What is the worst thing about the left?

[Cliff Booth]

What's funny is that from a policy standpoint I align more closely with the Democrats than the Republicans, but the fact that they are just so fucking smug about everything makes it hard to vote for them. It's not good enough to win elections and pass policy, you also have to let objectors know that they are fundamentally Bad People on the Wrong Side of History while doing it. The "poor white people vote against their own interest" refrain ties into this. It's like that South Park episode when one of the families moves to the Bay Area and they all start sniffing their own farts combined with thinking that the other side is not simply wrong on the issues, but irredeemabley evil for coming to a different conclusion.

This goes hand in hand with the smug attitude, but their absolute denial that their side engages in dirty politics is quite annoying as well. Michelle Obama's line "When they go low, we go high" comes to mind and you see this play out in many DNC aligned places online. "We need to fight as dirty as the GOP. The only reason we lose elections is because we take the high road."

They all but accused Boof Kavanuagh of hosting high school gang rape parties without evidence and more recently people like AOC are coming awfully close to accusing certain Republican colleagues of plotting to murder other members of the House. Andy Harris needs to explain why he tried to bring a gun into the chamber and hopefully Boebert was just giving her family a tour of her new office. If both incidents turn out to be nothingburgers as I suspect, then the attacks on the reps are absolutely dirty smears.

The year zero attitude wokes have regarding culture is revolting too. It's not good enough to remove statues of confederates (which I support!) you also have to remove Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt. No more reading To Kill a Mockingbird or watching Gone with the Wind because they don't align with the sensibilities of this particular nanosecond.

Lastly, the "party of empathy" schtick is really fucking grating. Not trying to sperg about reddit, per se, but r/leopardsatemyface has half a million (mostly liberal) subs and it exists to make fun of conservatives who have fallen on hard times ostensibly due to politicians they support. Talk about empathy.

 

[melty]

It's hard to pick one thing, but I think the glorification of victimhood is a big turn off. I have an internal locus of control and therefore I don't want to blame everything wrong in my life on some nebulous outside force I can't control. I see so many people who are fast to jump to "this bad thing is happening because I'm xyz" when it's obviously not and they are just using it as a crutch instead of improving themselves. Then everybody pats them on the back and says you're right, your life is bad because of patriarchy and you can't do anything about it. It's so disgusting and self-defeating.

 

[TFT-A9]

Lastly, the "party of empathy" schtick is really fucking grating. Not trying to sperg about reddit, per se, but r/leopardsatemyface has half a million (mostly liberal) subs and it exists to make fun of conservatives who have fallen on hard times ostensibly due to politicians they support. Talk about empathy.

Here's a dirty little secret about empathy: it's worthless and possibly actively detrimental to solving ANYTHING. It's the cheapest way imaginable to make yourself look like a good person to others, it's the BASELINE in a species that is by nature empathetic because of social tendencies. Saying you have empathy is like saying you breathe - only hilariously dysfunctional people are actually completely devoid of empathy. It's also usually WASTED on a lot of people.

I stopped giving a shit about how empathetic people were or said they were a long time ago. My life is no better for being surrounded by "empathetic people" and that's the case for most people, I think. Elected officials aren't there to be empathetic, they're there to get shit done for their constituents and it matters little whether that desire to get shit done stems from a place of empathy or brutal utilitarian mindset.

 

[Full Race Replay]

What's funny is that from a policy standpoint I align more closely with the Democrats than the Republicans, but the fact that they are just so fucking smug about everything makes it hard to vote for them. It's not good enough to win elections and pass policy, you also have to let objectors know that they are fundamentally Bad People on the Wrong Side of History while doing it. The "poor white people vote against their own interest" refrain ties into this. It's like that South Park episode when one of the families moves to the Bay Area and they all start sniffing their own farts combined with thinking that the other side is not simply wrong on the issues, but irredeemabley evil for coming to a different conclusion.

This goes hand in hand with the smug attitude, but their absolute denial that their side engages in dirty politics is quite annoying as well. Michelle Obama's line "When they go low, we go high" comes to mind and you see this play out in many DNC aligned places online. "We need to fight as dirty as the GOP. The only reason we lose elections is because we take the high road."

They all but accused Boof Kavanuagh of hosting high school gang rape parties without evidence and more recently people like AOC are coming awfully close to accusing certain Republican colleagues of plotting to murder other members of the House. Andy Harris needs to explain why he tried to bring a gun into the chamber and hopefully Boebert was just giving her family a tour of her new office. If both incidents turn out to be nothingburgers as I suspect, then the attacks on the reps are absolutely dirty smears.

The year zero attitude wokes have regarding culture is revolting too. It's not good enough to remove statues of confederates (which I support!) you also have to remove Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt. No more reading To Kill a Mockingbird or watching Gone with the Wind because they don't align with the sensibilities of this particular nanosecond.

Lastly, the "party of empathy" schtick is really fucking grating. Not trying to sperg about reddit, per se, but r/leopardsatemyface has half a million (mostly liberal) subs and it exists to make fun of conservatives who have fallen on hard times ostensibly due to politicians they support. Talk about empathy.

I agree. My biggest problem with the left is they have this moral superiority complex and they think they speak for the entire world except for the 50 million or so trump supporters or something like that. Also the way they try to frame everything they want as human rights.

 

[TFT-A9]

I agree. My biggest problem with the left is they have this moral superiority complex and they think they speak for the entire world except for the 50 million or so trump supporters or something like that. Also the way they try to frame everything they want as human rights.

I hate the way "rights" as a term is used/abused. The concept of a right implies an attendant responsibility that confers that right via its fulfillment. It might just be a "for lack of a better word" case, but there are times I see it just flagrantly abused to denote "THINGS I WANT GIMME NOW".

 

[DeadFish]

This is the thing that made me go from soft liberal that I was at one time to the right - I found out about European holocaust denial laws and the ruthlessness they are enforced over there. I have no interest in holocaust denial and find many of them kooky, but that's why you ignore them instead of trying to crack skulls. Since the Euro left tends to be a little ahead of the US version, I think eventually they will try and code in hate speech laws of some kind as somehow not violating the constitution.

Since I had that epiphany many years ago, I have come to realize that most liberals are open hypocrites/liars. They championed free speech in so far as they saw it as giving them an advantage politically. Now that icky right wing people rely on it, well, their (fake) 'commitment' to it suddenly has a thousand loopholes. Now it's just a handful of idealists on the left who hold a genuinely free speech ideology.

Ive given up on things such as things as rights and hypocrisy.

Ive come to enbrace the fact all humans wish to be the pimp by making everyone else their bitch.

Rules for thee but not for me mindset.

 

[Screamer]

I am left but now I'm apparently not left because I dont bend the knee to gender and race politics, to neolib billionaires, to mass censorship and to the sniffer in chief

I was practically the only kid at school who opposed the iraq war and now I get lectured by troonies who back then were total chickenhawks

So fuck it, the left is dead

It's not the left anymore. We need to somehow shift from this left/right dynamic.

People who in the '00s were for the Iraq war and pro-torture, I was not. They now yell at me when I disagree with woke dogmas. The same way they'd yell at me for thinking torture, bombing civilians, rendition and indefinite detention was bad. The whole left-right thing is corrupted.

I think this is the frustrating part, I am not on the right, but large parts of the left has gone insane. So who is there? I think you have more room and space on the left for better people, but currently, there's this insanity going on which makes you not like them. Luckily in my country, it's not as bad as the USA, yet.

 

[DeadFish]

It's not the left anymore. We need to somehow shift from this left/right dynamic.

People who in the '00s were for the Iraq war and pro-torture, I was not. They now yell at me when I disagree with woke dogmas. The same way they'd yell at me for thinking torture, bombing civilians, rendition and indefinite detention was bad. The whole left-right thing is corrupted.

I think this is the frustrating part, I am not on the right, but large parts of the left has gone insane. So who is there? I think you have more room and space on the left for better people, but currently, there's this insanity going on which makes you not like them. Luckily in my country, it's not as bad as the USA, yet.

I have a few ideas how to get away from it if you dont mind me gibbering like a retard

 

[cybertoaster]

It's not the left anymore. We need to somehow shift from this left/right dynamic.

People who in the '00s were for the Iraq war and pro-torture, I was not. They now yell at me when I disagree with woke dogmas. The same way they'd yell at me for thinking torture, bombing civilians, rendition and indefinite detention was bad. The whole left-right thing is corrupted.

I think this is the frustrating part, I am not on the right, but large parts of the left has gone insane. So who is there? I think you have more room and space on the left for better people, but currently, there's this insanity going on which makes you not like them. Luckily in my country, it's not as bad as the USA, yet.

Which country?

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

The far left is just a bunch of neo church ladies complete with racism, sexism and censorship.

I'm against all that, no matter whether it's the right or left pushing it. The left is currently pushing it harder and has more influence, therefore I now lean right.

Also, as someone who ranks pretty high on the progressive stack, having my existence used as a tool by politicians feels personally insulting. I've never felt much oppression despite the far left insisting it's something every minority experiences daily. Their obnoxious race/sex sperging is also creating more right wing racists/sexists which could be dangerous to my wellbeing, so...

 

[Odnovo]

It's not the left anymore. We need to somehow shift from this left/right dynamic.

People who in the '00s were for the Iraq war and pro-torture, I was not. They now yell at me when I disagree with woke dogmas. The same way they'd yell at me for thinking torture, bombing civilians, rendition and indefinite detention was bad. The whole left-right thing is corrupted.

I think this is the frustrating part, I am not on the right, but large parts of the left has gone insane. So who is there? I think you have more room and space on the left for better people, but currently, there's this insanity going on which makes you not like them. Luckily in my country, it's not as bad as the USA, yet.

I personally think that it can be more accurately divided between the haves and the have-nots, although perhaps that is an over-simplification.

 

[TFT-A9]

It's not the left anymore. We need to somehow shift from this left/right dynamic.

People who in the '00s were for the Iraq war and pro-torture, I was not. They now yell at me when I disagree with woke dogmas. The same way they'd yell at me for thinking torture, bombing civilians, rendition and indefinite detention was bad. The whole left-right thing is corrupted.

I think this is the frustrating part, I am not on the right, but large parts of the left has gone insane. So who is there? I think you have more room and space on the left for better people, but currently, there's this insanity going on which makes you not like them. Luckily in my country, it's not as bad as the USA, yet.

We've needed to do that for a long time now, but it's way more convenient for certain people to just draw up two camps to separate people that might otherwise be able to come to amicable agreements and then set them at each others' throats

 

[Standardized Profile]

I can't find the quote, but a Democratic senator once said something like, "The fundamental belief of the right is that human nature does not change. The fundamental belief of the left is that government can change human nature."

No. Fuck you. I don't want other people to change my nature, or the nature of humanity generally. And anyone who wants to do this by force is ipso facto delusional and evil, which I think describes the left, or at least the successful ones. And government is force. They can give it friendly names like "human services" and "justice," but at the end of the day it's all people with the power to destroy you if you don't go along with their demands.

That's the elite of the left. The average leftist, I think, is driven more by resentment. They mask their resentment with a show of sympathy: "I hate you because you hurt people," but it's always a very narrowly-defined sympathy, one that allows them to hate the people who they secretly blame for their own misfortune. You can never have a rational discussion with these people because their stated rationale for leftist policies is a sham constructed to hide their self-interest. This comes out when they criticize right-wing voters for "voting against their self-interest." Because for them, that's the beginning and end of policy preferences: self-interest.

 

[TFT-A9]

I can't find the quote, but a Democratic senator once said something like, "The fundamental belief of the right is that human nature does not change. The fundamental belief of the left is that government can change human nature."

No. Fuck you. I don't want other people to change my nature, or the nature of humanity generally. And anyone who wants to do this by force is ipso facto delusional and evil, which I think describes the left, or at least the successful ones. And government is force. They can give it friendly names like "human services" and "justice," but at the end of the day it's all people with the power to destroy you if you don't go along with their demands.

That's the elite of the left. The average leftist, I think, is driven more by resentment. They mask their resentment with a show of sympathy: "I hate you because you hurt people," but it's always a very narrowly-defined sympathy, one that allows them to hate the people who they secretly blame for their own misfortune. You can never have a rational discussion with these people because their stated rationale for leftist policies is a sham constructed to hide their self-interest. This comes out when they criticize right-wing voters for "voting against their self-interest." Because for them, that's the beginning and end of policy preferences: self-interest.

The funniest thing about that is that they clearly exempt themselves from being potentially hurtful people. "I would never hurt anyone! I'm a good person!" Spoiler alert, bitches, sometimes shit happens, sometimes you make mistakes, and it's not about never doing harm because that's damn near impossible - it's about minimizing harm and remedying harm done if at all possible. Don't tell me how sorry you are that you hurt someone, either, get off your slacktivist ass and actually fix it.

 

[Odnovo]

The funniest thing about that is that they clearly exempt themselves from being potentially hurtful people. "I would never hurt anyone! I'm a good person!" Spoiler alert, bitches, sometimes shit happens, sometimes you make mistakes, and it's not about never doing harm because that's damn near impossible - it's about minimizing harm and remedying harm done if at all possible. Don't tell me how sorry you are that you hurt someone, either, get off your slacktivist ass and actually fix it.

I personally don't think that most leftists bother to even pretend to believe that anymore, let alone say that. When speaking to them these days, most of them don't even pretend to hide that they have no empathy for you and they refuse to carry out an argument in good faith.

 

[RollerGator]

They're always making excuses for niggers

 

[DeadFish]

The far left is just a bunch of neo church ladies complete with racism, sexism and censorship.
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I'm against all that, no matter whether it's the right or left pushing it. The left is currently pushing it harder and has more influence, therefore I now lean right.

And as someone who should be pretty high on the progressive stack but hasn't experienced much oppression, I find it personally insulting to have my existence used like a tool by politicians and grifters.

Ok so it looks like people are looking for an alternative.

I got a few dingers running around my head.

First the left is about being against capitalism.

Im not against capitalism per say. Im against capitalism when it goes bad. Like it is doing now.

A sign when an incarnation of capitalism is gone bad is how monopolies end up dominating a majority of market share (to the point no competition can form) and can hijack regulatory bodies meant to keep abuses of said companies in check.

Now the left traditionally uses revolution in some shape or form to counter this.

The current problem with the left is its been hijacked by the very forces it seeks to up end.

Thats not good.

So for an anti capitalist one must not be against capitalism but also the current left.

One way to do this is via facist movements. Hell hitler and all that.

Thats not going to work in 21st century America.

One reason (based on my understanding of history) the side which can organize the most diverse coalition of groups and interests usually wins against the one that doesnt.

The left knows this and has gotten very far with this approach.
Going white only trad con is doomed to fail.

Now one can copy the methods the left uses to form coalitions but thats begging to fail. Why would anyone want to follow a cheap knock off movement when theyre already invested in the original?

So that means another approach is required.

The only thing which can bring people together despite differences is money.

To form a counter coalition thats diverse would require paying people to divest themsleves of the current capitalist incarnations systems and be willing to fight the left.

The left does this by forming powerful institutions who via force take other peoples money and redistributes it via welfare programs.

My idea is to create private networks of welfare (as a means to curry favor eith possible converts) or push for the privatization of said welfare programs (as a way to wrestle control away from the state)

Now the question how can one fund these endeavors or achieve them?

Ill explain later.


To be continued...

 

[Screamer]

I can't find the quote, but a Democratic senator once said something like, "The fundamental belief of the right is that human nature does not change. The fundamental belief of the left is that government can change human nature."

That gets right to the social constructionist stuff at the core of the current woke left ideology.

As a civilisation, we've been finding ways to manage human nature to create a better society. The left has been a good driving force of new ideas to push forward. With the right more in favour of the status quo to risk not fucking it up. Both working to balance it out.

Now the woke left has been infected with a lot of bad ideas. It's not about revising the system. It's that the system is inherently flawed, systemically racist etc. Everything works to create oppression. Time to take it down. Start again. Objective facts, human nature etc, all of that is a product of the flawed system.

 

[queerape]

Same thing wrong with the right: a narrow circle jerky worldview born and bred in echo chambers.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

The fact that every time they gain power almost all of their policies have actively made my life worse, usually to benefit people who also make my life worse.