What is the strongest argument for the existence of God?

Str8Bustah said:
Either way you're still relying on an assumption, so why would you assume things to be one way than assume them to be the other when there's no proof that material science would accept as concrete evidence available for either theory?

This is what people mean when they say that at the end of the day it all boils down to whether you have faith in the Lord, or faith in the works of men. Dressing it up doesn't change that.
Click to expand...
It’s fair to say both have an element of assumption, but it’s also fair to say the simplest explanation tends to be a better assumption to make when that’s your only option. Starting with the most inconceivably complex being creating all the less complex components is also a larger stretch of logic than the idea that you start with the most basic components and that given enough time they combined in different ways to form increasingly complex compounds and organisms
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
It’s fair to say both have an element of assumption, but it’s also fair to say the simplest explanation tends to be a better assumption to make when that’s your only option. Starting with the most inconceivably complex being creating all the less complex components is also a larger stretch of logic than the idea that you start with the most basic components and that given enough time they combined in different ways to form increasingly complex compounds and organisms
Click to expand...
Nice babbling buddy
 
  • Autistic
Reactions: One Winged Pear Farmer
Meriasek said:
Yeah, we don't really have a theory for the beginning of the universe, just hypotheses until a full working theory is developed.
Click to expand...

Grog said:
You can not believe in the theory of big bang, doesn't mean there has to be a creator. It just means you don't know what there was before. The big bang is not the god of atheists.
Click to expand...

I would argue that makes you an agnostic though, not an atheist.

To be an atheist you have to be certain there is no god/creator/whatever intelligent force. That certainty requires evidence, otherwise it's just faith (I think this is the key difference). So whether it's the Big Bang or something else, to be an atheist I think you need to have some certainty in your understanding about our origin, otherwise you're really just agnostic. I think a lot of people equate atheism with non-religious, but I would argue that that's not the case. You can't logically be an atheist without having an answer for where we came from. Rejecting the religious answers to that question just makes you non-religious or agnostic, not an atheist.

If your position is just that you don't know where we came from, then we might as well have come from god as from some magical poof that yeeted everything into existence from Nothing. If you believe in the Big Bang theory or some competing scientific "Something from Nothing" theory, then you're an atheist. If you're like "how the fuck should I know, it's literally unknowable", then you're agnostic.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: WingsOfTarkov
Unarmed Gunman said:
I would argue that makes you an agnostic though, not an atheist.

To be an atheist you have to be certain there is no god/creator/whatever intelligent force. That certainty requires evidence, otherwise it's just faith (I think this is the key difference). So whether it's the Big Bang or something else, to be an atheist I think you need to have some certainty in your understanding about our origin, otherwise you're really just agnostic. I think a lot of people equate atheism with non-religious, but I would argue that that's not the case. You can't logically be an atheist without having an answer for where we came from. Rejecting the religious answers to that question just makes you non-religious or agnostic, not an atheist.

If your position is just that you don't know where we came from, then we might as well have come from god as from some magical poof that yeeted everything into existence from Nothing. If you believe in the Big Bang theory or some competing scientific "Something from Nothing" theory, then you're an atheist. If you're like "how the fuck should I know, it's literally unknowable", then you're agnostic.
Click to expand...
Well no one is certain, we are all technically agnostic; even Christians
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
I would argue that makes you an agnostic though, not an atheist.

To be an atheist you have to be certain there is no god/creator/whatever intelligent force. That certainty requires evidence, otherwise it's just faith (I think this is the key difference). So whether it's the Big Bang or something else, to be an atheist I think you need to have some certainty in your understanding about our origin, otherwise you're really just agnostic. I think a lot of people equate atheism with non-religious, but I would argue that that's not the case. You can't logically be an atheist without having an answer for where we came from. Rejecting the religious answers to that question just makes you non-religious or agnostic, not an atheist.

If your position is just that you don't know where we came from, then we might as well have come from god as from some magical poof that yeeted everything into existence from Nothing. If you believe in the Big Bang theory or some competing scientific "Something from Nothing" theory, then you're an atheist. If you're like "how the fuck should I know, it's literally unknowable", then you're agnostic.
Click to expand...
Yeah, I don't consider myself an atheist. I usually go by apatheist, but agnostic also fits.
 
Save the Loli said:
Which god? There is certainly an entity that rules this universe that we can call "God." The universe cannot exist without a divine entity, because nothing can't create anything. Atheists try and make up shit like the "Big Bang" which cannot actually be the beginning of the universe. It's almost certainl not even possible to mathematically describe this era of our universe, since math is an incomplete system.

The God of the Bible on the other hand has no evidence for his existance. He's just Yahweh, a Semitic storm god who some Jews decided was the same as the god El and then decided to stop worshipping other gods.

The stuff in the Bible was made up because the Jews were getting the shit kicked out of them by other nations like Moab, Samaria, etc. so they (probably Elijah and other so-called "prophets") decided to make up a new religion and Jewish kings like Hezekiah and Josiah liked it and blamed all their problems on people not following it. Scientology was made up so L. Ron Hubbard and his buddies would make a lot of money and have lots of women to sex up.
Click to expand...
Jehovah is the only true God
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
Well no one is certain, we are all technically agnostic; even Christians
Click to expand...
Acknowledging that something can never be objectively and scientifically provable/disprovable does not mean one cannot be certain in their belief or disbelief of said thing. Thats the whole point of faith. Having full confidence and belief in something because you trust it without proof.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Brightstar777
WingsOfTarkov said:
Acknowledging that something can never be objectively and scientifically provable/disprovable does not mean one cannot be certain in their belief or disbelief of said thing. Thats the whole point of faith. Having full confidence and belief in something because you trust it without proof.
Click to expand...
If you have certainty then it isn’t faith.
 
No they are not the same. You can be certain you have that belief but it is still a matter of faith and not certainty. You can claim certainty but then again so can delusional schizophrenics but that doesn’t mean their certainty has any weight on reality
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
No they are not the same. You can be certain you have that belief but it is still a matter of faith and not certainty. You can claim certainty but then again so can delusional schizophrenics but that doesn’t mean their certainty has any weight on reality
Click to expand...
You can be certain of your faith, you can be anything
 
Brightstar777 said:
What it the fact?
Click to expand...
The existence of god in this case. You are certain that you have faith in god, that is different from certainty that a god exists. You have reasons why you have that faith but they are not objective in the same sense as something that can be proven with certainty. You can be certain of things that are undeniably observable and verifiable, but the divine/supernatural is fundamentally unable to be proven in that way, or at the very least at current we have no way to
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
The existence of god in this case. You are certain that you have faith in god, that is different from certainty that a god exists. You have reasons why you have that faith but they are not objective in the same sense as something that can be proven with certainty. You can be certain of things that are undeniably observable and verifiable, but the divine/supernatural is fundamentally unable to be proven in that way, or at the very least at current we have no way to
Click to expand...
it can be proven if you open your heart, you think this stuff is unprovable but it's there if you can open your eyes
 
  • Autistic
Reactions: One Winged Pear Farmer
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back