What year do you think it will be before Hitler moves from generic Boogieman to Genghis Khan status?

[Toji Suzuhara]

Besides what other people here said, Hitler just looks like a limp wristed faggot and a lot of his policies reflect that.

>be leader of the aryan race
>die childless
mfw

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

After WW3. Hitler is integral to the founding myth of the modern West, which is a group of allied nations banding together to defeat the ultimate evil that was Nazi Germany, which was evil because of "unprovoked invasions", "the Holocaust", etc. Non-Western nations like China and India don't care about Hitler because he's just another 20th century dictator and for India is a hero for bankrupting the British Empire.

So until that founding myth changes, we'll keep talking about Hitler and his deeds like it was yesterday. It's pretty likely the current globohomo reich will take the place of Hitler and the Nazis. If globohomo wins than it'll remain Hitler since their villains like Trump and Putin are considered mere inheritors of his ideology and not the ur-evil.

As soon as Leopold II and the CSA move out of boogeyman territory

The CSA is another great example which is basically to the US what Nazi Germany is to the modern West. When the federal government put the final nail in the Constitution with the so-called Civil Rights Act, they equated the suppression of the South (the first big attack on states rights and federal powergrab, albeit nothing compared to Wilson, FDR, and the Civil Rights Act) with their own actions and promoted the CSA to arch-villains. For a time this was confined to academia, but in the past 15 years the leftists have absolutely ran with this as worship of blacks has become more and more important.

Genghis Khan's conquests were certainly not easy. He didn't get handed such an exploitable geopolitical situations as world famous kid diddler Mohammed did.

Jin-Song wars were pretty much like the Byzantine-Sassanid wars in scope and ruinous impact so it isn't surprising a third party did so well (kinda like Jin themselves did against the Liao and the Song). The Khwarezmians were pretty tough but they were a newer, arguably over-extended empire so couldn't actually use all of its resources.

I wouldn't put Genghis Khan in the same category as Hitler. The Mongol Empire pretty much created the modern world as we know it by linking everything from China to Europe. They made great innovations in science, administration, art, and architecture and helped inspire it everywhere else. Hitler had a lot of potential and people with great ideas like the autobahn, Speer's architecture, the Breitspurbahn, innovative aircraft, and space travel, but he couldn't make it all work together and couldn't even pass the initial hurdle because he was a mediocre administrator and couldn't realize that Germany wasn't strong enough to be so self-interested. Genghis Khan didn't fuck over people useful to the Mongols and willing to join them, but the Nazis made way too few attempts to portray their war as a battle against world communism and not just aggrandizement of Germany. Hitler should've controlled his administration better (like the people behind Generalplan Ost) and not done such stupid ethnic favoritism (like arresting and executing the pro-German faction of a major Polish fascist org or neglecting the recruitment of Armenians because they were "a mercentile race like Jews").

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

It will be after the political collapse of both the USA and Israel. Hitler as the avatar of evil is the glue that holds both the legitimacy of the regime and the legitimacy of Zionism together.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Hitler should've controlled his administration better (like the people behind Generalplan Ost or done ethnic favoritism (like arresting and executing the pro-German faction of a major Polish fascist org or neglecting the recruitment of Armenians because they were "a mercentile race like Jews").

The Third Reich was a nation of half-measures when it shouldn't do it and of increadible dogmatism when it wasn't able to. The Blitz started as just slight bombing of certain key military objectives, that then turned into a mass bombing campaign due to a small error+retaliatory action, diverting resources from the far more important regions in the med and North Africa, resulting in failure. They wanted to do unrestricted submarine warfare while at the same building the heaviest dreadnaughts of the western hemisphere, they wished to pull off a lighting war aganist the largest nation in the world, they planned to have a fully mechanized military while at the same time possesing almost no sources of fossile fuels. They wished for a wunderwaffe while researching in 20 different fields at once.

Fuhrerprinzip, as a concept, was flawed because the man who came up with it also saw himself as the only person capable of pulling it off, while at the same time having far more self-aware advisors (and possible contenders if he would be able to win the war) deciding his every move.

I am ambivalent towards Hitler, but the fact that many of his personal (not moral, personal) flaws are ignored by both supporters and detractors seems asinine

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

You have to win to be a Genghis Khan. It's really that simple.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Hitler, with his overly agitated way of speaking, funny hairstyle and mustache, has too much comedic potential to be seen as a fearsome and unrelenting conqueror. And we already see him shifting from generic boogieman to someone funny \ laughable with all those Downfall memes and other edits.

 

[YouGuysAren'tThatSmart]

Never. Ghengis Khan wiped out 40 million people. I guess the Kikes could lie more and keep upping the numbers, but they seem stuck on 6 gorjillian.

 

[Drinky Crow]

There were people within the Reich that were way more evil than the funny little man. I'd like to focus more on them.

 

[The best and greatest]

He was good, but no Khan.

Even then not really, He was a dilettante who managed to surround himself with a few genuinely capable generals. Why should cowardly moustache man be given Rommel's credit exactly?

Anyway this thread is laughable. Never. Because he's a fucking LOSERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR who lost

 

[im5!XxhO]

Genghis Khan united the nomad tribes and conquered an empire that only fell apart after his death. For his time and place be also wasn't overly brutal. Most of the recorded atrocities were standard operating procedure in the Mongolian steppe at the time.
Hitler rose to power in a crippled and depressed Germany and somehow managed to be even worse at grand strategy than the German leadership in 1914. That's impressive in its own way. Hitler will never be remembered as a great conquerer, because he wasn't one. Instead he will just fade away over the generations. Maybe the Jews will keep him alive as a boogeyman.

 

[cybertoaster]

The moment the balance of power shifts from the west to the east.

Back in the day Alexander was the Hitler of the world, ancient greeks hated him, persians really hated him, everybody outside Macedonia hated his ass for what he did.

But Rome didn't, romans began to lionize the guy for going around conquering barbarians and giving no fucks about it, they didn't care if he genocided a bunch of cities along the way. And romans were now top dog, the center of power was no longer in the east, so Alexander is a good guy "because we say so".

If Stalin could rehabilitate Ivan the terrible in Russia then the Chinese (who are getting awfully close to national socialism) can rehabilitate Hitler.

 

[foobar]

Hitler's empire

"empire"

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

"empire"
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Hey man, at least add the Böhmen und Mähren there.

Maybe the Jews will keep him alive as a boogeyman.

Go to sleep, little Jakob, or else the Fyorer will snatch you and send you to his lair of bears

 

[Rock hard as a Flintstone]

2024, don't let your dreams stay dreams.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Temujin was a winner that conquered nations. Hitler lost his war, burned part of his country down out of spite, and committed suicide. IMO WWII Germany is hyped up because it makes the victors look better. Realistically they needed more time to rebuild and reindustrialize but their jingoism got the best of them. Imperial Germany was superior imo. The third reich was a sad sequel.

In some circles there’s already some people who say “hey, he was a bad guy but he was a precursor to the EU and that’s led to some good things.”

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

"empire"
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Hey grandpa, it isn't 1938 anymore.

In some circles there’s already some people who say “hey, he was a bad guy but he was a precursor to the EU and that’s led to some good things.”

"Some circles", who, the Azovites and other Banderists who simultaneous think Hitler dindu nuffin but love NATO and the EU?

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I feel like leaning on Nazi's and Hitler as the ultimate evil is getting pretty old.

Hitler will never be viewed like Genghis Khan, Alexander or even Napoleon because he didn't build a lasting empire. Genghis Khan and his sons created multiple empires across two continents and destabilized societies across Europe, Middle East and East Asia. Additionally, multiple other empires such as the Timurids and Mughals saw themselves as descendants of the Mongols. Alexander similarly affected nearly all societies across the civilized parts of the globe and his generals created several empires after his death. Napoleon popularized cultural nationalism and spread his civic code across half the globe while Hitler left no legacy except ruin within and beyond Germany. Members of the Nazi party still left their mark on the world but they were thoroughly integrated by other Western governments. Losers don't get to become celebrated historical figures.

The US Congress authorized the draft of US soldiers (during peacetime), not Germany. Obviously US soldiers died in Europe but the US could have just stayed home. Congress and FDR sent the US soldiers to go die.

The US wanted to establish itself as a global hegemon. Curtailing Germany was the requirement for that and those soldiers paid for US' century-long hegemony. I truly cannot understand how Americans view world policing with such disdain despite it one of the conditions for being the world's largest superpower. The American lifestyle is made possible only due to their status as hegemon and the responsibilities that brings.

 

[cybertoaster]

Pretty sure the OP meant when Hitler will be seen as just another conqueror and not evil incarnate, even if not on the same league of success than Alexander, Genghis and Napoleon.

Consider those three were committed similar if not much worse crimes than Hitler did and yet nobody call you a "literal Genghis Khan" as an insult.

Like I said the real shift in perspective depends on which part of the world is the richest and most important. Had Hitler only wrecked eastern europe or even asia nobody in the wealthy powerful west would think he was a bad guy because the rest of europe was basically still ransacking africa and asia at the time and they hated the commie russians as much as the nazis did, even staging a failed international intervention shortly after WWI to topple the bolsheviks.

But he destroyed half of western europe instead, he fucked with the countries who control the world and write our history, simple as.

Also consider the brits still hate Napoleon even tho he never managed to actually invade limeyland. And many chinese also still hate Genghis for very obvious reasons, the whole "but he built trade routers!" apologetic historians say means nothing to them.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The US wanted to establish itself as a global hegemon. Curtailing Germany was the requirement for that and those soldiers paid for US' century-long hegemony. I truly cannot understand how Americans view world policing with such disdain despite it one of the conditions for being the world's largest superpower. The American lifestyle is made possible only due to their status as hegemon and the responsibilities that brings.

Dumb neocon logic. The US already owned Europe after WW1. Britain was bankrupt and their finance sector increasingly dictated from NYC. To say nothing about how the US already owned an entire hemisphere and has an enormous amount of resources! World policing brought the US nothing but death, wasted money, and the literal welfare leaches of Europe who have their famed social safety nets because they refuse to spend on their military the amount NATO suggests they spend.

 

[grump]

What matters for your historical legacy is whether you succeeded or failed or more specifically what type of narrative lives on afterward. Hitler utterly failed in his goals and by extension failed to set up a society that would remember him positively. He not only stalled his creed he set it further back than even the Soviets could have dreamed of relegated to the dustbins of philosophy from where it may never recover. Its not necessarily just a matter of him being evil, plenty of evil people then and now enjoy much better reputations than him, its that he was a loser who let the history books be written exclusively by his opponents.

If you want an example of someone pushing an ideology somewhat along the same lines but who's actually a winner theres that Planned Parenthood chick. Long term she accomplished and is still accomplishing so much more for the cause than he did. And most cleverly of all she did it while still being worshiped by the side she's undermining. Next to her all those nazis bureaucrats and politicians might as well be toddlers soiling their pants. All the basement obengruppenfuhrers should be erecting and worshiping statues and portraits of her not Hitler.