016, they facilitate workshops in schools, universities, workplaces, sports teams, and other community groups, focusing on boys and men. They explore topics such as physical and mental well-being, gender-based violence, and healthy relationships. “We help them understand their position in the patriarchy and support them in contributing to a more gender-equitable world,” Tomara Garrod, volunteer and community manager of Beyond Equality, tells Dazed.

“Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected” – Tomara Garrod

Beyond Equality believes that one of the best ways to support boys who find themselves drawn to misogynistic content is by speaking with them honestly. “To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,” explains Garrod. “Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected. Many engage far more critically with the content they consume than we might assume. What they need is a space to engage and encourage this critical thinking, one rooted in curiosity, compassion, and justice.”

The work done by organisations like Beyond Equality is much more impactful than just placing “positive” male influencers in schools, as Labour proposed in February. While the idea is nice on paper, as Cappelle argues in Collapse Feminism, “the goal should not be to switch one type of masculinity (toxic) to another type of masculinity (healthy/positive), but rather to reject the idea that the formation of one’s identity, meaning one’s value system and tastes, can only mediate through a fixed gender expression.” In other words: “it is time to imagine the formation of a man’s identity outside of the constraints of masculinity and outside of the constraints of a fixed definition.”

It takes all of us, not just teachers and those who work in charities, to dismantle and challenge patriarchal culture, and we must do it together if we do not want the ideological gender divide to deepen.
 
"No, it can't be because of our shitty ideology that inherently demonizes masculinity. It has to be the evil chud Andrew Tate corrupting their minds."
A youtuber called hello future me recently released a 4 hour video on rings of power, and 2 hours of that video were dedicated to him accusing "wokebros" (i.e. everyone to the right of stalin) of brainwashing the youth into hating chomos and troons and "kweer people" and how true men like him take it up the ass because what is masculinity really?

And the entire time I was thinking, "Are you really that delusional that you think people need to be brainwashed into hating troons and chomos like you?"

These people genuinely think the default state of humanity is sucking troon asshole and you need to be brainwashed to dislike them.
 
10 is now the age where most kids will have a smartphone. While you can limit internet exposure through controlling screentime, parental controls, a dumb phone or something like Bark (a phone that logs everything the kid does), there'll be lots of kids whose parents don't do that - especially when content is easily viewable on YouTube and doesn't require going on adult websites. So most kids will be exposed to "mature" internet content at a young age (either on their own devices, or being shown it by friends), which is why a third of 10 year olds have seen pornography and something like two thirds of 10 year old boys have watched Andrew Tate videos.
Speaking to a ten year old boy about Andrew Tate therefore isn't premature. Telling him Andrew Tate is the world's greatest villain and he's an evil brainwashing monster is not likely to have the desired outcome, though, since then his videos become forbidden fruit. That said I don't think there'd be as much of a pressing need to "address" Andrew Tate because he hasn't had the same sort of reach he did a few years ago and a lot of boys now think he's kind of lame... more just talking to kids in general about what sort of stuff they're seeing online, and having open conversations with them instead of instantly jumping to flat out condemnation for wrongthink. It can genuinely teach them critical thinking skills and not to accept everything they see online as gospel truth. Although you will regret having those conversations if they make you watch Skibidi Toilet. Speaking of which

It tickles me that there's a picture of Kate Bush on the wall.
You know what I was watching at 10? Minecraft. Like most kids. Kids, 10 year olds, wernt listening to political streamers. That's not fun. And yeah, I would tell a 10 year old Tate is a loser, because they aren't a teenager yet, they'll actually listen. It's called being a parental figure.
 
But it may be true. But it may only be a 0.1 % difference, an insignificant one. The fact the author doesn't actually give the statistic is the tell tale sign of bullshit, but not so much the statement.
The statement itself is a problem. It lumps three unrelated categories together and presents it as a valid fact. It's used to try to pass a lie as truth. Conservatives are objectively less violent. Racism and anti-immigrant sentiment are packaged together to make the statement technically not a lie, even though the actual argument is.
 
The statement itself is a problem. It lumps three unrelated categories together and presents it as a valid fact. It's used to try to pass a lie as truth. Conservatives are objectively less violent. Racism and anti-immigrant sentiment are packaged together to make the statement technically not a lie, even though the actual argument is.
But one side; statistically, no matter how insignificant MUST do it more than the other. This is merely textbook propaganda. It’s not a lie; it’s a truth; but the point of using the truth to portray a wider statement without directly saying so is the key here.

As an another example we could say there was election fraud in 2020 that has been prosecuted. A true statement; but only a handful of actual examples exist.

For propaganda purposes we could say “the convictions prove without a doubt there was election fraud in 2020.” It’s a truth but paints a wider picture without saying so.
 
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But one side; statistically, no matter how insignificant MUST do it more than the other. This is merely textbook propaganda. It’s not a lie; it’s a truth; but the point of using the truth to portray a wider statement without directly saying so is the key here.

As an another example we could say there was election fraud in 2020 that has been prosecuted. A true statement; but only a handful of actual examples exist.

For propaganda purposes we could say “the convictions prove without a doubt there was election fraud in 2020.” It’s a truth but paints a wider picture without saying so.

Election fraud is an objective truth. It's proven by the scattered convictions that happen every year. It's not proven how rampant election fraud happens, it is just assumed that all votes not prosecuted are legitimately cast and that the known fraud is the only fraud and isn't enough to sway an election.

It is objectively false that conservatives are more violent. That objective lie is laundered into a truth by manipulating the statistic to include unrelated data points. Racist beliefs and anti immigrant sentiment has no connection to violence against women. Proof of some election fraud does have a connection to the argument that election fraud is rampant.

Journalism used to do what you describe. It was tolerable because they didn't lie, just hoped the reader was stupid and lazy. It's one thing to only present data that supports your argument. It is another to manipulate the data to present a lie as true.

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I don't know if it's a woman thing or a middle-class thing, but there is a distinct subset of people that lack power but soothe themselves on being society's hall monitors.

They love rules. They want to marry the rules. And their rules should govern all human contact and behavior. And because they know the rules and love the rules, they hold the high ground and feel like they can scold anyone that won't fight back into submission.

Thus...what's wrong with boys. The Hall Monitors of the world are currently treating boys like defective girls because girl behavior is superior, you see, so boys need to be more like them. And if boys don't particularly like that, they'll go find someone that tells them it's okay to be male. Even if that "okayness" comes with toxic masculinity; at least someone is on the side of boys.
@Not A Bunny take a look at this and see if it rings true: https://ponerology.substack.com/p/tyranny-and-the-anankastic-mind
 
To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,” explains Garrod. “Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected. Many engage far more critically with the content they consume than we might assume. What they need is a space to engage and encourage this critical thinking, one rooted in curiosity, compassion, and justice.”
To any young men subjected to this therapeutic gaslighting, the best response is a simple point.

“The world is zero sum, every gain women make is at men’s expense” “Any gains I make are at women’s expense”

Young men need to have this drilled into their heads, so they can advocate for their interests unapologetically. Force these feminists and their government supporters who want to castrate you-to either use force to shut you down; or force them to concede “yeah we want you to lose”.

Don’t try to engage them on their own moral terms of “equality” or “fairness”. They’ll always be able to outmaneuver you.
 
Most of these things are basically therapeutic gaslighting techniques-where you are put in a group atmosphere and subjected to very strong social conformist pressure.

Dissent is squeezed by making you feel powerless and weak. While the therapist speaks to you in a tone of compassionate condescension.

It’s very difficult for anyone to stand up to this, especially teenagers.

I think it’s best for young men to embrace some sort of amoralism. “More for the hoes means less for me”.

They can try to tell you zero sum isn’t real-but then just laugh in their face.

Better yet-say you want a 100 women and a castle-be demanding, be unreasonable. Force these pacifiers to admit “actually we want you to lower your expectations to degradation and penury for women’s sake”
 
released a 4 hour video
Why can no one just write shit down any more? This whole ‘watch this seven hour video where this person rambles endlessly’ is so annoying. How are you supposed to go back to a specific sentence in four hours of ramble? Write it the fuck down

Kids are surrounded by propaganda. It’s very targeted at each sex as well. You see it in how TV cartoons for little kids are aimed at both sexes then everything for five and ups is either trucks and explosions or pink. There are different pressures put on each sex. I worry about my girls because of the relentless conformity message and over sexualisation of everything and I worry about the boys because of the endless messaging that they’re bad and also sexualisation but in a different way. The stuff that’s aimed at girls is very overt, it’s showing them their peers dressed in very scanty clothes and fame and singing etc. the stuff aimed at boys is less overt but just as creepy. I actually think TV aimed at pre teen girls is much, much worse and it’s very depressing.

Teach them from very young that what’s on the TV isn’t unbiased truth. Keep them away from the nasty stuff as much as you can and give them the basics of critical thinking so they can hopefully deal with what they inevitably be exposed to eventually.
 
Why can no one just write shit down any more? This whole ‘watch this seven hour video where this person rambles endlessly’ is so annoying. How are you supposed to go back to a specific sentence in four hours of ramble? Write it the fuck down
Tbh, I don't really mind video essays but there's a difference between a video essay and a badly edited overlong rambling video.

Most well produced video essays tend to be split off into digestible highly focused segments/chapters that work fine as a standalone and as part of a greater whole, you can watch them at your pace and you can revisit old parts easily to get the information you are looking for, or sometimes even skip parts you aren't intrested in. (Like the first half of said rings of power video).

Mostly badly produced video essays tend to be 2 hours of poorly thought out incoherent rambling with no real focus which is why they are so long without having a real point you couldn't have made in 10 minutes. (Like the second half of said rings of power video).
 
i remember a few years ago someone on the forum tried very hard to convince me that young women being deranged leftists was just my incel chud imagination and had no basis in reality lol
might even have been null himself, dont remember exactly
anyway, with each passing year i feel more and more vindicated because it's clearly true and that guy was just coping
Women have been pushing left forever. It's why the marxists went out of their way to court them. Far, far easier to manipulate.
 
That one in particular seems rampant, how the fuck did most people just agree we should dress little girls like whores?
it's empowering and liberating, chud
a significant amount of women unironically believe this, and they raise their daughters like that if they have any
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That one in particular seems rampant, how the fuck did most people just agree we should dress little girls like whores?
It is grim. You notice as well when you have both girls and boys to dress that in thr same shop the girls shorts are skimpy while the boys ones are comfy and baggy. The girls jeans are tight and the boys ones are comfy and baggy. When they’re tiny you can just dress them in comfy stuff but it becomes harder to find one you’ve hit 7 or so. It’s not like you can’t find anything that’s comfy and lets kids run around outside but it is definitely not as easy for the girls stuff. Lots of girls T shirts with dodgy slogans on too.
 
it's empowering and liberating, chud
a significant amount of women unironically believe this, and they raise their daughters like that if they have any
there is a strong argument for prosecuting the adults involved in that protest. This is sexual abuse.
I never thought I would understand how the people of Germany accepted Hitler with open arms and allowed the exterminations to happen, but I do now. If this is the alternative I would vote for him here in the US.
 
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