Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[Autistic Orson Welles]

I have too many problems with troons to reasonably list, but lately I've been struggling with a number of serious chronic health issues, and when I browse the various BP threads I can't get over the fact that these people are doing these things to themselves.

Let's imagine you came down with a disease. It's genetic. There's nothing you could have done. The symptoms include osteoporosis, terrible acne, IQ hemorrhaging, and genital necrosis. At advanced stages your penis inverts itself and becomes a stinkditch. You will have to shove a pencil into your rotting axewound for the rest of your life, lest it close up, and you will inevitably be sterilized. Just to stay alive you have to take aggressive supplements every day--forever--and your risk for just about every comorbidity will permanently go through the roof.

You would regard this disease as one of the worst possible afflictions imaginable. You'd rather have any issue at all than this one. Normal people would commit suicide before enduring this existence for long. But fucking troons do it all to themselves.

My life has been ruined my doctors and medicalization. I basically live in hospitals and have since I was a kid. I have to have regular operations. It fucking sucks. I'll never be healthy. I would not even wish this kind of life on Dylvan Mulvaney. And these deranged motherfuckers, against all common sense, voluntarily subject themselves to it?

It sounds stupid, because they get what they deserve, but this honestly makes me hate them more than anything else.

But it's not just that. It's that, in addition to ruining their good (physical) health, these fucking retards usually have no worse problem in their lives than that they look ugly. If you go through Trannies Posting their Ls, what's the big complaint?

"I don't pass."
"I don't like what I see in the mirror."
"I'm in the wrong body."
"I don't like being perceived as feminine; that's why I need testosterone."

In other words: "I don't like that I perceive myself as ugly." What could "dysphoria" possibly be except the feeling of being ugly? It makes no sense in any other context.

Jesus Christ, I wish being ugly was the biggest problem in my life. What a tragic fucking existence, to have to go through life as an ugly person. Who would ever have to endure that? It's truly inhumane.

I just can't imagine how vapid, shallow, and content I would have to be in life for being ugly to be my biggest problem. I'd take looking like Shrek over permanent, debilitating illness any day. But these coomers are so disgusting and briandead that they would actually subject themselves to lives of permanent agony before they accept an existence where not everyone they meet wants to fuck them.

It's obvious, but the more I think about troonism in these terms, the more it seems like nothing but a cult of narcissism and vanity. These are mostly middle- and upper-middle class people who have decided to invent problems to fill their boring lives. It makes me sick.

 

[TruffleSpark]

In other words: "I don't like that I perceive myself as ugly." What could "dysphoria" possibly be except the feeling of being ugly? It makes no sense in any other context.

I think there's body dysphoria, which is this, and social dysphoria, which is mainly not wanting to fill the social role you feel has been assinged to you because of your sex. Which is also stupid, these people have a weirdly rigid view of gender roles. I just want to shake them and say "you can just do things, these are boy things or girl things, they are just things." But they refuse to learn this.

It's obvious, but the more I think about troonism in these terms, the more it seems like nothing but a cult of narcissism and vanity. These are mostly middle- and upper-middle class people who have decided to invent problems to fill their boring lives. It makes me sick.

Yeah that's the crux of it. They neurotocize themselves into this because they have nothing else going on in their lives.

 

[Coelacanth]

@Autistic Orson Welles your post hit home extremely hard. I'm in a similar situation to you, though I won't go into it too much because TMI, and it is painfully frustrating to see FtMs get excited over the prospect of having a hysterectomy or taking testosterone. Even worse is that the NHS genuinely doesn't seem to care about how severe our health issues are (even the doctors make it feel like it's your fault for being frustrated), and yet will bend over backwards to get a preteen on hormone replacement therapy, rushing them through the waiting list and giving them top priority over those like us who need serious medical attention. It's exhausting.

I'd be happy to talk more about health issues in private messages if anybody just needs to vent as well. It would be nice to know there's others out there who vocally feel the same, even if they're posting on a site dedicated to making fun of autism.

 

[TruffleSpark]

@Autistic Orson Welles your post hit home extremely hard. I'm in a similar situation to you, though I won't go into it too much because TMI, and it is painfully frustrating to see FtMs get excited over the prospect of having a hysterectomy or taking testosterone. Even worse is that the NHS genuinely doesn't seem to care about how severe our health issues are (even the doctors make it feel like it's your fault for being frustrated), and yet will bend over backwards to get a preteen on hormone replacement therapy, rushing them through the waiting list and giving them top priority over those like us who need serious medical attention. It's exhausting.

I'd be happy to talk more about health issues in private messages if anybody just needs to vent as well. It would be nice to know there's others out there who vocally feel the same, even if they're posting on a site dedicated to making fun of autism.

Here's a whole ass tumblr post about the health functions of a uterus.

https://www.tumblr.com/pillarsalt/704848382124048384?source=branch

They're not just baby makers, they serve all sorts of functions to keep a body healthy. Yes, they are not necessary for life, but it's stupid to get a hysterectomy if there's no immediate medical reason for it. The fact that this is being encouraged is ghoulish.

 

[Afinepickle]

For me it all boils down to their insistence upon either sexualizing children directly or that they need to act out lude and sexually suggestive pantomime around children and their insistence that everyone who has a problem with this is a bigot.

There's a whole lot more that I hate about them but that one sticking point overshadows the rest to the point of them effectively being moot.

 

[Niggernerd]

Them constantly fucking with children while denying it with a straight face.
Their insisting I just ignore reality to play make believe to make them feel better.
They're uncanny to look at and frankly I just really hate looking at ugly.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Them constantly fucking with children while denying it with a straight face.
Their insisting I just ignore reality to play make believe to make them feel better.
They're uncanny to look at and frankly I just really hate looking at ugly.

Pretending that you aren't doing something that you know everyone say you do is such textbook narcissism. And somehow it works, if you lie with enough confidence about something obviously untrue you can make other people doubt their own sense of reality.

 

[Niggernerd]

Pretending that you aren't doing something that you know everyone say you do is such textbook narcissism. And somehow it works, if you lie with enough confidence about something obviously untrue you can make other people doubt their own sense of reality.

And somehow they convince some people that YOU who are calling them out are the real crazy weirdo. The argument "why do you care about what's in their pants broo" is such a disingenuous argument. They know exactly why many people have a problem with their shit and instead of calling out the "bad ones" they just act smug about it because they believe you can't do anything without facing the societal consequences

 

[Jacques1194]

Actually had a thought about this.The way they're hostile to transracial people and a few other non gender trans related people.Dont get me wrong the concept of transracial and especially transspecies is ridiculous, but i honestly never understood why the trans community was hostile to people who claim to be transracial at least.Wouldn't they want to support it because wouldn't it validate transgenderism more?There are people who probably do feel alienated with their race, and hell the concept of race itself is a social construct.As such, if trans race was an actual thing it would actually make the concept of transgender more believable.Instead the trans community wants us to believe that such a concept is ridiculous and insane.The only time where someone is really born into the wrong body is if a person feels alienated from their sex.They'll say a white man who wants to live in Japan isn't really a japanese man trapped inside a white man's body even if he strongly connected to their culture, but if a boy wanted to wear dresses and do makeup then he's really a girl?Like i said one can't be possible, and the other one cant be because it begs the question of why it only works with sex.Especially if we live in a naturalistic world.

 

[goat sneed]

It's a never-ending cycle:

• If it’s not a mental disorder, why do so many of them require perpetual medical treatment?
• If you don’t need dysphoria to be trans, why are surgeries and hormones so common and recommended?
• If adults can be trans without any medicalization, why do “trans kids“ need medicalization?
• If passing isn’t important at all, why do kids need to be medicalized so they can allegedly pass better as adults?
• If trans people think "passing" is the same as becoming the opposite sex, doesn't it invalidate the identity of those who cannot pass?
• If we think the discomfort MtFs face in men's toilets is significant, why can’t we extend this sympathy to all the women that feel uncomfortable with MtFs in their toilets?
• If there’s no real differences between men and women, how do MtFs identify as women at all?
• If you can't define "woman" as the female sex, why do MtFs get surgery that mimicks exclusively female sex organs to "become" a woman?
• If being trans is one’s authentic, internal sense of self, why does it matter if someone else uses the ”wrong” pronoun?
• If everyone else needs to include trans people in their dating pool, why do 99% of them only want to fuck “cis” people?
• If trans women are such frequent victims of "trans panic" (straight men killing them before/after having sex) why does trans culture promote promiscuity, prostitution and general hedonism so much? Wouldn't that get more trans women killed?
• If "trans panic" is so common and dangerous, why do so many transes insist that they should be able to have sex without disclosing their identity? Wouldn't this lead to more instances of "trans panic"?
• If we want to save trans kids, why are we giving them drugs that have never been thoroughly tested in children before?
• If "surgeries are never given to kids", why did Kim Petras, Jackie Green and Jazz Jennings all have their procedures done before the age of 18? (all celebrated figures in the community btw)
• If "those things" never happen, why do they keep happening?

 

[barbie meat]

I was more or less indifferent like a good little liberal (I'm a bisexual woman who's mostly dated women, and I grew up in a blue state so me being liberal was quite literally "default") until I started seeing the rot within up close. I have the misfortune of being related to someone who sexually molested a child in our family as a young man. He was exiled from the family for this. Now in his mid 30s, he is transitioning to "a woman", and my personal theory is he is trying to weasel his way out of being seen as a sexually violent male for the rest of his life. This absolute troglodyte is 6'7", by the way. He is now married to a hambeast of a handmaiden who apparently knows about him being a diddler and forgives him. Even though the kid whose life he ruined doesn't.

I wish cases like his were rare, but they are not. In fact, MtF's have been proven to be much more sexually violent and commit more rapes and child molestation than your average man. Seeing him transition opened my eyes and I started noticing how he and people like him are not the exception, but the rule, within the trans "community". It's extra depressing considering that while most MtF's are diddlers, most FtM's are previously-diddled, and yet they are expected to love and support their trans "sisters" and pretend this isn't the case.

 

[cybertoaster]

Mr. Beast troon also putting his child in women's shoes and saying something along the lines of slay queen, my memory is fuzzy.

Saw that, and the tweet under his IRL name praising shadman for his drawings of little girls getting molested by dogs.

Yeah its real...

My life has been ruined my doctors and medicalization. I basically live in hospitals and have since I was a kid. I have to have regular operations.

What is it? Cystic fibrosis?

the more it seems like nothing but a cult of narcissism and vanity.

That's exactly how trannies (and pooners, and lesbians, and gays) where classified by psychoanalysis before the LGTV+ lobby forced them to change it.

and instead of calling out the "bad ones" they just act smug about it because they believe you can't do anything without facing the societal consequences

I can think of a number of other groups that do the same...

 

[CorporateMemphis]

They are teaching lies to children in the media and at school. Male and female are biological realities not feelings. It took serious work to undo the incorrect information conveyed to my child at school by teachers and peers. Every time she mentions the word "gender" I clench my teeth and think about "Irreversible Damage." It makes me want to emigrate to Papua New Guinea or China or some other country unaffected by gender ideology.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Just the perennial fuzzy logic of the movement. The circular reasoning, the vague "umbrella" terms, the constant motte and bailey fallacies. There's been a lot of discussion here about how autists are vulnerable to trooning out. But with me if anything I think it inoculated me from ever being a full on "pronouns i bio" gendie. I hate uncertainty. I try to be as precise as possible in the words I use and it frustrates me no end when other people refuse to do the same. But this whole ideology is built around the idea that words don't have definite meanings. Nothing ever means anything specific, everything just kind of vaguely alludes to things. It's maddening. It makes communication impossible because you can never know exactly what someone means when they use certain words.

 

[Muskcarpone]

It reminds me of a time in the 70s, when apparently everybody was convinced that telepathy, UFOs and spoon bending were real. Throughout society, from the uneducated to academics, most people genuinely believed 2nd rate magicians and con men like Uri Geller had real supernatural abilities or that Erich von Daeniken was really on to something.

This was possible because the idea of living in a world with telepathy, alien astronauts, seances, etc is much more appealing than living in one without. So people suspended disbelief because they just wanted to believe.

Same with the spread of transgender ideology. Wouldn't it be marvellous if we could all just become whatever we dream of? That we are not held back by our physical bodies but can instead submit realities to our will?

Of course it would be, and that's why gender ideology has so much support even though it is utter nonsense. Hopefully this bubble of irrationality will eventually burst like the new age one did and only live on on the margins of society. Here's to hope!

 

[Jacques1194]

I've seen someone say this that has been said before but i'll choose to bring it up again.It tells people who need mental health assistance that they should pursue something impossible.Gender/sex changes are impossible.Cutting off certain organs wont turn you into the opposite gender/sex.TRAs excuse for why the suicide rate is still high even after transitioning is because of "discrimination" and "lack of acceptance".Truth is you can't blame society when a straight man, and lesbian dont want to date a biological man.Also if someone does something as simply as misgender you, and that's enough for you to have suicidal thoughts then have you ever thought that maybe you know deep down your identity is wrong?I've never herd of a religious person threaten suicide or start having doubts about Jesus if an atheist told them that they didn't believe in a god.This is why SELF ACCEPTANCE is the only option no matter how much trans people kick and scream because the opposite is literally demanding the impossible.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

The drama with Jake and Hugo has made me realise yet another thing I despise about trannies - MTF trannies in particular - and that's how insidiously predatory they are. They're devious. They inveigle their way into relationships, communities, people's lives, seemingly operating entirely for their own benefit, and just seem to bide their time until their true intentions, which will almost always be sexual in nature, can either emerge or be exposed.

Whether that's your husband of ten years with whom you have two young children suddenly declaring that they always knew they were a woman and you have to let them wear your underwear now and call them 'Jennifer' or they'll divorce you and take everything you have, you hateful TERF bitch, like we see countless examples of in the Troon Relationship Fuckups thread, or the shy, nerdy boy you were nice to once because he didn't have any friends who you find out later fixated on you to the point of literally wanting to take your name and wear your skin like Erin Reed, or the socially retarded overweight dork who pretended to be your friend for years and used to make "Ha ha, how funny and silly that people would think that, amirite, babes?" jokes about people shipping the two of you, who was secretly wishing for years and years that you'd bend him over and fucc him in his little boipussy like Hugo.

They prey on people's good and generous nature's, wait until the point where it would be most inconvenient or awkward or potentially damaging to do anything about them, then just press their luck further and further until they get what they want or someone firmly tells them "No," at which point they SuprisedPikachuface.jpeg and proceed to bawl about how evil and hateful and transphobic you are for establishing a boundary.

 

[Muttley]

The government struggles to get me to participate in shit I have to do, and they have guns and legal consequences.

And that's my biggest problem, trannies think they can force me to participate.
Which is especially ridiculous when they don't even have guns at any kind of appreciable scale.

 

[Kilo Riley]

The sheer narcissism.

Without power leveling too much, my field of work nowadays is full of gender specials. Some of them are just confused women and socially isolated man children who have been all but groomed into their current state. I do not hate them, I pity them. I try to avoid them unless I think I can steer them away from their destructive tendencies, but nowadays it’s near impossible.

Because of HIM, or HER. You know them. The ugly, barely-presentable troglodyte who 10 years ago would have been just another incel or mean girl orbiter who wasn’t pretty enough to sit at the popular girl’s table. The ones with that acquired situational narcissism that because they’re the ‘oppressed class’ now, the world, the industry, everything in their life revolves around them. They are the protagonist, you see. Failing to entertain their delusions enthusiastically enough, outperforming them in your chosen field as either a natural man or a natural woman is next to a hate crime, and never are they seen without a case of ye-olde-borderline-personality disorder.

I can be there for a misguided person who’s had a tough life and is confused and exposed to bad influences. I can support that kind of person, I can rock with a little bit of delusion because it’s not healthy, but it comes from a place of pain and it’s something that can be helped. Or at least, it could be, before every other tranny became a narcissistic groomer who gets their jollies by gaslighting their friends and other impressionable and vulnerable people into mutilating themselves.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Holy shit this hit 30 pages? Fuck I got some reading to do!