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What is the 4B feminist movement from S Korea that’s taking off in the US? (archive)
Trump’s win has led some US women to want to swear off men completely, following sexist remarks he has made in the past, a sexual abuse case against him and his stance on abortion.

By: Sarah Shamim; Al Jazeera
Published: November 9th, 2024


A feminist movement sweeping South Korea, in which women are saying “No” to any form of intimate relationships with men, is taking hold in the United States following former President Donald Trump’s resounding victory in the presidential election.

So what is the 4B movement and why are American women turning to it now?

What is the 4B movement?
The 4B movement originally emerged from the fringes of the South Korean feminist movement.

It developed in South Korean feminist circles and on social media in the mid-to-late 2010s during a wave of violence against women in the country, and in protest over other manifestations of sexism and inequality in South Korean society.

4B is shorthand for four words that start with “bi”, which means “no” in Korean.

The movement calls for:
  • Bihon, which means no heterosexual marriage.
  • Bichulsan, no childbirth.
  • Biyeonae, no dating.
  • Bisekseu, no heterosexual sexual relationships.

Why did this movement emerge in South Korea?
Women are fed up with the scale of male violence in South Korean society.

A report published in 2018 showed that in the previous nine years, at least 824 women in South Korea had been killed and a further 602 were put at risk of death by violence at the hands of their intimate partners.

But there are also economic factors.

According to data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), South Korean men earn 31.2 percent more, on average, than women.

South Korean society also tends to be fairly conservative when it comes to families.

Ayo Wahlberg, a professor in the anthropology department at the University of Copenhagen, told Al Jazeera that the responsibility for the bulk of childcare and household chores, as well as taking care of the elderly, generally falls on the shoulders of women. But, with rising inflation, women also have little choice but to work outside of the home, meaning their responsibilities are doubled.

This has led to more women forgoing the prospect of having children while also making less money than their male spouses – a situation many say they find disheartening.

Meanwhile, the birthrate in South Korea continues to drop rapidly. In recent years, the country has had one of the lowest birthrates in the world. In February this year, Statistics Korea published data showing that the overall birthrate had dropped by 8 percent in 2023 to 0.72 children per woman in their lifetime compared with 0.78 in 2022. The low birthrate has been declared a national emergency.

‘Your body, my choice’: Why is the movement gathering interest in the US now?
Soon after it had become apparent that Trump had won the US presidential election this week, young women in the US took to social media platforms such as TikTok and X, encouraging other women to take inspiration from the 4B movement.

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While CNN’s exit poll suggested that Trump won 46 percent of the women’s vote and Harris won 54 percent, it also showed that Harris had won just 43.5 percent of the male vote compared with Trump’s 56.5 percent.

Young women on social media said they were disappointed that young men had voted for a candidate who they say does not respect their bodily autonomy.

To make matters worse, some Trump supporters, such as far-right political activist Nick Fuentes, started posting misogynistic messages on X such as the statement, “Your body, my choice.”

The message is a co-optation of “my body, my choice” a slogan used historically by feminists rallying for autonomy and reproductive rights.


How significant a role did women’s rights play in the US election?
The right to abortion was a major talking point in the lead-up to the election.

While the Democratic candidate, Kamala Harris, was banking on abortion being a big issue, it turned out to be much less of a decisive issue for voters than economic issues such as inflation, unemployment and the cost of living.

The election was the first presidential vote since the landmark 1973 Roe v Wade court ruling was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2022, ending women’s federal right to an abortion in the US. The decision on laws regarding abortion was reverted to individual states instead.

Trump claimed credit for the overturning of Roe v Wade, which was made possible by his appointments of three conservative judges to the top court.

Democrats campaigned in the belief that this would bring women out to vote for Harris. That position did not pay off entirely, however.

On Tuesday this week, as the election was in full swing, 10 states also voted on whether or not to enshrine the right to abortion in their constitutions. Of these, seven states passed the measures and three states did not.

What could happen to abortion once Trump is in power?
Trump has said that he would veto a federal abortion bill, preferring to leave the question of laws regarding the right to abortion down to individual states to decide.

However, fears now loom among women’s rights groups that he will be pressured by Republicans, who now control the Senate and the Supreme Court – and are close to controlling the House of Representatives as well – into making a federal abortion ban across the US a reality.

There are also fears that Trump’s administration could have the power to enforce an interpretation of the 1873 Comstock Act, which makes it a federal crime to sell and receive abortion-related medication or other materials. The law has not been enforced for decades.

Why are women so angry about Trump’s attitude towards them?
Many say Trump reveals a great deal about his general view of women through the comments he has made over the years.

Sexual abuse allegations
In May 2023, a US jury found Trump liable for sexually abusing journalist and author E Jean Carroll in the 1990s. Carroll had detailed the abuse in a memoir in 2019, after which Trump branded her a liar and called her story a “con job”. The court also found that he had defamed her and ordered him to pay damages of more than $83m.

In 2018, veteran journalist Bob Woodward wrote in his book, Fear: Trump in the White House, about a conversation between Trump and an unnamed friend of his, acknowledging bad behaviour towards women.

Trump was quoted saying: “You’ve got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women. If you admit to anything and any culpability, then you’re dead … You’ve got to be strong. You’ve got to be aggressive. You’ve got to push back hard. You’ve got to deny anything that’s said about you. Never admit.”

Disparaging comments about Kamala Harris
Trump has made many controversial remarks about women, including his Democrat challenger and Vice President Kamala Harris.

After Harris inherited the Democrat presidential candidate ticket from Joe Biden earlier this year, Trump told Fox News, “[Harris] somehow – a woman – somehow she’s doing better than [President Joe Biden] did.”

He repeatedly attacked Harris’s intelligence, calling her “stupid” and “dumb” on various occasions.

Other controversial remarks
In June 2004, he said about his daughter, Ivanka Trump, “She does have a very nice figure … if [she] weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” Ivanka was 23 or 24 at the time.

Earlier, soon after Princess Diana’s death in 1997, Trump told television personality Howard Stern in a radio interview that Diana was “beautiful” but “crazy”.

Stern asked Trump if he could have had a sexual relationship with Diana.

“I think I could have,” Trump replied, the Huffington Post reported.

And according to tapes that The Washington Post said it obtained from 2005, Trump admitted to sexual assault in a conversation with TV host Billy Bush, about women in general: “I’m automatically attracted to beautiful – I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

‘Childless cat lady’ comments
His Republican aides, including running mate JD Vance, have also made remarks deemed sexist. In July, comments Vance made about leaders in the Democratic Party in 2021 resurfaced. He said that the leaders of the party did not have children and were “a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too”.
 
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Yes, Doctor Alfred Kinsey founded a feminist anti-rape movement in Korea. Way to show off your superior male intellect.
Alfred Kinsey influenced American psychiatric research, which played a huge role in the development of American leftism.

4B is affiliated with WOMAD, who have been involved in numerous pedophilia scandals in the past involving members of their forum fantasizing about (and potentially also) molesting school-age children.

The vast majority of American women adopting this 4B mentality are American leftists. My post was referring to this group of American leftists.

Hope this helps.
 
That's until they fall for Chad, who happens to be a Trump supporter, then they will forget about this entirely.
Once you do MAGA you never go back

In all seriousness thoughj, which women actually will do this? Maga women won't do it and i bet the OF mwhores can't keep that up for just a few days otherwise they will be broke
 
But is the crime rate in SK abnormally high when compared to the rest of the region/other first world countries or are the stories just publicized more when compared to the past? Because crazy exes who murder their SO have always existed
I have no idea how it compares to other countries in the region, but the article I linked says that it is increasing:
The National Police Agency reported 57,297 cases of dating violence in 2021, triple the number from the previous year. The number of arrests following allegations of dating violence rose 26.1 percent over five years from 8,367 in 2016 to 10,554 in 2021, and a further 21.6 percent in just one year to 12,841 in 2022.
Although part of it might be to increased awareness of 'dating violence' (stalking etc)
 
You guys do realize that acting like a very small contingent of insane women is representative of most women is just as absurd as people acting like Nick Fuentes is representative of the majority of men.

Demeaning women will only drive them away from any political point you could ever have.
 
I have no idea how it compares to other countries in the region, but the article I linked says that it is increasing:

Although part of it might be to increased awareness of 'dating violence' (stalking etc)
Probably. Whenever the media starts to massively report on something the cases and reports of said thing also start to increase, both warranted and unwarranted, like with the rising (reported) cases of missing children during the early 80s in the US. When people become more aware of something, the likelihood of false positives also rises.

I'd say that a few years from now the number of reports will drop and stabilize
 
Alfred Kinsey influenced American psychiatric research, which played a huge role in the development of American leftism.

4B is affiliated with WOMAD, who have been involved in numerous pedophilia scandals in the past involving members of their forum fantasizing about (and potentially also) molesting school-age children.
Kinsey's involvement in the "development of the American left" is virtually limited to matters of sex-positivity, directly counter to an anti-rape, sex controlling movement. Another psychologist you named, John Money, is best known for developing the modern conception of gender, which again is naturally counter to a gender-critical feminist movement.

As for WOMAD, which certainly has no affiliation with post-war American psychology, I honestly don't care if a few of its members have done horrible things. Have you ever used 4chan, or hell, even Facebook? Would it shock you to discover that people on these websites have confessed to rape, murder and worse? Honestly, most of Beauty Parlour would probably cheer on for some of the most misandrist threads in WOMAD. Does that make Kiwi Farms a Kinsey-inspired pedophile cult?
The vast majority of American women adopting this 4B mentality are American leftists. My post was referring to this group of American leftists.
Right... And you replied to a post specifically about Korean gender politics and a Korean website for no reason?
 
What's interesting, besides the almost instant inclusion of the thread's topic article, is the immediate forewarning that the movement is le misandrist and transphobic.
In South Korea, members of the 4B have created gatherings exclusively for what they call "biological females" and "real women".[11]
Well it’s misandrist, that’s the point of it.
The phrase above is just insanity - ‘what they call biological females.’ You can hear the Troon seething. How dare they !
I always get the feeling South Korea is in many ways quite a dysfunctional place. Apologies if that’s just me looking at it through a western lens, but their work culture seems utterly crushing to the spirit. The beauty ideals as well seem very overwhelming - so many girls undergoing plastic surgery when they look perfectly fine. Is it that a rather rigid culture hitting corporate work and consumer culture has resulted in total despair?
These movements are extreme and cult like but they hint at something genuinely amiss with the wider culture
 
I always get the feeling South Korea is in many ways quite a dysfunctional place. Apologies if that’s just me looking at it through a western lens, but their work culture seems utterly crushing to the spirit. The beauty ideals as well seem very overwhelming - so many girls undergoing plastic surgery when they look perfectly fine. Is it that a rather rigid culture hitting corporate work and consumer culture has resulted in total despair?
These movements are extreme and cult like but they hint at something genuinely amiss with the wider culture
Basically, yeah. Shit's completely fucked to the point Japan looks like a healthy, thriving society next to the place.
 
In 2021, a total of 692 murders or attempted murders were reported, with 9.3 per cent occurring within close relationships, such as marriage or dating relationships, according to data from the Supreme Prosecutors' Office. Of the 650 victims whose gender was identified, 270 were women.
So 64 women were either murdered or attempted to be murdered (assuming all 9.3% were female victims) in a country of over 25 million members of the female sex and this is a cause for concern? Really?

Kinsey's involvement in the "development of the American left" is virtually limited to matters of sex-positivity, directly counter to an anti-rape, sex controlling movement.
Saying a movement that encourages women to be bi or homosexual isn't sex positive is like saying the earth revolves around the sun isn't a heliocentric view of the solar system.

Another psychologist you named, John Money, is best known for developing the modern conception of gender, which again is naturally counter to a gender-critical feminist movement.
John Money's concept of gender is the exact same as GCF's. Lmao. Both think gender identify isn't innate but malleable/cultural. As Simone said "“One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman," and she said that way before Money was abusing children.

As for WOMAD, which certainly has no affiliation with post-war American psychology, I honestly don't care if a few of its members have done horrible things. Have you ever used 4chan, or hell, even Facebook? Would it shock you to discover that people on these websites have confessed to rape, murder and worse? Honestly, most of Beauty Parlour would probably cheer on for some of the most misandrist threads in WOMAD. Does that make Kiwi Farms a Kinsey-inspired pedophile cult?
A radical feminist website has nothing to do with a movement that was spawned in American higher education. :story:
 
In South Korea, members of the 4B have created gatherings exclusively for what they call "biological females" and "real women".[11]
Well it’s misandrist, that’s the point of it.
The phrase above is just insanity - ‘what they call biological females.’ You can hear the Troon seething. How dare they !
I always get the feeling South Korea is in many ways quite a dysfunctional place. Apologies if that’s just me looking at it through a western lens, but their work culture seems utterly crushing to the spirit. The beauty ideals as well seem very overwhelming - so many girls undergoing plastic surgery when they look perfectly fine. Is it that a rather rigid culture hitting corporate work and consumer culture has resulted in total despair?
These movements are extreme and cult like but they hint at something genuinely amiss with the wider culture
It's funny how the Cyberpunk genre is heavily influenced by Japanese culture, when it exists currently in South Korea.
 
Demeaning women will only drive them away from any political point you could ever have.
I dunno, women have complained that those MAGAchuds are just big racist, transphobic, meanie-heads but still voted for Trump.

Further, isn't this just admitting that women are ruled by their emotions?

What he posted was true. A lot of women, when you call them out or argue with them just resort name calling because they can't back up their arguments. Some can, but most can't.
 
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