Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[Triple Flutz]

I actually looked for my post on the BP equivalent of this thread, lol. The peak trans one, if anyone is interested. This thread hasn't shown up before as I browsed the site, and it's been a year or two.

I've never particularly cared what other people do, I've gotten along with people even if I don't particularly agree with their life choices as long as they're fine with me not concealing my beliefs and I kind of had planned on living my life this whole way. I had this one trans acquaintance some years ago who I thought was smart and interesting, so despite my belief that bolt-ons and flayed penis to cure gender dysphoria makes about as much sense as lipo for anorexia, I thought we were cool and I was happy to carry on discussions once in a while. They ended up not feeling that way after some time, and our association ended. I was quite sad about it at the time.
It’s really not a huge peak trans moment, but it made me reconsider my stance about friendships with people who are morally incompatible with me, and it led me to notice more and more often how people who think like me about trans issues are the ones expected to not only censor ourselves if not change our beliefs to make others more comfortable, but we apparently also can’t even say this shit on our own platforms that we create. I’m not okay with that, so I just now don't form associations with people whose intrinsic qualities I find distasteful because it isn't fair to either them or me and because I think that specifically trans activism is in and of itself harmful. I've also noticed that I get more uptight every year so I don't think I could replicate this sort of friendship anymore even if I tried.

FWIW, since I've written this, I have indeed gotten a bit more uptight, and this specific person has been alienating more and more normal people, and I'm not even either young or old-old yet so our mutual acquaintances aren't exactly chuds. Troons really are digging their own graves. I hope I get to see the tides turn.

 

[Not A Bunny]

The ruling that "trans-women are women".

There are clear circumstances where this is an unacceptable stance to take.

And more to the point, the "women" in these circumstances show so little empathy - and a willful lack of self-awareness - for the spaces and identities they claim to want to occupy.

You want to be a woman? At least give five minutes to listen to it when a natural-born woman might actually have a problem with you, so you can better understand what being a woman actually is.

 

[Roxanne Wolf]

My issue with troons is that there aren't more of them like @Murry Loon (my favorite fruity funny animal)

 

[A.P. Hill]

For me it's the behavior of AGPs and their obvious fetish of forcing people to "affirm" them, using their unearned social power to threaten the vulnerable with ruin if they don't. Watching some 6'4" linebacker-like guy in a stringy wig clearly getting off on barging into the ladies' locker room or threatening a tiny grandmother or trying to force Christians to blaspheme sickens me.

It's not even the perversion or the denial of reality. It's the narcissism of these people, who walk around thinking that they are the gods of this world when the only reason they have any social power to speak of is astroturfing by a political and social elite that also means there's little chance that they will ever be held accountable for their creepy behavior.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The ruling that "trans-women are women".

They say this, and then when you ask what a woman is they are left completely flat footed. It's such a perfect question because once you have divorced "woman" from actual biology all you are left with is sexist stereotypes and circular reasoning.

 

[retard strength II]

Narcissists. Pedophiles and child groomers. Shameless sex/porn addicts. Perverts. Misogynists. No-boundary creeps.

All things I hate. Under trannies, the venn diagram of these things creates a perfect single circle.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Also not being able to turn a goddamn corner on the internet without being met with troonery or poonery, whether in the form of character headcanons, porn (tagged or untagged), or politics. If only there was a way to just not have to ever come across it.

This is something I have been thinking about more and more recently.

I remember there was a copypasta (which I have, annoyingly, been completely unable to find!), back in the day about 'why people hate /pol/' - that it wasn't that they were speaking uncomfortable truths and had to be silenced, or that they were shocking the normies with their racism or whatever, it was that they are completely unable to contain their autism - they can't stay on their retarded containment board, they come into other threads and shit them up with their retarded takes and opinions, sperging about Jews or whatever.

Going back, that was one of the main reasons people had an issue with furries as well, just a complete inability to contain their own shit and shut the fuck up about it. They rolled in that shit like a dog in it's own faeces, then wondered why everybody wanted them to fuck off.

Bronies were very similar too. There was a time when you literally couldn't move on 4chan without some faggot posting a picture of a pastel-coloured equine creature with Impact font superimposed onto the top, trying to force it into a meme. "Mods are asleep, post ponies!" they'd shout.

Now I think a lot about that quote that 'trannies don't live rent free in your head, they kick down the door and then shit in the middle of the carpet.'

My personal belief is that these particular groups - /pol/tards, bronies, furries and trannies - are all the same people, their priorities and autistic fixations have just shifted. That's why they all exhibit this sort of behavior. At the least, I imagine you could probably draw a Venn diagram.

It's an inability or an unwillingness to respect people's boundaries.

 

[Jacques1194]

Also not being able to turn a goddamn corner on the internet without being met with troonery or poonery, whether in the form of character headcanons, porn (tagged or untagged), or politics. If only there was a way to just not have to ever come across it.

The character headcanons thing is exactly why i had to take a step back from the modern day South Park fandom.Hell it made me question why i'm a fan.Literally not a day goes by without seeing some young troons(usually teenage girls to young adult women who identify as some special gender or trans men)head canon all the characters as LGBTQ.Mind you these same fans go full berserk mode if you dare headcanon Tweek and Craig as anything other than gay because "YOU'RE ERASING GAY REP!"Even for characters that aren't even canon LGBT, they take one off scenes or episodes like Marjorine to confirm characters like Butters is trans because "He cross dressed once(was forced to)therefore trans!"I dont even know why these people are even fans because apart from one episode (The Cissy) which was in the grey area for some troons, South Park hasn't been really pro trans.Especially with recent episodes like Board Girls.

 

[PaulBearer]

I hate the abstract threat they pose innocent people with their attempts at propagation, they can't breed to make more of their kind so they prey on the weak of mind and convince them they're something they probably aren't, a road which ends in abject misery in 100% of cases...there is not one troon who is in a better place after mutilating their bodies and to try and drag others down into their misguided hell is a terrible thing to do.

It should be banned completely, even in the 1% of cases that would 'need' it...just live as you are, this is just impossible.

 

[LolRaccoon]

A lot of my feelings about it boil down to pity more than anything else. Not towards people like Keffals or Purple Tinker or psychopaths like that. I couldn't give a shit what they do to themselves. For a lot of people, it breaks my heart to see them believe the only way to fix their disphoria is to permanently warp their body into such a way that will rob them of any true happiness in life.

 

[Castoreum]

I don't have the mental bandwidth to add even more rules for the sake of someone insignificant to me when I'm just trying to figure out how to navigate the already needlessly complex world. Though, this applies to people from all walks of life who make things like political stances, dietary choices, or whatever kinks/sexuality their entire personality.

 

[MeemVoyage]

The character headcanons thing is exactly why i had to take a step back from the modern day South Park fandom.Hell it made me question why i'm a fan.Literally not a day goes by without seeing some young troons(usually teenage girls to young adult women who identify as some special gender or trans men)head canon all the characters as LGBTQ.Mind you these same fans go full berserk mode if you dare headcanon Tweek and Craig as anything other than gay because "YOU'RE ERASING GAY REP!"Even for characters that aren't even canon LGBT, they take one off scenes or episodes like Marjorine to confirm characters like Butters is trans because "He cross dressed once(was forced to)therefore trans!"I dont even know why these people are even fans because apart from one episode (The Cissy) which was in the grey area for some troons, South Park hasn't been really pro trans.Especially with recent episodes like Board Girls.

For fucking South Park of all things holy shit lmao. I'm not in the fandom but have been made aware of the people in it against my will. Goated show until season 16 but with those into it you either get Epstein Island people or people whining about spooky scary troonphobia. Actually troons n poons fuck up every community they go into, saw it with TF2 and it hasn't ceased. Bronies and furries weren't enough apparently, but the other person that drew the parallel hit the nail on the head.

 

[Raisin Bran]

I used to think transwomen were stereotypically always post op and were soupped up on HRT to the point where they somewhat pass as female. But then I found out that the only criteria to become trans is to say you're trans. No surgeries, no HRT, just put on a dress and a wig and you're good to go, those are the rules.

Hilariously some MTF troons let on like they have some esoteric knowledge on being trans but it's likely due to the fact that they're effeminate men who like girly things or they idolize a female fictional character and they desperately want to model themselves after them.

 

[Kumquat]

My fundamental issue with transgenderism is that we don't deal with any other psychological problem in this way. For whatever reason, we have determined that this one, specific mental illness is fundamentally different from everything else, and it's abhorrent.

Imagine if we treated anorexic patients this way. If the anorexic went to the therapist and said "I identify as fat, and all of my destructive choices are my way of affirming that identity," we would rightly push back on that as it is clearly a delusion. We can clearly see the patient is having delusional thoughts. The problem isn't with the body, it's with the mind. We wouldn't dream of saying "well, if that's how you identify, then it's your choice, and we should affirm that identity! Here, I'm prescribing you more laxatives and diet pills, and I'll put you down for a liposuction and gastric bypass surgery in a few months!" Any doctor who did such a thing would be globally condemned, and would probably lose their license over such a thing.

Imagine if we said to the suicidal patient "yeah, you're right, nobody loves you and your life will never improve. I'm prescribing you a lethal dose of cyanide. Take care!" Of course, Canada is already doing this, but most people intrinsically understand that this is horribly unethical and evil. Imagine if we said to the schizophrenic "we will affirm your identity. Here, we're prescribing you a special radio to listen in to the voices in your head and the government spies who have replaced your neighbors. It's your choice!"

The one common thread in nearly every mental illness is delusional thinking. The patient believes in something that is objectively, demonstrably false. If someone said "I identify as a bird, I'm going to go jump off a rooftop to practice my flying," any sane, rational person would intervene and try to get help, and we would tell this person "no, you are not a bird, and if you jump off that roof, you're going to plummet to ground and die because you cannot fly."

Yet, for whatever reason, gender dysphoria is the one exception to this rule. We tell these people that their mental illness is valid and true, we push them to sterilize and mutilate themselves, we encourage them to live out their delusions and make absolute fools out of themselves. There's no proof that this makes them happy, or improves their lives, or even eases their mental symptoms, but we just go along with it anyway. I understand trannies are all pornsick narcissists living out a fetish, but part of me can't even be mad at them, because if it weren't for the so-called doctors and academics at large encouraging this insanity and pretending it's normal, most of these people would keep their silliness to themselves, and would probably recognize they need help. My ire is mainly directed at the medical industry for allowing this lunacy to continue unabated in the name of profits and "inclusion."

 

[Jacques1194]

My fundamental issue with transgenderism is that we don't deal with any other psychological problem in this way. For whatever reason, we have determined that this one, specific mental illness is fundamentally different from everything else, and it's abhorrent.

This is what really bugs me about this.Transgenderism is the only one where their mental illness is them really being born into the wrong body.Nobody would ever dare tell a black kid who thinks he should of been born white that he's really a white boy born into the wrong body.If being born in the wrong body was possible then why is it only when someone thinks they're the opposite sex that they really are?

Yet, for whatever reason, gender dysphoria is the one exception to this rule. We tell these people that their mental illness is valid and true, we push them to sterilize and mutilate themselves, we encourage them to live out their delusions and make absolute fools out of themselves. There's no proof that this makes them happy, or improves their lives, or even eases their mental symptoms, but we just go along with it anyway. I understand trannies are all pornsick narcissists living out a fetish, but part of me can't even be mad at them, because if it weren't for the so-called doctors and academics at large encouraging this insanity and pretending it's normal, most of these people would keep their silliness to themselves, and would probably recognize they need help. My ire is mainly directed at the medical industry for allowing this lunacy to continue unabated in the name of profits and "inclusion."

Even if people want to argue that its different because troons are happy with surgery, and drugs, doesn't that make them delusional?Do most TIMs actually believe getting their testes removed, and penis inverted like a real vagina?Do TIFs believe that chopping off their breasts and getting a rot dog makes them real men?I dont understand how a movement thats built on delusions,lies,deception, and cope is living as your authentic self and should be celebrated.

 

[Jacques1194]

For fucking South Park of all things holy shit lmao. I'm not in the fandom but have been made aware of the people in it against my will. Goated show until season 16 but with those into it you either get Epstein Island people or people whining about spooky scary troonphobia. Actually troons n poons fuck up every community they go into, saw it with TF2 and it hasn't ceased. Bronies and furries weren't enough apparently, but the other person that drew the parallel hit the nail on the head.

Dude its insane how many TIPs are into South Park.Especially the teenager side of the fandom.I've yet to encounter one teen who didn't claim to be a part of the LGBTQ.Anyone who tells you transgenderism or most teens claiming to be LGBTQ in general isn't a social contagion has to explain why only LGBTQ teens are into South Park or at least the majority.

 

[MeemVoyage]

Dude its insane how many TIPs are into South Park.Especially the teenager side of the fandom.I've yet to encounter one teen who didn't claim to be a part of the LGBTQ.Anyone who tells you transgenderism or most teens claiming to be LGBTQ in general isn't a social contagion has to explain why only LGBTQ teens are into South Park or at least the majority.

I mean teenagers have been known to do dumb shit since the beginning of time so I don't really mind nearly as much. Much more likely to just be a phase they'll grow out of, par for the course to want to stand out and be special. Now the adult TIFs are the ones I have gripes with, or rather the way their ideology has its claws in them. And when they're like that with something like South Park, that's when you know you got a looney.

 

[Coelacanth]

Their two-facedness.

My experiences crossing paths with troons has always been the same. They act nice. They act upset when you talk about having a crappy day, they claim they're your friend and act grateful when you accept them for who they are. But the moment they find out your views aren't the same, they either become extremely nasty and try to bully you into staying in line or ghost you and try to get as many of their friends/your friends to unperson you.

 

[FinnSven]

Dude its insane how many TIPs are into South Park.Especially the teenager side of the fandom.I've yet to encounter one teen who didn't claim to be a part of the LGBTQ.Anyone who tells you transgenderism or most teens claiming to be LGBTQ in general isn't a social contagion has to explain why only LGBTQ teens are into South Park or at least the majority.

Could it simply be that they just don’t get it?

A common visual gag or sketch from British alternative comedians in the 80s would have a black person mistreated by police or posh white people.
This wasn’t poking fun at black people, this was demonstrating that the comedians were accusing British society of being institutionally racist.

These days, such jokes done in that way are misunderstood as attempts of laughing at black people suffering because of institutional racism.

It’s possible, but unlikely I admit, that these teenagers think that Matt and Tray are mocking transphobia?

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

They use too much taxpayer money. I'm not even against mentally ill people being on welfare or them being treated with talk therapy and psych meds, but the surgeries are not only primitive and often need revisions but are a waste of money, don't make them happier or fix their issues and some places even cover further procedures like hair removal, FFS, breast implants etc. Meanwhile, a cis woman would be laughed out of the room if she asked for public healthcare to pay for her PCOS laser hair removal, no matter how visually disgusting her facial hair was or how it effected her mental health.
Secondary and interrelated reason is they have normalized a form of medical pseudoscience, even to the point of calling it lifesaving care and actually like it's equal to actual evidence based procedures. Your stinkditch is not equivalent to an MMR vaccine.