Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[Not A Bunny]

I personally hate people like that, whose self worth is entirely dependent on what other people think of them, rather than what the actual truth of their character is. From my perspective, it’s better to be a good person and have everyone think you’re an asshole, rather than be a shitty person and have everyone think you’re a great guy. But troons don’t think like that, because they’re weak-minded people.

What I hate about transes more than anything else is that they are literally the only group that is allowed to do this.

It is known that there is a psychological baseline for healthy behaviors that have been observed over centuries. Among those healthy behaviors is not demanding everyone around you be complementary and prop up your self-esteem. But somehow, if you're trans, we disregard this baseline and play along. That's worse than treating them like children. It's treating them like they're not even human.

And as important as I think the sports issue is, it seems that more people are concerned with recreational activities than some of the more evil shit these people have done. For example, almost none of my fellow anti-troon family members knew about vandalizing women's rape shelters and nailing dead rats to the door.

What rankles me about the sports thing is that one of the arguments is "you need to teach them how to work in groups and camaraderie". Well, how the fuck you gonna learn about camaraderie if nobody even wants you there? But I'd argue that even the sports argument is evil. There is a phrase I like to employ during that discussion: Identities don't compete, bodies do.

These people know they are using male bodies to compete in sports, and somehow we're allowed to ignore that. That's pretty evil, I think.

The second you tell me that a 12 year old should make a irreversible medical decision, while guilting the parents and everyone around by saying 'oh they WILL kill themselves' is too far.

My answer to that is: if a 12-year-old wants to kill him or herself over that, they need intensive psychological intervention, not medical intervention. Even if the kid is destined for being trans as an adult, there's a disregard for having a healthy mindset to the point where emotional blackmail is the response. I wouldn't want my child to die, but if that's inevitable, I'm not going to spend the rest of my life under the gun of not doing whatever the kid wants under threat of his or her own life.

Kids should learn early that going to emotional terrorism isn't a correct or healthy response to not getting what you want.

 

[Kumquat]

Trannies have bulldozed the lesbian community with their massive hands and wide shoulders. They can't handle the fact that we don't want to participate in their roleplay. I've met three irl and the second they found out I was into women, they started to get especially creepy, not that they weren't already. The entitlement is unreal.

It makes me sick to see troons trying to teach people to "unlearn their genital preferences" (corrective rape) and then everybody celebrates them. Quite honestly, it's downright evil. They know exactly what they're doing and not only are they rewarded through being able to fuel their own sexual pleasure, but are often rewarded financially.

This part especially makes me furious, because for all of their lecturing about how bigoted sexuality is and how we shouldn't have "genital preferences," they themselves refuse to take their own advice. If genital preference is so bad and evil, then why the fuck are you pursuing lesbians? Shouldn't you go find some creepy chaser with a dick? Or a gay man? Or hell, go find yourself another troon and date them, but, oh, right, trannies are all massive hypocrites and never follow their own advice.

It's probably the thing that pisses me off the most about them. They know damn well that the shit they're pushing isn't true. These fuckers aren't dysphoric. There is no body/mind mismatch here. There's no mental discomfort here. It's all a farce. It's an act. It's emotional manipulation and narcissistic domineering to get what they want and it's disgusting. They're like this with everything. Every "argument" they make, every attempt they engage in to try and prove their point, they know it's all bullshit. They know it's not true, not even remotely. I always crack up when I see trannies complain about their dating lives. They always complain about how "transphobic" us evil normal people are, and I'm just like "well, if that's the case, and all of us "cis" people are so evil, why don't you just date other trannies then?" But they'll never do that. Even a tranny will recoil in horror at the prospect of dating another of their own kind, and then go on to use the exact same argument they just decried as bigoted and transphobic only minutes prior. "Well, that's just my preference, teehee!"

Disingenuous, dishonest, narcissistic, manipulative, hypocritical little shit stains, every last one of them.

 

[Jacques1194]

Trannies have bulldozed the lesbian community with their massive hands and wide shoulders. They can't handle the fact that we don't want to participate in their roleplay. I've met three irl and the second they found out I was into women, they started to get especially creepy, not that they weren't already. The entitlement is unreal.

It makes me sick to see troons trying to teach people to "unlearn their genital preferences" (corrective rape) and then everybody celebrates them. Quite honestly, it's downright evil. They know exactly what they're doing and not only are they rewarded through being able to fuel their own sexual pleasure, but are often rewarded financially.

I'm going to post this tweet from another thread.Trannies have done that, and yet if were to take this poll seriously then for some reason the majority of lesbians are ok with this?I'm sorry but I'm skeptical of this poll because on both gay and lesbian subs on reddit, trannies complain about how transphobic lesbian and gays are for refusing to date them.They whine about genital preference from LGBs.Its so fucking hard to find good data from what the majority of LGB people truly feel about the TQ+ because trannies will insist the majority of gays are open to dating trans people, and link to polls like this, but then cry on their subreddits about how hard it is to find a date.Again I'd like data about how divided the community is.

 

[Kumquat]

I'm going to post this tweet from another thread.Trannies have done that, and yet if were to take this poll seriously then for some reason the majority of lesbians are ok with this?I'm sorry but I'm skeptical of this poll because on both gay and lesbian subs on reddit, trannies complain about how transphobic lesbian and gays are for refusing to date them.They whine about genital preference from LGBs.Its so fucking hard to find good data from what the majority of LGB people truly feel about the TQ+ because trannies will insist the majority of gays are open to dating trans people, and link to polls like this, but then cry on their subreddits about how hard it is to find a date.Again I'd like data about how divided the community is. View attachment 5693995

It's pretty simple. Most progressive-types are NIMBYs. Notice the wording of the question. It doesn't say "how interested are you in dating transgender people?" It says "how positively or negatively do you view them?" Most progressive folks, and indeed even some people on this very forum, are of the mindset that says "do whatever you want, just don't involve me," and that's the prevailing mindset among most people in general.

The people on this poll aren't saying they would date a trans person, or that they are sexually attracted to them, they're just saying "oh, trans people? Yeah, they're fine, I don't mind them." I guarantee you if you asked them to have a relationship with one or engage sexually with one, they'd suddenly shift to the opposite and try to come up with a safe, non-bigoted way to say no. "Oh, date them? Oh, uh, I dunno, I mean, I'm not transphobic or anything, but..."

They're all NIMBYs. Do what you want, just don't involve me.

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

With the surge of the modern day tranny, they're making trannies from decades ago seem totally and completely sane by comparison. Not just by lowering the bar of what's acceptable to go out looking like, but just the culture in general. It's parasitical. Think about how every eceleb that's trooned out is now substantially worse because they can't avoid doing trans shit because it's all they want now. Like an autistic child getting obsessed with a brand new TV show.

Every game, every movie, every TV show must have a trans flag or a tranny in it at some point. They must show trans people. The funniest thing is that if "trans women" genuinely think they're women, why do they insist on characters being trans? Isn't just... a normal woman good enough? No. Because they don't see themselves as women. They just love to bully the fuck out of people because they crave your humiliation and submission.

I'm more sympathetic than I should be with maybe 2% of trannies, but only because the growing majority of them are the reason everything sucks now. For comparisons sake, think of the average guy who just so happens to be gay vs the stereotypically gay guy that demands to strut around in assless chaps in parades with their gigantic rainbow flags in front of children. The majority of trannies are now the latter, to the severe detriment to the former. I want to be all "peace and love be who you wanna be" but what they want to be gets in the way of me and my enjoyment of anything. They don't want to make their own culture better, they want to make your things their things and make them fucking terrible and pink and blue coloured.

The only good tranny is the tranny that leaves everyone the fuck alone and none of them want to leave you the fuck alone.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Most progressive folks, and indeed even some people on this very forum, are of the mindset that says "do whatever you want, just don't involve me," and that's the prevailing mindset among most people in general.

In addition to this, their social circle is much more likely to conist of people who visibly approve of troonery at every step. Whether they personally agree or not, they have all almost certainly taken part in the ostracism of anyone who expresses disapproval of the troons, if only to save their own skin.

It's akin to the social pressure that exists in authoritarian dictatorships, where any hint of divergence from social dogma is met with immediate exile and punishment. They say all the right things and gleefully evict anyone who strays in order to prove their own loyalty to the system.

 

[Jacques1194]

It's pretty simple. Most progressive-types are NIMBYs. Notice the wording of the question. It doesn't say "how interested are you in dating transgender people?" It says "how positively or negatively do you view them?" Most progressive folks, and indeed even some people on this very forum, are of the mindset that says "do whatever you want, just don't involve me," and that's the prevailing mindset among most people in general.

The people on this poll aren't saying they would date a trans person, or that they are sexually attracted to them, they're just saying "oh, trans people? Yeah, they're fine, I don't mind them." I guarantee you if you asked them to have a relationship with one or engage sexually with one, they'd suddenly shift to the opposite and try to come up with a safe, non-bigoted way to say no. "Oh, date them? Oh, uh, I dunno, I mean, I'm not transphobic or anything, but..."

Yeah its basically "TRA on the streets,TERF in the sheets" saying.Though tbh even if the poll has nothing to do with dating, I'm still shocked by the support with lesbians, especially with all the stories about how lesbian bars have either been closed down ,or harassed by TIMs for refusing to accept them.Crazy since you'd think lesbians would have the lowest support with everything that has happened.

 

[Fapcop]

I'm going to post this tweet from another thread.Trannies have done that, and yet if were to take this poll seriously then for some reason the majority of lesbians are ok with this?I'm sorry but I'm skeptical of this poll because on both gay and lesbian subs on reddit, trannies complain about how transphobic lesbian and gays are for refusing to date them.They whine about genital preference from LGBs.Its so fucking hard to find good data from what the majority of LGB people truly feel about the TQ+ because trannies will insist the majority of gays are open to dating trans people, and link to polls like this, but then cry on their subreddits about how hard it is to find a date.Again I'd like data about how divided the community is. View attachment 5693995

Just waiting for a radfem to tell me that this is ALL men’s fault, lol!

(And you know, totally not the case that women, especially queer women cape for these freaks and gladly take part in the outrage brigade when someone says that troons are gross predators.)

 

[TruffleSpark]

It's probably the thing that pisses me off the most about them. They know damn well that the shit they're pushing isn't true.

This is the thing that separates troons from every other group of nutjobs imo. They don't even believe their own ideology. Every other group of weirdos from flat earthers to religious fundamentalists to hardcore commies and fascists actually believe what it is they are preaching. Even if it seems insane to outsiders, it makes sense to the true believers. But with troons they don't even see each other as women, the amount of cognitive dissonance they force themselves through is incredible.
This is why the question "what is a woman?" is impossible for them to give a coherent answer to. It'snot because they don't know what a woman is, it's because they do. But they know that admitting that demolishes their entire ideology.

 

[Not A Bunny]

This is why the question "what is a woman?" is impossible for them to give a coherent answer to. It'snot because they don't know what a woman is, it's because they do. But they know that admitting that demolishes their entire ideology.

It's also why they are compelled despite all logic and reason to force men into women's spaces. If any part of their narrative suggests there might be a difference between a trans woman and a woman, their ideological enemies have a foot in the door that will swing wide open instantly.

 

[TruffleSpark]

It's also why they are compelled despite all logic and reason to force men into women's spaces. If any part of their narrative suggests there might be a difference between a trans woman and a woman, their ideological enemies have a foot in the door that will swing wide open instantly.

I used to tolerate troons because I thought they were harmless weirdos. Once I realised some of them are sexual predators who transition just so they can harass women it didn't take long to for the entire ideology to fall apart in my eyes. Even completely heinous shit like putting male rapists in female prisons has to be defended. Because if you admit there is a difference between males and females in one context you are admitting there is a difference in every context. Because once you let the first domino fall in someone's mind it's only a matter of time until the rest of them fall.

 

[Kumquat]

It's also why they are compelled despite all logic and reason to force men into women's spaces. If any part of their narrative suggests there might be a difference between a trans woman and a woman, their ideological enemies have a foot in the door that will swing wide open instantly.

It's why they vehemently shut down all dissent and debate on the subject. When a person - or a group of people - have to resort to censorship to maintain their beliefs, that's almost always a sure sign that their ideology cannot stand up to scrutiny. These people have absolutely no coherent or logical argument; everything they say contradicts something else they've said. They know this, so they have to shut you up and keep you from speaking. It's like if a team of little leaguers were going to play against a professional MLB team, proclaiming all the while "LITTLE LEAGUERS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS MLB PLAYERS!" Everybody knows that the little leaguers would be absolutely demolished in that matchup, so they instead just... prevent the opposing team from playing and win on technicality, proclaiming themselves the victors.

I used to tolerate troons because I thought they were harmless weirdos. Once I realised some of them are sexual predators who transition just so they can harass women it didn't take long to for the entire ideology to fall apart in my eyes. Even completely heinous shit like putting male rapists in female prisons has to be defended. Because if you admit there is a difference between males and females in one context you are admitting there is a difference in every context. Because once you let the first domino fall in someone's mind it's only a matter of time until the rest of them fall.

It's a very precarious house of cards they've built. All it takes is one card removed to make the entire structure fall apart, which is once again why they must absolutely silence any and all dissent. Even detransitioners, former allies, must be thrown under the bus and silenced. It's why they fight so hard against this forum and anybody else who challenges them. It's why people like Matt Walsh need 24/7 armed security around their house. Nobody who challenges the narrative can be allowed to speak.

 

[Jacques1194]

I've stated quite a few times that its not just trans shit that's getting to be an issue to me, its LGBTQ shit in fandoms that's getting annoying.I know I said a year ago I got back into South Park, and I have friends who are involved in it.Even some of them claim these teens are getting annoying(even this lesbian and bi women agreed)because LGBTQ headcanons its all they ever talk about.What I find very odd is that there's a part of the fandom with female fans who are tired of the show not doing anything with the female 4th grade characters, and try to come up with headcanons for them, and promote them.Get this though, half the fucking time they headcanon the girls as non female genders like non binary,bigender,or genderfluid (they even love making headcanons about wendyl who is wendy's boy counterpart), and its like how can you claim that you want the show to do more with the female characters when 90% of the time you headcanon them as a non girl gender?Then again I think they don't actually believe the trans stuff despite being obsessed with it, because I do remember them being insulted when Panderverse was announced, and they made all the boy's character girls in another universe.Despite the fact that it was a female version of the boys.Makes me believe that if the show ever actually trolled them by making all the boy's trans girls then they'd get angry because its not the actual girl characters.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I've stated quite a few times that its not just trans shit that's getting to be an issue to me, its LGBTQ shit in fandoms that's getting annoying.I know I said a year ago I got back into South Park, and I have friends who are involved in it.Even some of them claim these teens are getting annoying(even this lesbian and bi women agreed)because LGBTQ headcanons its all they ever talk about.

Ironically, I think most of the people who do that are straight. The metrosexual/crab people episode of South Park perfectly captures straight people taking over gay spaces because gay became trendy. Like, it nails the social contagion aspect so well.

 

[my hole is huge]

also the fact that for all intents and purposes and from where im standing troonery has taken on the shape of something more akin to a cult/religion and its flagrantly obvious and yet their insane beliefs are not (by the believe the science, militantly atheistic libs no less) subject to the whole "separation of church & state," thing... the way troons and allies continue to push for "trans rights" because of how they feel about it and a degree of misplaced sympathy. its as though being "born trans" () is the absolute epitome of misfortune and were all supposed to be like yea that tracks what a raw fucken deal im so sorry for you, wow wow wow i cant imagine. as if first world troonism isn't largely predicated on having a cushy enough middle class life to sit around and conjure up a New & Self Important Schizophrenia. idle mind the devils playground indeed.

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and i can imagine, thats the thing. i grew up a tomboy, still am behaviorally in a lot of ways and in my interests. was always rough n tumble, loved the outdoors, catching bugs&lizards, learning about tools etc. I have some lite autist traits as far as bluntness and affect so i also wasn't always a huge hit with other girls in elementary/middle but I got over it and learned to seek out other strange women as i got older which stopped me feeling so disconnected from my sex. had i been born 5 years later they may have gotten me. i know many other young women (young millenial/gen z cusp in particular) who feel the same, as though they narrowly avoided getting the brain worm, either by timing or by sheer lack of suggestibility, lack of the Essential Autism. was also raised very religious which spared me from a lot of US public school nonsense- harder and harder to not see the argument for a more trad lifestyle.

The fact that you cant offer alternatives to exploring gender dysphoria and theres a singular party line and its that anyone i guess lol is entitled to no holds barred gender affirmation like im getting MATI just typing this and need to log off for a bit but the fact that alternatives to radical life ruining interventions are roundly dismissed and lambasted at ignorant or hateful. on what grounds... so in this one case this mentally ill or traumatized person's worldview and self concept can completely be trusted? it literally makes me think of how my indoor cat will get outside every couple of months and immediately go to play around the street because he wants to zoom around and well a long flat straight place is made for zooming. and then when i snatch him up he gets pissy and maybe hell even sulk the rest of the day. just because he's super mad about it doesn't make his longing for the open road any less misguided or retarded. And lastly the thing that demonstrates the utter stupidity perhaps most clearly is how those who have become medicalized still always, as a point, as their little "Amen," invariably punctuate their horror stories with "But I Dont Regret It, Obviously." Troonism is always underscored by a real gleeful revelry in anything that opposes the natural order of things. if it exists simply and beautifully, without adulteration or perversion, it must be perverted, it must be chewed up by the ideaology in order to become Perfect and New. They worship ugliness.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The fact that you cant offer alternatives to exploring gender dysphoria and theres a singular party line and its that anyone i guess lol is entitled to no holds barred gender affirmation like im getting MATI just typing this and need to log off for a bit but the fact that alternatives to radical life ruining interventions are roundly dismissed and lambasted at ignorant or hateful. on what grounds... so in this one case this mentally ill or traumatized person's worldview and self concept can completely be trusted? it literally makes me think of how my indoor cat will get outside every couple of months and immediately go to play around the street because he wants to zoom around and well a long flat straight place is made for zooming. and then when i snatch him up he gets pissy and maybe hell even sulk the rest of the day. just because he's super mad about it doesn't make his longing for the open road any less misguided or retarded. And lastly the thing that demonstrates the utter stupidity perhaps most clearly is how those who have become medicalized still always, as a point, as their little "Amen," invariably punctuate their horror stories with "But I Dont Regret It, Obviously." Troonism is always underscored by a real gleeful revelry in anything that opposes the natural order of things. if it exists simply and beautifully, without adulteration or perversion, it must be perverted, it must be chewed up by the ideaology in order to become Perfect and New. They worship ugliness.

Their absolute opposition to treating their mental illness with therapy instead of medicalising their bodies reminds me of Scientologists. Way smarter to hand your life savings over to a cult that will fuck your body up.

 

[Demetrius]

First post here -
My issue with troons is the concept itself and its global (well, aside from some places) acception. The idea of being "born as the wrong gender" is on the same level as being a therian or being "trans-racial", yet for some reason it's "SO BRAVE XISTER SLAY!!!!" to declare that you are now a girl and anyone who knows better is a "big, fat meanie!"
Also the community. It just feels so childish in a creepy, almost cult-like way.

 

[Not A Bunny]

The fact that you cant offer alternatives to exploring gender dysphoria and theres a singular party line and its that anyone i guess lol is entitled to no holds barred gender affirmation like im getting MATI just typing this and need to log off for a bit but the fact that alternatives to radical life ruining interventions are roundly dismissed and lambasted at ignorant or hateful. on what grounds... so in this one case this mentally ill or traumatized person's worldview and self concept can completely be trusted?

I take issue anytime the world says there is one and only one solution to a problem. I'm sure I could bet solid money that when the world suddenly snaps to consensus on a thing (or at least a large enough segment of the world so as to look like the entire world), you should be very, very worried that people are only doing this because they are afraid and stopped thinking. Because people who are afraid will stop thinking and hook themselves to the first solution offered to them and will not be swayed without some serious trauma to snap them out of it.

Their absolute opposition to treating their mental illness with therapy instead of medicalising their bodies reminds me of Scientologists. Way smarter to hand your life savings over to a cult that will fuck your body up.

And this positively irks the fuck out of me.

Really think about this in the simplest possible terms: your brain is telling you that you're in the wrong body. Why would you convince yourself of that? And how would you know what the actual "right" body is if you've never had another body? And even if you were 100% right about that, you'd never actually HAVE the right body; you'd have an altered version of the one you had before. And on top of everything else, why would you do -not risk but actually do - horrible harm and trauma to yourself via medical intervention and surgery rather than consider the possibility that it would be less stressful on your body to right your head?

I know, I know, muh conversion therapy. But I think more people with more sense should outline in very, very practical terms what it means to alter your body rather than alter your brain.

In any other time, transitioning would be considered "body horror". Now, it's fucking affirming.

You may as well volunteer as tribute for a Human Centipede. I can no longer be convinced that transitioning would be any healthier.

Also, that isn't the only commonality to Scientology. Scientology thinks of children as mini-adults.

No doubt because L. Ron Hubbard had some wicked pedo vibes.

Same thing with those guys that tell younger women they have "old souls".

Anyone who tries to convince a child they're older than they are has bad fucking intentions. Count it.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Really think about this in the simplest possible terms: your brain is telling you that you're in the wrong body. Why would you convince yourself of that? And how would you know what the actual "right" body is if you've never had another body? And even if you were 100% right about that, you'd never actually HAVE the right body; you'd have an altered version of the one you had before. And on top of everything else, why would you do -not risk but actually do - horrible harm and trauma to yourself via medical intervention and surgery rather than consider the possibility that it would be less stressful on your body to right your head?

Since most of them resist the notion of being "transracial" they somehow know that their right body must be the same race as their current one. Sure I was meant to have a womens body rather than a mans body, that makes sense, but obviously I was meant to have the body of a white woman. Because being a black woman born in the body of a white man, well that would just be silly.

First post here -
My issue with troons is the concept itself and its global (well, aside from some places) acception. The idea of being "born as the wrong gender" is on the same level as being a therian or being "trans-racial", yet for some reason it's "SO BRAVE XISTER SLAY!!!!" to declare that you are now a girl and anyone who knows better is a "big, fat meanie!"
Also the community. It just feels so childish in a creepy, almost cult-like way.

they still don't have a real response to the attack helicopter joke

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I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Apache" and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

that's a 10 year old joke and it still makes them mald

 

[Jacques1194]

they still don't have a real response to the attack helicopter joke

Honestly, its not the attack helicopter joke that gets me.Troons claim its used for mockery and yet tumblr users have been making up so many genders that its hard to make jokes like the attack helicopter one when they write the jokes themselves.For example,we now have genders like "Catgender", or any xenogenders, and you never see any TRA try to call out those genders.It goes back into the whole truscum vs tucute war going on.Its like "You people claim that the attack helicopter joke is mockery, and yet you accept catgenders?The jokes write themselves."