What makes you think troonism won't win?

[Cope or Rope]

41% already purge themselves we need to pump that number up. PUMP PUMP PUMP

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

I have bad news in general for this thread. It gets brought up all over the place on this forum, but the 41% estimate is grossly inaccurate.

Its based on a self-reported poll some LGBT group did and trans people liked to run around quoting because it made them sound sympathetic and miserable, kind of like war vets or something. The truth is the question asked if they had ever attempted suicide or thought about suicide, and they were two different questions.

The problem here is of course this is a dramatic group of people who could be defining all kinds of bullshit as suicide attempts ranging from taking 3 Tylenol PM to a legitimate attempt and literally everything in between. I have 0 doubts some "attempts" included shit like "I looked everywhere for something that might kill me and couldn't find it but that totes counts." Truthfully given how many narcissistic personalities are in this demographic, coupled with the strange amount of male BPD cases the chances of a legitimate suicide attempt among them is very very low.

EDIT: I will add that psych wards strangely have a lot of malingering types in them. I have absolutely no clue what would possess someone to think thats somewhere you'd want to go, but you see patients all the time particularly of the SJW crowd who get themselves put in and clearly have no issue and just annoy the legitimate patients.

 

[Vulva Gape]

The only way I can see trannies winning are if technology develops to the point to where transhumanism is real and people can alter their bodies however they wish. Like wake up oh I wanna be big tiddy goth gf press button sort of thing. Then everybody is a tranny. I think the elites are pushing all this troon stuff because they want to prime us for that sort of future. It sounds crazy, but when you look at the sheer amount of astroturf and billionaires funding it, you have to ask why? It's not like the 1% is made up of troons specifically. It's all old white men pouring money into it. Maybe they know something we don't.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

The only way I can see trannies winning are if technology develops to the point to where transhumanism is real and people can alter their bodies however they wish. Like wake up oh I wanna be big tiddy goth gf press button sort of thing. Then everybody is a tranny. I think the elites are pushing all this troon stuff because they want to prime us for that sort of future. It sounds crazy, but when you look at the sheer amount of astroturf and billionaires funding it, you have to ask why? It's not like the 1% is made up of troons specifically. It's all old white men pouring money into it. Maybe they know something we don't.

I wouldn't really mind if we got to the point that we can really alter our body at will. Then sex or gender won't matter anymore. But I'm speaking the point that we can do it for real, with whatever sci-fi technology it would be.

Currently troonism seem like a cosmetic body modification with a religious and social-caste connotation. It doesn't really change your sex, it's just s cultural signifiers, of a supernatural belief in seemingly "secular". And it is is a practice we can't question.... But then, we couldn't really question religious institutions in back in the day, either. When that kind of future arrived, we could look back and thought how primitive and pointless it was. Just like how we look at many practices in the past. But I do agree with many here that it is a very profitable, and they're the tool of the elites. At least.

I do think it'll be gradually phased out from the history. But I can't say when... And I don't think it will be of negative backlashes - troons winning is actually hurting their ideology. The more visibility troons have, the easier for people to have visual library to clock them. At one point, they won't be able to pass anymore.

 

[MaxPayne]

The young are regarded as the most tolerant generation. That's why results of this LGBTQ survey are 'alarming'

Young people are growing less tolerant of LGBTQ individuals, a GLAAD acceptance survey shows, and advocates say a toxic culture may be to blame.

www.usatoday.com

Young people are growing less tolerant of LGBTQ individuals, a jarring turn for a generation traditionally considered embracing and open, a survey released Monday shows.

The number of Americans 18 to 34 who are comfortable interacting with LGBTQ people slipped from 53% in 2017 to 45% in 2018 – the only age group to show a decline, according to the annual Accelerating Acceptance report. And that is down from 63% in 2016.

Despite the propaganda and emphasis of tranny shit in the mainstream there is a growing discomfort.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Because of the health consequences HRT, SRS and puberty blockers have on the body. There will be no way to brush those under the rug given a decade or two.

Troonism as it currently exists will not last long, although some of the ideas tied to it like gender identity might stick around.

 

[tygressofaera]

Most ex-trans supporters stopped supporting them once the pattern recognition between troonism and perversion became too prevalent to ignore. Your average normie supports "trans rights" because they think they're just normal people born in the wrong bodies. Being introduced to the truth is the quickest way to kick that to the curb.

 

[Kiwifarmsname]

It depends on what you mean by win. I think it'll harm our society in bigger ways than now. But in a few hundred years it'll be a crazy distant memory.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

It will be different this time (tm)

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I have bad news in general for this thread. It gets brought up all over the place on this forum, but the 41% estimate is grossly inaccurate.

Its based on a self-reported poll some LGBT group did and trans people liked to run around quoting because it made them sound sympathetic and miserable, kind of like war vets or something. The truth is the question asked if they had ever attempted suicide or thought about suicide, and they were two different questions.

The problem here is of course this is a dramatic group of people who could be defining all kinds of bullshit as suicide attempts ranging from taking 3 Tylenol PM to a legitimate attempt and literally everything in between. I have 0 doubts some "attempts" included shit like "I looked everywhere for something that might kill me and couldn't find it but that totes counts." Truthfully given how many narcissistic personalities are in this demographic, coupled with the strange amount of male BPD cases the chances of a legitimate suicide attempt among them is very very low.

If you have anything that endeavors to differentiate between suicidal tendencies, suicidal attempts, and events recast as either of the aforementioned for pity points, then I'm all eyes. Otherwise, 41% of transgendered people self-reporting that they're at least neck deep in the watery abyss of suicide is not a better picture, especially when they have distinct reasons to be pre- or post-op.

Yes, it matters that the question posed conflates two ultimately different phenomenon. However, it doesn't matter that it was self-reported. You wouldn't be able to conduct the survey, otherwise.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

I have bad news in general for this thread. It gets brought up all over the place on this forum, but the 41% estimate is grossly inaccurate.

Its based on a self-reported poll some LGBT group did and trans people liked to run around quoting because it made them sound sympathetic and miserable, kind of like war vets or something. The truth is the question asked if they had ever attempted suicide or thought about suicide, and they were two different questions.

The problem here is of course this is a dramatic group of people who could be defining all kinds of bullshit as suicide attempts ranging from taking 3 Tylenol PM to a legitimate attempt and literally everything in between. I have 0 doubts some "attempts" included shit like "I looked everywhere for something that might kill me and couldn't find it but that totes counts." Truthfully given how many narcissistic personalities are in this demographic, coupled with the strange amount of male BPD cases the chances of a legitimate suicide attempt among them is very very low.

EDIT: I will add that psych wards strangely have a lot of malingering types in them. I have absolutely no clue what would possess someone to think thats somewhere you'd want to go, but you see patients all the time particularly of the SJW crowd who get themselves put in and clearly have no issue and just annoy the legitimate patients.

As someone who would regularly visit a mate on the psych ward, the BPD/NPD set made up a disproportionately large number of clients.

the suicide thing.... If you look at Caroline Flack, eventually the cries for help will go unheard.

different mate, cut herself up, not too bad, but she texted her ex (playing mind games) and the ex then called the ambulence. the police turned up before the medics.
They know who these people are and each time there is a cry for help, they just take longer... Result: Caroline Flack.

 

[L50LasPak]

Its a fad. Fads die out when something more sensational comes along.

I for one am terrified to see what comes next. I can only tell you it will somehow be even worse.

 

[remiem]

Its a fad. Fads die out when something more sensational comes along.

I for one am terrified to see what comes next. I can only tell you it will somehow be even worse.

Transanimals and transracial come to the forefront. If you can change gender you can obviously change specie and race. It's the only logical next step that takes it to a new extreme. Transracial coming to the forefront will further prove the farce of transgender as well as fucking with the current racial climate and transanimal will be the final step that peaks the world when some dumbasses run off to join a pride of lions or a pack of wolves and gets killed and eaten.

 

[Maurice Caine]

Transanimals and transracial come to the forefront. If you can change gender you can obviously change specie and race. It's the only logical next step that takes it to a new extreme. Transracial coming to the forefront will further prove the farce of transgender as well as fucking with the current racial climate and transanimal will be the final step that peaks the world when some dumbasses run off to join a pride of lions or a pack of wolves and gets killed and eaten.

Now that's absurd.

 

[biozeminadae1]

At this point modern liberalism and troonism(+feminism) are basically the same thing. They have no coherent ideology, no plans for economic sustainability, no moral guidelines other than guilt and virtue signaling and materialism. They don't have the capability to create warriors for the coming conflicts. If this goes on, the future is a world run by Islam and China. About time if you ask me.

Its a fad. Fads die out when something more sensational comes along.

I for one am terrified to see what comes next. I can only tell you it will somehow be even worse.

The next fad is fascism.

 

[Maxxicus Callahan]

Is there any reason anyone would think transgender people have not existed throughout human history? Even today you can look at other cultures where there are words to recognize trans people like in India where you have Hijra, these are eunuchs, intersex people and transgender people who have a recorded history since antiquity and are regarded by many as a third gender of sorts.

In our present media fixation on the issue it feels like something new and topical but it’s really not a new phenomenon. Some people like Camille Paglia regard this naval gazing obsession with sexuality as a sign of the decadence of a late Empire in decline.

I think that’s going a little too far but I find it interesting that she mentioned in another video that during the 2016 election there was this big conversation in the media about transgender bathrooms as a big political topic amidst the election coverage and this may very well have been a contributing factor to Trump’s victory on the culture front. But what bearing do transgender rights have on the material conditions of those living in society. The thing about trans rights is that they can fit neatly into the framework of the status quo. The largest capitalist interests like Bezos and Bill Gates can whole heartedly support trans issues without it affecting their bottom line and yet it stirs up so much controversy as a progressive struggle in the culture but does not bump up against calls for economic rights so in that way it is very easy for the powerful to echo and co opt these same calls for progress.

I get there is a lot to this issue that needs thorough discussion even trans people in their own community have loads of disagreement to the point they have Twitter mobbed and cancelled each other for not agreeing with one another just ask Contra Points. It’s a funny fixation here on KF I don’t really understand it but I respect why people have strong feelings about it with the issue of kids looking to transition now and the question of trans athletes. These are real concerns but my point is that it won’t fundamentally change very much in society unless you seriously believe it will lead to some clown world call for us all to embrace pedophilia next which I highly doubt.

 

[Cool Dog]

Troons are the "too big to fail" of liberal ideology, they cant let the music stop because if troon "science" is doubted then anything else in the victimhood industry will be up for debate: women, minorities, gays, jews, etc, everybody will start wondering if those are victims or just a fucking sham like the troonies were

The troonie madness was never popular among normies, but after gays got their marriage laws there was this huge lobby dedicated to gay rights that was no longer needed. Thats a lot of money suddenly evaporating for people who got rich off promising gays to get them a wedding. So they went for the next group: troons

But now its too big, just the lawsuits from dead troons' families, troons who got butchered due to SRS, teen troons crippled by HRT for life, the numbers alone would bankrupt these assholes. Then you got the political damage, institutions, colleges, NGOs, entire governments who supported this shit will get smeared if troonism collapses

So its not a fad, it will keep going because they invented some shit even they cant stop

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Is there any reason anyone would think transgender people have not existed throughout human history? Even today you can look at other cultures where there are words to recognize trans people like in India where you have Hijra, these are eunuchs, intersex people and transgender people who have a recorded history since antiquity and are regarded by many as a third gender of sorts.

I disagree with that bit. As someone who's come from a culture with 'third gender". Those categories are not like modern day transgenderism with emphasis on "authentic self", or pseudo-scientific reification of neurological gender identity. It exists in a different framework, and these cultures do not see their third gender as the same as the actual member of opposite sex - but rather an ascribed social role for gender-nonconforming people. And in the cases where their physiology were observed as 'normal' male or female, there isn't much attempt to hide that fact.

You can also say that liberalism and "Scientism" in the west, are kind of a religion now. And it is a framework that focuses on individualism, categorising and creating a model of reality to be seen as objective truth with strictly defined words - this is a belief that see itself as free from superstitions, but like any religions, it doesn't see flaws in their claim and beliefs. And under this framework, 'transgender', is in a way, a third gender category for gender non-conforming people of the modern way. And the belief that there's innate gender identity or that your body should be run on a certain hormones (even if there's no solid study on the topic) seem to be as legitimate as believing that it is a Divine's will to crossdress and get yourself castrated.


I believe modern transgender definition or "gender dysphoria" cannot be used to extrapolate back in time or to other cultures that dealt with gender non-conforming people differently as if it is a natural kind and universal to all human experiences.

 

[Maxxicus Callahan]

I disagree with that bit. As someone who's come from a culture with 'third gender". Those categories are not like modern day transgenderism with emphasis on "authentic self", or pseudo-scientific reification of neurological gender identity. It exists in a different framework, and these cultures do not see their third gender as the same as the actual member of opposite sex - but rather an ascribed social role for gender-nonconforming people. And in the cases where their physiology were observed as 'normal' male or female, there isn't much attempt to hide that fact.

You can also say that liberalism and "Scientism" in the west, are kind of a religion now. And it is a framework that focuses on individualism, categorising and creating a model of reality to be seen as objective truth with strictly defined words - this is a belief that see itself as free from superstitions, but like any religions, it doesn't see flaws in their claim and beliefs. And under this framework, 'transgender', is in a way, a third gender category for gender non-conforming people of the modern way. And the belief that there's innate gender identity or that your body should be run on a certain hormones (even if there's no solid study on the topic) seem to be as legitimate as believing that it is a Divine's will to crossdress and get yourself castrated.


I believe modern transgender definition or "gender dysphoria" cannot be used to extrapolate back in time or to other cultures that dealt with gender non-conforming people differently as if it is a natural kind and universal to all human experiences.

That’s a really great response thanks for that insight, some good food for thought.

 

[L50LasPak]

The next fad is fascism.

Don't hold your breath man.