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Chapter 14: The Stag and Lion.
The Party arrive at an Inn for the night, the Innkeeper knows Moraine by her false name of Alys and Lan as Andra.
The Inn is apparently almost full up with barely enough rooms to house the group, Fitch the Innkeeper gives some details about the White Cloaks, but Rand is distracted by something much more important.
Rand wants a bath because it’s been a week and he wants to be clean. As do Perrin, Thom and Mat, the bath attendant engages in a little bit of chit chat until Mat starts to bring up Trollocs, which luckily Lan bursts in, shoves the attendant out and gets real pissed off at Mat and then Perrin when he asks about Trollocs in the borderlands. Lan proceeds to threaten the Two Rivers kids and the rest of the bathing is done in silence.
Once everyone is clean Moraine meets the party and they have a warm dinner for the first time in a week. Moraine explains the plan for the next step of the journey, the group will stay in Baerlon for 2 nights, allowing the boys to explore the city a bit and then depart early in the morning on the next day.
Thom goes to perform since he hasn’t gotten the chance in a week, but the Food and Bath have made Rand so relaxed that he is too tired to go watch the Gleeman perform and he falls asleep.
Then he begins to dream again, of an endless Hallway with a single repeating door, eventually Rand goes in the door and is faced with a Man with eyes and a mouth of fire, who names himself as Ba’alzamon a name for the Dark One.
Ba’alzamon goes on a bit of a rant about The White Tower using Rand, and how the White Tower set up Rand’s Mother and Father to give birth to him. He continues to rant and rave, talking about Lews Therin Kinslayer, Breaking the Covenant of 10 Nations and Artur Hawkwing, and manages to give who he really is away to the reader if they have been paying attention because he mentions that Lews Therin could have struck back at him after Lews killed Ilyena and was that one that Healed Lews Therin of his madness.
Ishamael brings a rat into the dream and kills it by breaking it’s back, and begins to do the same to Rand until Rand wakes up from the dream, he looks around the dark inn room with Thom and Lan sleeping and lays back down eventually falling asleep himself.
Commentary
Moraine and Lan are really kind of weird here.
Moraine is extremely nice to Finch, and Lan is mistrustful of everyone, Lan also is super petulant with Mat, I can’t imagine Lan from later in the series throwing a bucket around. I am going to just assume it is Moraine not being stressed at this point (she isn’t dealing with Rand being kind of a dickhead sometimes yet) and Lan dealing with the fact he has to babysit a bunch of Woolheads.
I do like Rand thinking “The people in the Common Room will enjoy my presence a lot more after I take a bath”
Fucking based Tam teaching Rand to wash his fucking ass, I wish people in real life would learn this god damn lesson.
We get our first glimpse of Min, but she is just around for one moment and is gone.
Then we get to the dream, I am still absolutely astounded that the TV series decided to go with the “Who is the Dragon Reborn” Mystery plot bullshit and skipped the Prologue just to try and have Ishamael actually seem like the Dark One when the books just basically spell it out in this chapter.
The set up for the Seanchan is a nice bit of Foreshadowing here, “The Doom Yet to come” indeed, it is also Super Funny that given what we know about the World of Dreams later..Ishamael had to have specifically pulled sleeping rats into the dream one by one for the explicit purpose of breaking their backs just to A-log Rand and Co...he also could have used the True Power I guess..but that would require him to know what Inn Rand is...In..
Which would mean Ishamael is also trolling the Shadowspawn that are chasing Rand and Co instead of just appearing in a Dream and telling a Fade what Inn to look at.
Though lets be real, Ishamael is one of the two most effective Forsaken in the books, probably the most effective one. He used the fact that he wasn’t fully sealed to fuck up the world when he got the chance. Breaking 2 civilizations that were possibly building up to be dangerous to the Shadow when the time of return came is something he should get a lot of credit for.
He is also very much driving a wedge between Rand and Moraine that is quite frankly a massive issue for both through books 3 and 4. Of course Moraine does nothing to help with this until she gets her head out of her ass in Book 5.
There are times where I wonder if “The Chosen” as a whole are just kind of distractions to keep the Forces of the Light off balance while some of the higher ranking ones like Ishamael, Lanfear and Demandred work actual plots.
Chapter 15
Strangers and Friends
Rand wakes up with a headache and his entire body hurting, he goes down to the Inn’s Kitchen to get some breakfast and overhears Finch and the Head Cook talking about a bunch of Rats that had been found around the Inn with their back’s broken.
Rand goes to talk to Perrin, and it comes out that Perrin and Mat had the same dream.
Perrin decides to stay at the Inn for a little bit longer while Rand goes out to explore the city, but when he gets to the exit to the Inn’s Stable Yard he finds himself reluctant to be in a crowd of strangers. He sits in the stable yard for a few minutes until the girl that introduces herself as Min. Who also drops the giant bomb that she can see images around people, ones that foretell what is going to happen in the future. Min begins to tell Rand some of the things she sees which causes Rand to GTFO when she starts on what she sees around Rand, and he begins to explore the City properly.
After some time he runs into a familiar face, Padan Fain the peddler who went missing on Winternight. Rand corners Fain in an Alley and tries to get him to come back to the Inn with him to get a hot meal, mentioning the name. Fain runs off and Rand tries to give chase and runs right into Mat.
Rand and Mat discuss the dream they had and decide not to tell Moraine, and decide that they need to convince Perrin to not tell the Aes Sedai either, on the way back to the Inn the pair encounter The Children of the Light. Mat uses a sling to cause a wagonfull of barrels to splash mud on the Whitecloaks, and Rand laughs at them causing a short confrontation.
After the Virgin Whitecloaks get chased off by the Chad City Watch Rand and Mat find Thom wandering around advertising the fact that he is at the Stag and Lion Inn for the evening. The pair begin to tell Thom about the dreams they had until they mention the name Ba’alzamon
Thom drags the pair into the Alley and has the pair fully detail the dream, including the other names which are all men who declared themselves as Dragon, including Logain who is currently dunking on the Aes Sedai. Thom decides that they need to tell Perrin as soon as possible.
They head back to the Inn and run into Perrin who is exiting to go search for them because Nyneave The Wisdom has arrived in Baerlon and is currently staring down Moraine in a private room refusing to talk until the Two Rivers groups is brought to her.
Commentary
I am curious if Ishamael used the exact same lines on Perrin and Mat, Imagine him using the lines about “The White Tower planned for your mother and father to birth you!” to two kids whose parents have never left the Two Rivers.
Perrin especially is smart enough to be like “Um Excuse Sir?” (or Saar in the Show)
Min has arrived and she is already teasing Rand from the outset.
We get some nice foreshadowing on Fain being a Dark Friend here because the Fade shows up RIGHT after Rand tells Fain where they are staying. It’s a really great bit of slight of hand, You get Ishamael thrown into your face in a quite obvious manner and while you are distracted by that Fain gets foreshadowing that you can miss if you aren’t looking at it.
I love Mat saying “Oh fuck can we just go somewhere else” when he hears Nyneave is in the Inn, which technically MIGHT have been the right move since Fain is gonna give up where the group is staying.
Chapter 16: The Wisdom
Summary
The group is taken to Nyneave to explain why they ran off, Min grabs Rand on the way and tells him that “Nyneave is part of it” and Nyneave confirms that Rand was not born in the Two Rivers and that he had already been born when Tam and Kari had already had him when they returned/came to the Two Rivers.
Commentary
Not much happens here, just talky, we get a few minor plot points in that Nyneave is a main character, and that Rand wasn’t born in Emond’s Field.
Also points to Mat for being a quick thinker when Rand almost lets Min’s secret slip when he says “Nyneave is part of it” in front of Thom by saying that “Nyneave is part of our string of terrible luck since Winter night” Not that Thom bought it, but that is cause he put skill ranks into Perception.
We have Nyneave and Lan’s love story starting here, because Lan likes him a chick who is competent. Also Nyneave talks up Tam again. “I am the best tracker in the Two Rivers..except Tam cause Tam is the resident bad ass”
Chapter 17: Watchers and Hunters.
The group enjoy a night of relaxation with Thom providing entertainment for the Inn. Rand, Perrin and Mat end up dancing with Moraine and Nyneave which catches them off guard and Rand sees a man with a scar across his face staring at him all night.
As Midnight Rolls around Thom calls it a night and everyone heads to bed, except Rand wants some Milk before he goes to sleep, and as he gets his bedtime drink he is confronted by a Myrddraal, who claims that Rand is one of those who belong to The Great Lord of the Dark, but before anything can really happen Lan begins going down the steps in the same way an avalanche goes down a mountain.
The Fade retreats and Lan announces that the Party is leaving right now. Moraine warns Finch about possible attacks by Dark Friends and Finch blows her off. They continue to the gate to the road to Camelyn but are confronted by the Children of the Light that Rand and Mat had a run in before. Moraine confronts the Children’s leader, Dain Bornhald and uses the power to damage his sword as he swings it at Moraine, then makes herself grow giant and steps over the wall as a distraction so that the rest of the group can exit through the partly opened gate.
They head South East along the road to Whitebridge, Mat turns around and sees a fire reflecting off the clouds above Baerlon, and we get a slight argument between Nyneave and Moraine about what Moraine should be doing in this situation.
Commentary
Book: Song about someone who continues on after his beloved dies and he buries her under a willow tree.
Show: Song that is about Tits.
Does anyone else think that Scar man is Samael? The we see that the forsaken are free by the end of the book so he could be out.
I have serious questions about the Giant Moraine Illusion sequence...first I would love to know the details of the weave she used to deflect Dain’s sword. Is “making a staff harder than steel” an Earth weave? Was it Fire and Earth? Was it Wind? And we know that you can’t really lift yourself with a weave (except for making stairs apparently) so did Moraine make a giant illusion and make herself invisible to sneak out cause quite frankly that is the most hilarious image ever. Moraine just walking out of the gate behind everyone as the giant Moraine.
We get the early part of Nyneave conflicting with normal Aes Sedai culture.
The Party arrive at an Inn for the night, the Innkeeper knows Moraine by her false name of Alys and Lan as Andra.
The Inn is apparently almost full up with barely enough rooms to house the group, Fitch the Innkeeper gives some details about the White Cloaks, but Rand is distracted by something much more important.
Rand wants a bath because it’s been a week and he wants to be clean. As do Perrin, Thom and Mat, the bath attendant engages in a little bit of chit chat until Mat starts to bring up Trollocs, which luckily Lan bursts in, shoves the attendant out and gets real pissed off at Mat and then Perrin when he asks about Trollocs in the borderlands. Lan proceeds to threaten the Two Rivers kids and the rest of the bathing is done in silence.
Once everyone is clean Moraine meets the party and they have a warm dinner for the first time in a week. Moraine explains the plan for the next step of the journey, the group will stay in Baerlon for 2 nights, allowing the boys to explore the city a bit and then depart early in the morning on the next day.
Thom goes to perform since he hasn’t gotten the chance in a week, but the Food and Bath have made Rand so relaxed that he is too tired to go watch the Gleeman perform and he falls asleep.
Then he begins to dream again, of an endless Hallway with a single repeating door, eventually Rand goes in the door and is faced with a Man with eyes and a mouth of fire, who names himself as Ba’alzamon a name for the Dark One.
Ba’alzamon goes on a bit of a rant about The White Tower using Rand, and how the White Tower set up Rand’s Mother and Father to give birth to him. He continues to rant and rave, talking about Lews Therin Kinslayer, Breaking the Covenant of 10 Nations and Artur Hawkwing, and manages to give who he really is away to the reader if they have been paying attention because he mentions that Lews Therin could have struck back at him after Lews killed Ilyena and was that one that Healed Lews Therin of his madness.
Ishamael brings a rat into the dream and kills it by breaking it’s back, and begins to do the same to Rand until Rand wakes up from the dream, he looks around the dark inn room with Thom and Lan sleeping and lays back down eventually falling asleep himself.
Commentary
Moraine and Lan are really kind of weird here.
Moraine is extremely nice to Finch, and Lan is mistrustful of everyone, Lan also is super petulant with Mat, I can’t imagine Lan from later in the series throwing a bucket around. I am going to just assume it is Moraine not being stressed at this point (she isn’t dealing with Rand being kind of a dickhead sometimes yet) and Lan dealing with the fact he has to babysit a bunch of Woolheads.
I do like Rand thinking “The people in the Common Room will enjoy my presence a lot more after I take a bath”
Fucking based Tam teaching Rand to wash his fucking ass, I wish people in real life would learn this god damn lesson.
We get our first glimpse of Min, but she is just around for one moment and is gone.
Then we get to the dream, I am still absolutely astounded that the TV series decided to go with the “Who is the Dragon Reborn” Mystery plot bullshit and skipped the Prologue just to try and have Ishamael actually seem like the Dark One when the books just basically spell it out in this chapter.
The set up for the Seanchan is a nice bit of Foreshadowing here, “The Doom Yet to come” indeed, it is also Super Funny that given what we know about the World of Dreams later..Ishamael had to have specifically pulled sleeping rats into the dream one by one for the explicit purpose of breaking their backs just to A-log Rand and Co...he also could have used the True Power I guess..but that would require him to know what Inn Rand is...In..
Which would mean Ishamael is also trolling the Shadowspawn that are chasing Rand and Co instead of just appearing in a Dream and telling a Fade what Inn to look at.
Though lets be real, Ishamael is one of the two most effective Forsaken in the books, probably the most effective one. He used the fact that he wasn’t fully sealed to fuck up the world when he got the chance. Breaking 2 civilizations that were possibly building up to be dangerous to the Shadow when the time of return came is something he should get a lot of credit for.
He is also very much driving a wedge between Rand and Moraine that is quite frankly a massive issue for both through books 3 and 4. Of course Moraine does nothing to help with this until she gets her head out of her ass in Book 5.
There are times where I wonder if “The Chosen” as a whole are just kind of distractions to keep the Forces of the Light off balance while some of the higher ranking ones like Ishamael, Lanfear and Demandred work actual plots.
Chapter 15
Strangers and Friends
Rand wakes up with a headache and his entire body hurting, he goes down to the Inn’s Kitchen to get some breakfast and overhears Finch and the Head Cook talking about a bunch of Rats that had been found around the Inn with their back’s broken.
Rand goes to talk to Perrin, and it comes out that Perrin and Mat had the same dream.
Perrin decides to stay at the Inn for a little bit longer while Rand goes out to explore the city, but when he gets to the exit to the Inn’s Stable Yard he finds himself reluctant to be in a crowd of strangers. He sits in the stable yard for a few minutes until the girl that introduces herself as Min. Who also drops the giant bomb that she can see images around people, ones that foretell what is going to happen in the future. Min begins to tell Rand some of the things she sees which causes Rand to GTFO when she starts on what she sees around Rand, and he begins to explore the City properly.
After some time he runs into a familiar face, Padan Fain the peddler who went missing on Winternight. Rand corners Fain in an Alley and tries to get him to come back to the Inn with him to get a hot meal, mentioning the name. Fain runs off and Rand tries to give chase and runs right into Mat.
Rand and Mat discuss the dream they had and decide not to tell Moraine, and decide that they need to convince Perrin to not tell the Aes Sedai either, on the way back to the Inn the pair encounter The Children of the Light. Mat uses a sling to cause a wagonfull of barrels to splash mud on the Whitecloaks, and Rand laughs at them causing a short confrontation.
After the Virgin Whitecloaks get chased off by the Chad City Watch Rand and Mat find Thom wandering around advertising the fact that he is at the Stag and Lion Inn for the evening. The pair begin to tell Thom about the dreams they had until they mention the name Ba’alzamon
Thom drags the pair into the Alley and has the pair fully detail the dream, including the other names which are all men who declared themselves as Dragon, including Logain who is currently dunking on the Aes Sedai. Thom decides that they need to tell Perrin as soon as possible.
They head back to the Inn and run into Perrin who is exiting to go search for them because Nyneave The Wisdom has arrived in Baerlon and is currently staring down Moraine in a private room refusing to talk until the Two Rivers groups is brought to her.
Commentary
I am curious if Ishamael used the exact same lines on Perrin and Mat, Imagine him using the lines about “The White Tower planned for your mother and father to birth you!” to two kids whose parents have never left the Two Rivers.
Perrin especially is smart enough to be like “Um Excuse Sir?” (or Saar in the Show)
Min has arrived and she is already teasing Rand from the outset.
We get some nice foreshadowing on Fain being a Dark Friend here because the Fade shows up RIGHT after Rand tells Fain where they are staying. It’s a really great bit of slight of hand, You get Ishamael thrown into your face in a quite obvious manner and while you are distracted by that Fain gets foreshadowing that you can miss if you aren’t looking at it.
I love Mat saying “Oh fuck can we just go somewhere else” when he hears Nyneave is in the Inn, which technically MIGHT have been the right move since Fain is gonna give up where the group is staying.
Chapter 16: The Wisdom
Summary
The group is taken to Nyneave to explain why they ran off, Min grabs Rand on the way and tells him that “Nyneave is part of it” and Nyneave confirms that Rand was not born in the Two Rivers and that he had already been born when Tam and Kari had already had him when they returned/came to the Two Rivers.
Commentary
Not much happens here, just talky, we get a few minor plot points in that Nyneave is a main character, and that Rand wasn’t born in Emond’s Field.
Also points to Mat for being a quick thinker when Rand almost lets Min’s secret slip when he says “Nyneave is part of it” in front of Thom by saying that “Nyneave is part of our string of terrible luck since Winter night” Not that Thom bought it, but that is cause he put skill ranks into Perception.
We have Nyneave and Lan’s love story starting here, because Lan likes him a chick who is competent. Also Nyneave talks up Tam again. “I am the best tracker in the Two Rivers..except Tam cause Tam is the resident bad ass”
Chapter 17: Watchers and Hunters.
The group enjoy a night of relaxation with Thom providing entertainment for the Inn. Rand, Perrin and Mat end up dancing with Moraine and Nyneave which catches them off guard and Rand sees a man with a scar across his face staring at him all night.
As Midnight Rolls around Thom calls it a night and everyone heads to bed, except Rand wants some Milk before he goes to sleep, and as he gets his bedtime drink he is confronted by a Myrddraal, who claims that Rand is one of those who belong to The Great Lord of the Dark, but before anything can really happen Lan begins going down the steps in the same way an avalanche goes down a mountain.
The Fade retreats and Lan announces that the Party is leaving right now. Moraine warns Finch about possible attacks by Dark Friends and Finch blows her off. They continue to the gate to the road to Camelyn but are confronted by the Children of the Light that Rand and Mat had a run in before. Moraine confronts the Children’s leader, Dain Bornhald and uses the power to damage his sword as he swings it at Moraine, then makes herself grow giant and steps over the wall as a distraction so that the rest of the group can exit through the partly opened gate.
They head South East along the road to Whitebridge, Mat turns around and sees a fire reflecting off the clouds above Baerlon, and we get a slight argument between Nyneave and Moraine about what Moraine should be doing in this situation.
Commentary
Book: Song about someone who continues on after his beloved dies and he buries her under a willow tree.
Show: Song that is about Tits.
Does anyone else think that Scar man is Samael? The we see that the forsaken are free by the end of the book so he could be out.
I have serious questions about the Giant Moraine Illusion sequence...first I would love to know the details of the weave she used to deflect Dain’s sword. Is “making a staff harder than steel” an Earth weave? Was it Fire and Earth? Was it Wind? And we know that you can’t really lift yourself with a weave (except for making stairs apparently) so did Moraine make a giant illusion and make herself invisible to sneak out cause quite frankly that is the most hilarious image ever. Moraine just walking out of the gate behind everyone as the giant Moraine.
We get the early part of Nyneave conflicting with normal Aes Sedai culture.
