Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[AnOminous]

They don't deserve to be a protected class, these are all lifestyle choices of extremely selfish, extremely mentally ill people.

They should be a mocked class, consisting of idiots, and taught for their own good to stop doing that shit.

 

[FinnSven]

These troons typically go into prostitution or other sex work, there is high number of deaths associated with them often confused for bigotry and disgust; in reality they choose to not reveal their actual gender, and often don't reveal till they have tricked an ultimately unwilling partner into having some form of sex with them, obviously this leads to the deceived party being enraged. Many are just killed because sex work is ultimately dangerous and they refuse to get a real job.

Well, I would imagine that these particular Troons exploit the fact that there are chasers and men who are bisexual to a certain extent.

The kinds of clients these Troons get will either be out for a troon, can’t afford a real woman or just are basically unfussy about a blow or hand job.

Troon-Hookers being murdered by clients will rarely be down to clients freaking out over being tricked, it will be the usual kinds of murder that prostitutes in general fall victim too.

Drug debt being the most common, followed by pimps laying down the law, then clients arguing over cost. Maybe some get killed over turf/beats, possibly some are murdered over in-fighting between each other due to tranny hooker drama.

Then possibly there will be a bit of vigilante action, but it’s extremely unusual that vigilante groups seeking to scare prostitutes in general away from their homes actually murder any.

It’s a horrible ghastly world, even more sleazy and terrible than the world of real women prostitutes.

But pity them not. If someone Troons out to be a hooker, they are actively looking for a life of misery, whether they think they are or not.

Anyone who resorts to trooning out to work as a hooker is far far more shameful as that shows how much they have failed at life.

They should be a mocked class, consisting of idiots, and taught for their own good to stop doing that shit.

They should be like a modern day group of village idiot flagellants.

Wandering from town to town, wearing dunce caps representing their understanding of biology, every town coming out to pelt them with stones, rotten fruit and spoiled offal.

 

[TooManyKittens]

If troons could recognize and stay in their lane i wouldn't fucking care.

But that requires a lot of self awareness and sanity that none of them bring to the table, with a good dose of be kind and respect thrown in they aren't capable of.

To wit...
1. You wish to change your name, pronouns, dress and appearance. If you are *over* 18 and not legally mentally incompetent then fucking fine.

But..
2. But that doesn't mean insurance or the govt pays for it
3. That doesn't make bullying illegal or hate speech violence.
4. You get no special privileges what so fucking ever.
5. Society isn't gonna fawn all over you, let you get off the hook for crimes, take down safeguards with children or any fucjing other special uwu shit for you
6. You have 0 rights to female spaces, sports, and reserved spots. None. Zilch. Zero. No erasing women or the word to define them. Fuck right off.
7. we put the old psych gatekeeping back
8. Shut the fuck up its not always about you. No ruining tech, d and d, knitting, paganism or any fucking thing else by making it center and focus you.

In other words everything troons actually want and was laid ground by lefty idpol progressive stack everything is problematic shit that im done with.

Idgaf anymore whats racist because everything is. Everything is transphobic. Everything is problematic. Fucking fine then

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

The EXTREME narcissism. Fucking everything has to be about them. They have to insert themselves into every conversation. Everyone has to play along with their make believe.

They’re worse than gays in this regard. If you tell a fag you don’t care that he’s a fag he’ll actually be glad but this doesn’t work for trannies. They demand you recognize and praise their trannydom 24/7.

It’s like becoming a self absorbed narcissist is a side effect of HRT

 

[TruffleSpark]

They have no sense of proportionality. They think someone being mean to them on twitter is the same as someone trying to kill them. They think that being gatekept out of women's spaces is the same thing as people wanting to kill them. Or at least they claim to believe this. The whole suicide baiting is basically them saying that not reinforcing their delusions is the same thing as wanting them to kill themselves, in other words deadnaming and misgendering are basically attempted murder. I wish they would understand that most people don't wish them actual physical harm, just that we don't have to go along and pretend that 2 + 2 = 5. But when your whole identity is built around a lie then acknowledging the lie kills the identity. And they have such a fragile sense of self that having people notice they are not who they say they are might as well be the same thing as death.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Ever notice how it usually isn't a big burly woman going FtM or a little girly man going MtF? It's usually hulking Bruce Jenner trying to be Kaitlyn or 5ft size 2 Ellen Page trying to be Elliot.

I think it's because if a girl were already tall and broad shouldered and flat, or a guy really short and small framed, they'd have been bullied in school for it and wouldn't have any fantasies of leaning into their insecurity as their entire identity.

So by definition, pretty much the only people who could troon well don't, and the people who do, ironically, were already comfortably members of their own sex

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Ever notice how it usually isn't a big burly woman going FtM or a little girly man going MtF? It's usually hulking Bruce Jenner trying to be Kaitlyn or 5ft size 2 Ellen Page trying to be Elliot.

I think it's because if a girl were already tall and broad shouldered and flat, or a guy really short and small framed, they'd have been bullied in school for it and wouldn't have any fantasies of leaning into their insecurity as their entire identity.

So by definition, pretty much the only people who could troon well don't, and the people who do, ironically, were already comfortably members of their own sex

Honestly I see a lot of manlet MTF's, I've stated before in this thread I believe a lot of troons fail as men, people like Bradley Manning for instance he's 5'2", and talk about failing as a man he got into a fight with his female commanding officer and if the story is correct she knocked him on his ass. He was a prime example as a failure as a man, terrible at his job, getting put in his place physically by a real woman and to top it all off he became the worlds most infamous "disgruntled employee" becoming a traitor to his country for attention. We notice the burly MTF's the most because they are the most obvious of troons and usually the most vocal and demanding of "trans rights" and other bullshit, btw that totally is not a means of forcing their way to make women and little girls uncomfortable. The typical AGP is sexually aroused over people recognizing he should not be in women's clothing. Normally I don't give a fuck what gets people off but, this requires an non-consenting third party. That creepy teacher in Canada with the giant fake breasts is a prime example, he's obviously not dressing that way to make you think he's a woman, what is the next logical reason for wearing huge fake prosthetics? It's because he wants people 50 fucking yards away to know he's a man in women's clothing, a "sissy" into self humiliation; yet again I wouldn't judge but, what he is doing requires, under aged children to compleate his sexual fantasy. Let that sink in for a minute his fetish, requires kids to witness giant fake tits a man is wearing and being disturbed by his chosen appearance. Many many AGP's are sexual predators, they enjoy making people uncomfortable and the reason they are into sissy porn in the first place is because they can't just look at a naked woman and be aroused like normal men, this kind of sexual deviance comes after being bored of "normal porn". This happens to many non troon men with wierd fetish porn but, they are typically ashamed as they should be they are into weird stuff. But the AGP? oh no, he wants you to know he jerks off thinking about the look of disgust you had on your face when you realized he was a man in drag.

We, as a society are too stupid and overly concerned about hurting someone's feelings to do anything. We are so lost in being "woke" nobody ever stopped to ask the creep teacher in Canada "why are you wearing giant fake breasts? Normal women do not have this physical feature, if you are not trying to be a woman doesn't that leave the only explanation is this is a sexual act? You want to live out your fetish in front of minors? Is that what you are trying to achieve?

The guy is either a AGP pedo or trying to proove how wrong this trans experiment has gone.

 

[Nancy]

They're the nuclear bomb of cringe

"I am become hole, destroyer of poons"

 

[LimeRikki]

The normalization of abuser logic in children.

" If you don't let me transition i'm going to kill myself"

Vs

"If you don't do what I want/if you leave me, I'm going to kill myself."

One is an urgent cry for help that we must heed; the other is something that an abusive partner or spouse or ex would say.

Bull -fucking-shit it's the same thing.

Society has decided its OK to reinforce abusive negotiating tactics in children. It sickens me.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

The normalization of abuser logic in children.

" If you don't let me transition i'm going to kill myself"

Vs

"If you don't do what I want/if you leave me, I'm going to kill myself."

One is an urgent cry for help that we must heed; the other is something that an abusive partner or spouse or ex would say.

Bull -fucking-shit it's the same thing.

Society has decided its OK to reinforce abusive negotiating tactics in children. It sickens me.

The moment I encountered troons and troonism, I always thought about the stupid entitled tantrums children have. "Buy me X or Im gonna leave the house" or "Do this X for me or Im going to kill myself" is something fucked up itself coming from children but at least they dont know better, why the fuck is this kind of logic coming from adults?

 

[brocktherock]

They prey on women and children, drive innocent peoole to suicide through lovebombing and bullying, break families, they force others around them to deny basic reality, they leech medical resources from those who need it, they've set back medicine grounded in sex and women's rights by a good few decades, they enable pedoshit, they're fucking ugly smelly eyesores, their ideology lines people of all sexes, races and classes up for the slaughter

Utter abominations, they should all kill themselves except the questioning ones that can still be saved. Chasers get the rope too.

 

[OrionBalls]

They don't bathe during conventions. I get the not washing your hair everyday thing, but scrub your sweaty fucking body off. Shower caps exist.

 

[Jacques1194]

They have no sense of proportionality. They think someone being mean to them on twitter is the same as someone trying to kill them. They think that being gatekept out of women's spaces is the same thing as people wanting to kill them. Or at least they claim to believe this. The whole suicide baiting is basically them saying that not reinforcing their delusions is the same thing as wanting them to kill themselves, in other words deadnaming and misgendering are basically attempted murder. I wish they would understand that most people don't wish them actual physical harm, just that we don't have to go along and pretend that 2 + 2 = 5. But when your whole identity is built around a lie then acknowledging the lie kills the identity. And they have such a fragile sense of self that having people notice they are not who they say they are might as well be the same thing as death.

Recently on Reddit, the only sub that allows criticism against transgenderism made a post about the real reason for the trans suicide rates being high.Of course TRAs blame the suicide rates on people treating them like shit.People made the counter claim that other groups like black people,jewish people, and other groups dont have near the same suicide rate like trans people do.TRAs then argued that those groups have major support groups compared to transgender people.(Even though trans people literally have the backing of the government,msm,political left,major corporations,etc)These people want everyone to pretend to believe they're whatever gender they identify as and then get mad when nobody plays along.This is why i truly dont see trans ideology surviving because it demands more than what people can give.

 

[F40PH]

If we're talking strictly fundamental issues with troons as a concept, then it's pretty simple for me: I feel like there's an inherent irresponsibility in validating the delusions of the mentally ill, and if society chooses to do so, then we are not only allowing, but encouraging already vulnerable people to worsen their mental and physical health. If someone is an alcoholic, you don't buy them a bottle of vodka and encourage them to get wasted. We shouldn't be doing the same with troons by encouraging them to take hormones and cut their dick off.

This also comes with the additional issue of troons forcing the general public to adopt their version of "reality", and if they refuse, they can face legal consequences for doing so in many places. It's like it isn't enough for them to be sexual degenerates, they have to make everyone else an unwilling participant in their delusional fetish, or face the consequences for refusing to do so. They make society collectively mentally unwell by just existing in their current form, which is fucking insane as far as I am concerned.

 

[FinnSven]

If we're talking strictly fundamental issues with troons as a concept, then it's pretty simple for me: I feel like there's an inherent irresponsibility in validating the delusions of the mentally ill, and if society chooses to do so, then we are not only allowing, but encouraging already vulnerable people to worsen their mental and physical health. If someone is an alcoholic, you don't buy them a bottle of vodka and encourage them to get wasted. We shouldn't be doing the same with troons by encouraging them to take hormones and cut their dick off.

This also comes with the additional issue of troons forcing the general public to adopt their version of "reality", and if they refuse, they can face legal consequences for doing so in many places. It's like it isn't enough for them to be sexual degenerates, they have to make everyone else an unwilling participant in their delusional fetish, or face the consequences for refusing to do so. They make society collectively mentally unwell by just existing in their current form, which is fucking insane as far as I am concerned.

The normalization of abuser logic in children.

" If you don't let me transition i'm going to kill myself"

Vs

"If you don't do what I want/if you leave me, I'm going to kill myself."

One is an urgent cry for help that we must heed; the other is something that an abusive partner or spouse or ex would say.

Bull -fucking-shit it's the same thing.

Society has decided its OK to reinforce abusive negotiating tactics in children. It sickens me.

It’s related in my opinion to the wider issue of accepting childishness in adults.

As soon as things like grown men who collect toys and seem to be proud of watching cartoons and media for children were considered tolerable eccentrics, rather than childish fools who should keep that stuff private, then this slippery slope began.

Now everyone is entitled to a guilty pleasure, but that doesn’t mean that it should be paraded around as an identity or considered off limits for mockery.
I include sports team fanaticism in this. It’s equally pathetic grown men depending on the performance of overpaid overgrown boys for their happiness and sense of community.

 

[MeemVoyage]

A lot of little things gradually added up to it, such as how every trans person I've known had drama follow them and make it my problem before either a falling out happened or we simply drifted away. But the actual peak, when I finally snapped, was the Keffals shit. Him throwing a shitfit and kiwifarms getting taken down and put back up on and off and needing to be mirrored several times where I had to hunt down the domains and figure out tor, certainly soured my opinion towards 'em and especially trans activists. I was trying to read about Vade, an old TF2 lolcow, at the time. Don't fucking interfere with my hobby of laughing at retards.

Also years ago I recall having to write an essay/opinion piece on whether kids that "come out as trans" should be given hormones and surgery. Being the dumbass I was who really didn't know much about the concept at all said yes, on account of believing "hey they got something wrong with them, if this fixes it then might as well tackle the issue before it gets worse." But the more I learned about them/interacted with them the less I wanted any part of the whole thing. Also says a lot that the more one gets to know about them the lower the rate of acceptance becomes.

Also not being able to turn a goddamn corner on the internet without being met with troonery or poonery, whether in the form of character headcanons, porn (tagged or untagged), or politics. If only there was a way to just not have to ever come across it.

 

[high and tired]

The whole thing is a farce. It relies entirely on regressive, sexist stereotypes. Absolutely fucking insane that this movement is being pushed under the guise of “inclusion”. Yeah, the forced inclusion of men into female spaces. Not just in the literal sense, but linguistically as well. “People with uteruses”, “non-men”, even “trans woman”. No human male will ever become female and no human female will ever become male. Impossible. Not a fucking clue as to why it’s a controversial statement that can cost a person’s employment and perhaps livelihood. It is fact. There is no need for further debate.

The argument of “um I had a hysterectomy 5 years ago, so am I not a woman anymore???? stop defining women by genitals sweaty” is so tiresome. On that note, I also don’t understand these handmaidens purposely (and needlessly) accepting degenerate TIMs into the female world. The pooners certainly don’t help either. “Men ain’t shit” is touted around a lot, but a dude can claim he has womanly feelings and likes wearing clothing specifically designed for the female body and all of a sudden he’s a true 100% honest real woman? All the wolf had to do was wear sheep’s clothing and it’s welcomed in with accepting open arms? What the actual fuck?

We are also told to not believe our eyes and ignore our natural instincts. You must believe that the hulking 6’3” dude in a skirt going spinny is a woman because she says so! What do you mean she’s a man? What do you mean you’re uncomfortable with her around your presence? How do you think she feels, you transphobic bigot? Trans women are women, you TERF bitch!

The whole idea of “being a girl stuck in a boy’s body” or vice versa makes no sense. How can you define what it’s like being a female or male? I grew up as a tomboy, which other female kiwis may relate to- mom dressed me in feminine clothing as a child and dad signed up little me to play baseball, flag football, basketball, and whatnot. According to tranny logic, sports are boy activities, so what would that make me? A boy trapped inside a girl’s body? So what is it like being female? I don’t know… I just am? It’s a question I’ve never even pondered. I was born female, grew up female, still currently am female, and will die female. Guess what? My remains will still be female, even long after my life has passed. Something so set in stone - a person’s sex - cannot be changed, regardless of HRT and plastic surgeries. I sincerely hope this retarded, cultish ideology is on its way out it’s something I worry about for my future children.

 

[FinnSven]

According to tranny logic, sports are boy activities,

That explains why so many of them compete in women’s sports. They are just trying to save the poor females by driving them out of boy activities before their ovaries explode or something.

 

[AnOminous]

They think that being gatekept out of women's spaces is the same thing as people wanting to kill them.

They've turned me from this into actually wanting them to cease to exist. I want them gone.

 

[fresh pair of socks]

What turned me against them is their insistence at including the rest of society in their delusions. It's never just about being able to live unharassed as a transgender person; if you say anything not approved, you are labelled a transphobe, regardless of how you even feel about them. They call not allowing children getting puberty blockers a "genocide." If being transgender is normal and natural, drugs shouldn't even be necessary. Just live how you want. But that's not good enough for them; everyone else must participate in their fantasy or risk being called a bigot.

Ten years ago, the only place I ever saw someone trans was on television or the movies. I never thought about them, never cared about them. Now that they are all over both traditional and social media, I have been reading up on the trans community and educating myself. Judging by polls showing support for trans people dramatically dropping, I'd say I'm not the only one. I've never read or heard about a transgender activist who wasn't confused about their own political positions or trying to emotionally blackmail the American people.

Pretty much every major mainstream media site labels KF as an existential danger to the transgender community, but I'd say the biggest threat to the widespread acceptance of transgender people in the U.S. is transgender activism. No one has done more damage to their cause than them.