Culture What is really going on with Gen Alpha boys?

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By Halima Jibril

At the start of the year, the Financial Times reported that a new gender divide is emerging worldwide. While there has been consistent debate over whether Gen Z is the most progressive generation in history or the most conservative, there was a point in the latter part of the 2010s when many believed that the world needed to change and that Gen Z as a whole would be the ones to make it better. But this new research tells a less idealistic story.

Through an analysis of General Social Surveys and Election Studies in Korea, Germany, the US and the UK, data journalist John Burn-Murdoch found that in the UK, Gen Z women are 25 percentage points more liberal than Gen Z men. In Germany and the US, Gen Z women are 30 percentage points more liberal than the men in their generation. The voting patterns of young men around the world also highlight their more conservative leanings: In the Polish elections last year, almost half of the men aged 18 to 21 voted for the far-right Confederation party, and in South Korea, young men largely voted for the right-wing People Power party in 2022.

Many believe this divide is the result of backlash towards feminist movements such as #MeToo and the fact that popular feminism, while still challenged, was able to enter mainstream discourse successfully. Even though backlash towards feminist progression is normal, as Susan Faludi wrote in her 1991 text Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, acknowledging its normalcy should not make us complacent. These statistics are worrying, as those with conservative ideals are more likely to display violent anti-women, anti-immigration and racist attitudes openly, and there is a possibility that the divide will grow further.

As soon as I heard this news, I immediately thought about Gen Alpha boys (born between 2010 and 2025) and Gen Z’s youngest members (often lumped in with Gen Alpha). A generation already described as illiterate, lazy, rude and ignorant, not just by the usual suspects (Gen X and Baby Boomers) but also by older members of Gen Z, who not too long ago suffered the same critiques from older generations. While there is an unnecessary moral panic surrounding Gen Alpha, worries about how they understand their gender, the gender of others and gender roles are rightful causes for concern. Just this week, the leader of the UK’s largest education union called for an independent inquiry into the rise of sexism and misogyny among boys and young men, describing it as “a huge issue” in schools. With the prevalence of misogynistic male influencers on social media, many believe that Gen Alpha boys are “not going to be OK” and are already “doomed.”

But are they really doomed? Or is what’s going on with Gen Alpha boys more complex than the pessimistic picture being painted?

My son is 10, and when I asked him if he knew who Andrew Tate was he said although the had never watched him, he heard some of his classmates talking about him a few times. That day I had to have a 1 hour conversation with him about how dangerous that man is.

— Mauvaise Pute 🧚🏾‍♀️ (@jenny_gxo) June 20, 2023

“I believe an element of this is unprecedented,” explains John*, a 23-year-old working at an educational charity. “[One of my] colleagues’ parents has been a teacher for decades and says she sees more misogyny and homophobia in schools now than ever before. There are waves of online content reaching young men, and nobody, including us, knows exactly what to do.” Andrew Tate, who is now facing extradition to the UK over rape and human trafficking claims, is still one of the main misogynistic influencers that John hears young boys speak about. “They regurgitate ideas and phrases of his. These sometimes are shown through their idea of what a man should be, involving being a ‘Top G,’ ‘providing for your family.’ They make fun of women and their appearance regularly. People who counter their ideas, especially women, are seen as dangerous and liars.”

One of the reasons young men find themselves so attracted to Tate, as John highlights, is because he teaches them how to exist in the world. In her book Collapse Feminism, writer and video essayist Alice Cappelle argues that while some young men do go out of their way to look for misogynistic content online, others are simply looking for self-improvement tips. Since influencers like Tate and Jordan Peterson brand themselves as “self-help” gurus, selling courses on how to be a ‘Top G’, attract the right kind of women and achieve financial freedom,
impressionable boys and young men believe they’ve discovered the secret to performing their gender “correctly” and succeeding in life.

“Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind” – Issa

It’s easy to put sole blame on individuals like Tate (or even on pornography, as the teachers’ union leaders are doing) for the rise in misogyny among young men, but we already live in an incredibly gendered society. Even when we don’t think we’re pushing a gendered ideology, most of the time, we are, and young people internalise that way of thinking very quickly. For example, in her book, The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity and Love, bell hooks highlights how mothers can be some of the biggest perpetrators of patriarchy. “The single mom who insists that her boy child, ‘be a man’ is not anti-patriarchal; she is enforcing patriarchal will,” she writes. 23-year-old history teacher Lauren, who has been a victim of misogynistic catcalling at her school, similarly agrees with hooks’ sentiments. “I think many issues within school, including children’s perception of gender, come from the parents at home. So regardless of what we can do in school, I don’t think this has a great impact unless we educate their parents, which is extremely hard to do.”

28-year-old Issa*, an English teacher in an inner city secondary school, believes our focus should not be on individuals like Tate because teenagers are incredibly fickle. “Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind.” This is where charities like Beyond Equality come into play. Founded in 2016, they facilitate workshops in schools, universities, workplaces, sports teams, and other community groups, focusing on boys and men. They explore topics such as physical and mental well-being, gender-based violence, and healthy relationships. “We help them understand their position in the patriarchy and support them in contributing to a more gender-equitable world,” Tomara Garrod, volunteer and community manager of Beyond Equality, tells Dazed.

“Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected” – Tomara Garrod

Beyond Equality believes that one of the best ways to support boys who find themselves drawn to misogynistic content is by speaking with them honestly. “To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,” explains Garrod. “Teenagers are used to being told by adults what they should believe, how they should behave, and being punished when they don’t follow these rules. But many are more than willing to have a sensitive, nuanced conversation as long as they feel they’ll be genuinely listened to and respected. Many engage far more critically with the content they consume than we might assume. What they need is a space to engage and encourage this critical thinking, one rooted in curiosity, compassion, and justice.”

The work done by organisations like Beyond Equality is much more impactful than just placing “positive” male influencers in schools, as Labour proposed in February. While the idea is nice on paper, as Cappelle argues in Collapse Feminism, “the goal should not be to switch one type of masculinity (toxic) to another type of masculinity (healthy/positive), but rather to reject the idea that the formation of one’s identity, meaning one’s value system and tastes, can only mediate through a fixed gender expression.” In other words: “it is time to imagine the formation of a man’s identity outside of the constraints of masculinity and outside of the constraints of a fixed definition.”

It takes all of us, not just teachers and those who work in charities, to dismantle and challenge patriarchal culture, and we must do it together if we do not want the ideological gender divide to deepen.
 
The problem with telling young men that they're problematic and have to meet some bullshit imposed social standards suddenly is that they have access to the internet and can figure out that things weren't always so gay and retarded. The metoo movement really got a lot of noggins scratching because instead of stopping at actual sex pests getting outed it kicked off this global mentality that women are somehow elevated in status now while men are somehow lower.

Why would anyone go for that shit? Why would anyone want to live in clownworld where you have people landing high paying government appointments simply because they met an ID requirement? Why would these kids want to grow up in a dating environment where high body counts are common and it's considered "misogynistic" to ask someone to stop selling on OF before dating? Why would these kids want to live in a world where they're expected to treat trannies like True and Honest valid social icons? Why would they want to live in a world where if they're white they can expect people who do less for society to receive more from society than they do based on skin color? They can clearly see with their own eyes that only a few short years ago the world was more normal, people were happier, and getting along with the opposite sex was easier.
Unfortunately, these kids are too young to remember an era where social justice was not the institutional law, where feminism wasn't as rampant, and where race and gender were not the deciding factor in everything. If anything, they're the first generation totally indoctrinated into it. Someone who is 18 now would have been in middle school/high school in the late 10s/early 20s being taught how to have gay sex, how there are millions of genders and cisgender is the worst of them all, and how white people, especially white men, caused every single social problem in the world and they oppress women by their very existance.

This article is because people are shocked that not every teenager/young adult these days accepts this as a fact. They don't know why their indoctrination system isn't 100% successful and blame Andrew Tate for it.
For all of the talk about the threat of young men turning feral, violence has pretty much become outdated as a way of instituting long term change. Has any Blue State Shithole City really ever changed because its black population burned it down?
Yes. Look at the Ferguson Effect where as early as 2015 there were spikes in murders and crime in blue cities because departments were starting to do pro-BLM policies. Then there was a second spike in the post-Summer of Floyd era (especially 2020-22) thanks to the Defund the Police movement.
 
“Tate will become cringe eventually. The problem is the trail of misogynistic destruction he has left behind.” This is where charities like Beyond Equality come into play. Founded in 2016, they facilitate workshops in schools, universities, workplaces, sports teams, and other community groups, focusing on boys and men. They explore topics such as physical and mental well-being, gender-based violence, and healthy relationships. “We help them understand their position in the patriarchy and support them in contributing to a more gender-equitable world,” Tomara Garrod, volunteer and community manager of Beyond Equality, tells Dazed.
If someone told me, a teenage boy, we were going to be doing a "patriarchy workshop", neither me nor my friends would have anything but disdain for it. It would be just another thing in a long line of things the establishment wanted to change about me and my beliefs.

These people still don't get it. You cannot convince inherently rebellious teenagers that your institutionally-sanctioned puppet-men have their best interest in mind and are anything more than premium cringe. If you want an idea to stick in the minds of teenagers, it has to be transgressive and there is nothing transgressive about being a pussified little homo who sits around and talks about his feelings.
 
wtf are puas, why do people insist on using acronyms not even google can decypher
pick up artists, the game, r/theredpill, that whole sphere
it was kinda big in the early 2010s but has since lost a lot of influence due to the subsequent rise of post-redpill ideas (incel/blackpill and now andrew tate types)

Surely they can find someone as successful as Tate who doesn't hate women? Who are the big football stars in Europe now?
they've learned to not look to close at those guys personal lives, because most of them tend to come from an underclass prole or third world immigrant background, and men like that (especiall when they have now become rich and famous) tend to be pretty chuddy when it comes to women.
for example i remember a while ago there was a minor scandal about several french football stars being involved with allegedly underaged prostitutes:

the feminist propagandists face a real dilemma here: almost any man who has enough masculine appeal to actually be an attractive role model for boys will also have a strong enough personality to reject feminism. and, if any man like that were to actually go out of his way to try and be an anti-tate (bottom simp vs. top g?) it wouldn't sway the audience to his side, rather it would just make them lose respect for him.
because again, it's not like the audience was all happy being simps and cucks until tate came along and brainwashed them into hating women. no, the audience was already highly annoyed and resentful at the state of affairs in society, tate merely came along and cleverly made use of that existing sentiment to enhance his own fame and career.

if tate had been peddling a message about "respect women, simp for equality, be a good little cuck" then he would be a complete nobody today because that's just the same message you get everywhere else, nobody would listen to him for that. no matter how many bugattis and cigars he flashes on camera, if that was his message then he would just be some unimportant unknown internet weirdo today.
 
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Beyond Equality believes that one of the best ways to support boys who find themselves drawn to misogynistic content is by speaking with them honestly. “To actually have transformative, liberatory conversations about misogyny, we have to be able to face it openly and without judgement,”
I've had many of these conversations about race and sex "openly and without judgement." What that means is that they vaguely listen to your concerns, tell you it doesn't make you a bad guy to feel that way, and then guide you gently back to the prefigured social justice conclusion.

Whenever somebody tells they want to have an "open," "honest," or "empathetic" conversation about race or gender that's what they mean every single time.
 
Andrew Tate ruined an entire generation of men
What are you talking about? Andrew Tate is a faggot but not Gen Alpha isn't hardcore woman hating because of him. They hate feminism because the Boomers who facilitated Equality and Feminism have DESTROYED Gen Alpha Men's prosperity and economic futures. They hate feminism because Millennials who are now in power, seek to actively PUNISH them for daring to question feminist society. They hate Zoomers who actively ENABLE and facilitate the cancel culture the Millennials engage in. Gen Alpha has every right to reject Feminism and I'm glad they're doing so. Even if Tate is a massive sex trafficking fed faggot.

I'll believe it when I see it. I remember 8 years ago when all the WN boys were raving about how based and racist "Generation Zyklon" was gonna be, then they all started eating Tide Pods and saying they were non-binary.
You already see it. Or do you think the crumbling birthing rates and collapsing wedding industry is a coincidence? Sure TPTB are pushing it, but men are happily rejecting marriage and women. MGTOW is only growing every day and that's bad for the birth rate.

My kids think he’s a retard. He looks like a thumb with eyes, there’s something developmentally wrong with him and he’s basically a pikey chav running cam girls. I don’t see any of my kids friends into him at all. I think he’s heavily pushed by the media but from what I’ve seen people laugh at him. Peterson is a cow too but does at least have eloquence and many sensible points
In Burgerland things are far worse. Tates message is also far more applicable.

Whenever somebody tells they want to have an "open," "honest," or "empathetic" conversation about race or gender that's what they mean every single time.
It's why I tell people that I'm violently un-empathetic. They normally stop preaching bullshit to me then.
 
Unfortunately, these kids are too young to remember an era where social justice was not the institutional law, where feminism wasn't as rampant, and where race and gender were not the deciding factor in everything. If anything, they're the first generation totally indoctrinated into it. Someone who is 18 now would have been in middle school/high school in the late 10s/early 20s being taught how to have gay sex, how there are millions of genders and cisgender is the worst of them all, and how white people, especially white men, caused every single social problem in the world and they oppress women by their very existance.

This article is because people are shocked that not every teenager/young adult these days accepts this as a fact. They don't know why their indoctrination system isn't 100% successful and blame Andrew Tate for it.
And this is exactly why most of them have concluded that women simply aren't worth it anymore. Sure, friendships still happen but relationships? Fat chance. This is also part of the reason why they're so fascinated by the 80s and 90s in general. They couldn't believe that people back then were slim and good looking, there was tits and violence in videogames as well as happy, functioning relationships, things were much more affordable (Married With Children literally features a retail dude and he's able to afford 2 kids, a house, a wife that spends alot of money and a car) and the Internet was a much for freer space than the Corponet we have now.

1987...

2014.

Hilariously, this is also why they are going for older games instead of the newer stuff. And the pirates are more than happy to provide your old-ass games. Also, thanks to the Internet and autism, Communists aren't able to easily erase history easily like they did back then. Which is essential in creating a slave underclass seen in Communist societies. Which is the primary reason why they are so pro-censorship. However, that would be for naught as I've seen plenty of Big Tech's spaces becoming mini /pol/s. They're learning how to get around the censorship and its beautiful.
 
Married With Children literally features a retail dude and he's able to afford 2 kids, a house, a wife that spends alot of money and a car
Indeed, compare this to something like Malcolm in the Middle (made 2000-2003ish?) where both parents worked, one office one retail and they still barely could provide. It may be a comedy but life imitates art. And this was all pre-2008 where shit really started hitting the fan
 
Indeed, compare this to something like Malcolm in the Middle (made 2000-2003ish?) where both parents worked, one office one retail and they still barely could provide. It may be a comedy but life imitates art. And this was all pre-2008 where shit really started hitting the fan
The problem there is unchecked capitalism and the US fucking over future generations wasting trillions on pointless forever wars, not women and feminism.

I'm sure the powers that be are more than happy to see people blaming women and feminism though. Divide and conquer and all that shit.
 
Indeed, compare this to something like Malcolm in the Middle (made 2000-2003ish?) where both parents worked, one office one retail and they still barely could provide. It may be a comedy but life imitates art. And this was all pre-2008 where shit really started hitting the fan
An interesting point considering Married with Children was made in the late 1980s. So inflation was slowly fucking everyone even back then. The Federal Reserve was a mistake, we need another Andrew Jackson.

I'm sure the powers that be are more than happy to see people blaming women and feminism though. Divide and conquer and all that shit.
Until everything literally is falling apart and they'll blame everyone except themselves for the retardation they've foisted upon everyone else.
 
The problem there is unchecked capitalism and the US fucking over future generations wasting trillions on pointless forever wars, not women and feminism.

I'm sure the powers that be are more than happy to see people blaming women and feminism though. Divide and conquer and all that shit.
I lived through socialism. GTFO you fucking dunce. Go find a commune and stink over there
 
That said you shouldn't be talking to him at 10. kids need to be worrying about friends and school and shit, and how many chocolate milk cartons they can collect at lunch.
10 is now the age where most kids will have a smartphone. While you can limit internet exposure through controlling screentime, parental controls, a dumb phone or something like Bark (a phone that logs everything the kid does), there'll be lots of kids whose parents don't do that - especially when content is easily viewable on YouTube and doesn't require going on adult websites. So most kids will be exposed to "mature" internet content at a young age (either on their own devices, or being shown it by friends), which is why a third of 10 year olds have seen pornography and something like two thirds of 10 year old boys have watched Andrew Tate videos.
Speaking to a ten year old boy about Andrew Tate therefore isn't premature. Telling him Andrew Tate is the world's greatest villain and he's an evil brainwashing monster is not likely to have the desired outcome, though, since then his videos become forbidden fruit. That said I don't think there'd be as much of a pressing need to "address" Andrew Tate because he hasn't had the same sort of reach he did a few years ago and a lot of boys now think he's kind of lame... more just talking to kids in general about what sort of stuff they're seeing online, and having open conversations with them instead of instantly jumping to flat out condemnation for wrongthink. It can genuinely teach them critical thinking skills and not to accept everything they see online as gospel truth. Although you will regret having those conversations if they make you watch Skibidi Toilet. Speaking of which
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It tickles me that there's a picture of Kate Bush on the wall.
 
Speaking to a ten year old boy about Andrew Tate therefore isn't premature. Telling him Andrew Tate is the world's greatest villain and he's an evil brainwashing monster is not likely to have the desired outcome, though, since then his videos become forbidden fruit. That said I don't think there'd be as much of a pressing need to "address" Andrew Tate because he hasn't had the same sort of reach he did a few years ago and a lot of boys now think he's kind of lame... more just talking to kids in general about what sort of stuff they're seeing online, and having open conversations with them instead of instantly jumping to flat out condemnation for wrongthink. It can genuinely teach them critical thinking skills and not to accept everything they see online as gospel truth.
the thing is, talking to kids in general about what sort of stuff they're seeing online will not accomplish much by itself, because the content in question directly references and comments on what they're seeing in real life.
to make an impact you can't just do the "tate man bad" thing, you would also need to provide a better solution to the underlying problem than whatever tate is peddling.
but to figure out a solution to that, you would first have to actually acknowledge that a problem exists and understand how it impacts people, which committed leftoids like the people in the article obviously will never do.
 
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