When did normies become "woke"?

[Erich Honecker]

I don't think woke is too normal. Powers that shouldn't be use woke to run the mainstream media and at least leftist politics, but as the recent election and "go woke go broke" show, about every other person doesn't like it. But they can't say much without being "cancelled".

I suppose the problem is that, with how much discourse takes place online these days, and with how much the online is controlled by these monopolistic mega-corporations, that astroturfing of previously unpopular opinions can gradually make them popular. If you're going online now and you barely see any criticism of these progressive cultural topics, and you see anyone who does question it being shouted down as "racist" "bigoted" "transphobic", then you're going to feel alone if you don't agree with those views. A lot of people just fall in line with the "consensus" (even if the consensus is manipulated to appear a certain way) because they feel it's futile to resist it.

There's probably a hell of a lot of people out there who hate the woke "consensus" but have nowhere to go to voice it, because the platforms where such views used to be allowed started to crack down on them harshly post-2017. See subreddits like GenderCritical, The_Donald and NoNewNormal being banned. A minority of the users move on to alternative platforms, but they inevitably seem to descend into schizo-tier shit so the appeal to normies is lost, as well as them being difficult to find. I absolutely think a motivation behind the brutal censorship policies on Reddit, Facebook, Twitter etc in the past few years is to get the large mass of people who don't agree on certain topics to just give up and embrace the consensus. They want people to feel totally alone and therefore to just "go with the flow" for the sake of their own social and mental wellbeing.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I suppose the problem is that, with how much discourse takes place online these days, and with how much the online is controlled by these monopolistic mega-corporations, that astroturfing of previously unpopular opinions can gradually make them popular.

That's what the powers that shouldn't be seem to want: they think that by censoring "wrongthink" and shoving propaganda, they can force people to be woke. Woke is "toxic" and anti-human, and it's useful in keeping the "little people" submissive. For example, "individualism" is being looked down on as "white supremacy". It's also useful to keep people divided with endless racial and "gender" politics, instead of united against the tyrants. And it's been that way since Occupy was derailed with woke.

What the tyrants seem to really want is the "little people" living in a cybernetic hive of isolated yet hiveminded "serfs" they have absolute power over. And woke seems to be very useful in breaking down what's left of "society" to rebuild it. Like I said, and it may sound "doomer", but we really do live in a "cyberpunk dystopia". A cyberpunk dystopia that I hope can end without a collapse.

 

[Cat Menagerie]

They haven't and some are pushing back now. Most people ignore or are unaware of the insidious creep of shit like this. When it becomes apparent or starts interfering with their lives too much, then it becomes a problem to them.

 

[celebrityskin]

It's like the libertarians who said but Facebook, Google and Twitter are private companies. Then they got their accounts banned and alternatives quashed.

Libertarians will never be the face of the GOP or American right-wing politics. Ever.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

If the right wins it won't be because the rights winning.

IF the right wins. 2020 showed us the Democrats may "not lose" a major election again.

Especially when mainstream media covers up accusations of fraud with "it's just a conspiracy theory bro".

 

[Grub]

Depends on what class of people you're talking about. I don't think I've ever met an actual woke middle class or even lower-lower middle class blue collar worker type person. Construction workers, contractors, tradespeople, people like that and even in specialized retail businesses servicing people like that. There's no fucking around with current year fuckery. There's no diversity quotas, or language police or worrying about people's speshul identities and feelings.

Where you do see a lot of the woke shit coming from is middle-upper class white collar people, poor retail and service workers and academia.

The funny thing is, having spent much of the last 10 years working with and being around blue collar type folks, I've probably worked in more 'diverse' environments than any corporation with diversity mandates or whatever. I've worked with people of all kinds from all of over the world, there was only one thing that ever mattered, were they retards? If not all good, people mostly got along, there isn't time for that kinda shit, there's work to be done. Otherwise well, there's the McDonalds around the corner bud.

 

[Dom Cruise]

People are generally decent, not saints but certainly not monsters, and wokism latched on to that. Most people don't hate other races just because they look different, or think there's anything wrong with normie gays who just want quiet lives with their husbands, or think women don't deserve the same rights as men, or feel like an extremely effeminate gay man who feels more comfortable dressing like a woman is a threat to them. So they shrugged an went along with it because they're good people and, in theory, they agreed with a lot of the things wokesters claimed to want.

Now that it's become more extreme people know something is wrong but wokesters have become so loud and gained so much institutional power, regular people are afraid of having their lives ruined and losing their livelihoods if the speak out.

They preyed on people's better nature, they literally weaponized empathy and the desire to do good, think about how evil that is.

They weaponized people's fear of one form of extremism in order to normalize the opposite form of extremism.

Yep we're doomed for another civil war. The civil war we get won't be nice or pretty in fact anyone who says you can't win against an army that has tanks bombs and jets doesn't seem to understand asymmetrical warfare even in the age of drone technology there are plenty of counter measures and small drones are cheap enough that some autist in his or her basement/garage can easily create drone bombs and use it on the government as well.

Or all it would take is putting down the most extreme Antifa types in Minecraft and it would be over with in a matter of days.

I don't know if it would be as dramatic as what you're saying, but it is clear that there's people on the left who aren't going to be happy until they can enact violence on their political enemies.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Or all it would take is putting down the most extreme Antifa types in Minecraft and it would be over with in a matter of days.

I don't know if it would be as dramatic as what you're saying, but it is clear that there's people on the left who aren't going to be happy until they can enact violence on their political enemies.

They would sit waiting until another chance arrives to start this whole issue up again. Nazi's in Germany killed many Antifa types, so they hid underground made their way to the USA and then started up their operation again. Now however, you don't just have Antifa, you have BLM and other organizations the left has empowered. (La Raza )

 

[DejaThoris]

This woke ideology is built on a house of sand, it can't last indefinitely. My only concerns are how long it takes before it finally dies and what kind of damage it does before it's death.

The Soviet Union lasted something like 80 years. Sometimes bad things last a long time. This woke shit could possibly outlive us all. I hate to think what the USA would look like after 80 years of woke culture.

If the pendulum finally swings back to the right in the year 2101 then who knows what that swing will look like or what social weirdness will have evolved by then. Will the new right wing be Neo libertarian Quetzalcoatl worshippers fighting to establish the capitalist United States of Aztlan? Something stranger that we can't even imagine now?

 

[UzumakiLeaf]

They preyed on people's better nature, they literally weaponized empathy and the desire to do good, think about how evil that is.

They weaponized people's fear of one form of extremism in order to normalize the opposite form of extremism.

That is what makes it so hard to argue against, you just sound like an asshole and they argue that you are.

It really doesn't help that the biggest advocates against SJWs do tend to come across as assholes. "Facts do not care about your feelings" or "You just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps". It all sounds so cold and when you are in a tough place. Saying fuck your feelings or you just need to work harder just adds salt to the wound.

Then you have these other people that say yes we understand and want to help you. Here we will add more representation for you in media (insert REES from the likes of Quaerter Pounder) and what we need is more equity because society is so bigoted that equality is not enough. We need an upheaval to level the playing field.

I do see the appeal of this. However, with the current projectory the end result is just going to be more pain and suffering. What people forget is there is a very fine line between justice and revenge. In the end, two wrongs do not make a right. It is very easy to become the monster you seek to fight.

 

[Choc]

That is what makes it so hard to argue against, you just sound like an asshole and they argue that you are.

It really doesn't help that the biggest advocates against SJWs do tend to come across as assholes. "Facts do not care about your feelings" or "You just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps". It all sounds so cold and when you are in a tough place. Saying fuck your feelings or you just need to work harder just adds salt to the wound.

Then you have these other people that say yes we understand and want to help you. Here we will add more representation for you in media (insert REES from the likes of Quaerter Pounder) and what we need is more equity because society is so bigoted that equality is not enough. We need an upheaval to level the playing field.

I do see the appeal of this. However, with the current projectory the end result is just going to be more pain and suffering. What people forget is there is a very fine line between justice and revenge. In the end, two wrongs do not make a right. It is very easy to become the monster you seek to fight.

Asshole ≠ Invalid Argument.

The Effect of Genes on the Black-White IQ Gap makes a lot of people emotional, doesn’t mean bringing it up is bad.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

I think the worst of the normies embracing clown world is an illusion but I think some of it is sinking in which scares me.

That scares me too. The normies are the ones who effectively normalize things that shouldn't be normal. In a way, they're living up to their well-deserved label. Fear, stupidity, complacency, apathy, guilt, and conformity, among other reasons, lay the foundation of what passes for normie logic. At least, that's how I see it these days.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Libertarians will never be the face of the GOP or American right-wing politics. Ever.

Nope the closest chance we had was 1992 with Ross Perot and 2012 with the Ron Paul movement. Hell libertarians either are hosting a bunch of definitely not corporate media plants who jump on political bandwagons then infiltrate and destroy them so they can benefit the establishment. Or you have left wing ANTIFA plants who already distrust libertarians because of muh reactionary issues who infiltrate such groups and start coming up with oxymoronic terms like libertarian socialist to purposefully muddy the waters. Remember the 2016 libertarian conference the fat guy in question turned out to be some libertarian socialist communist.

 

[Ser Prize]

Yep. It's why the right wing constantly loses non-right allies, because those who are trying to point out the insanity are branded "extremist" for daring to say these people are grooming children and the right acts like nothing is wrong while the whole cafe is on fire. The whole trying to ally themselves with democrat voting minorities (But they'll be Christians, they'll vote right in a few years ) nonsense is also infuriating.

Like when they go to hug Hispanics and forget Hispanics had no problem stealing from the middle class for free gibs or the Black conservative groups voted for Biden over getting a potential free gib set.

It's less that they can't see the reality of the situation they are afraid if they admit the truth bad things will come from it while they ignore that ignoring those inherent truths (such as race different) has only led to more prolonged suffering and misery and potential genocide. The right's greatest failing is thinking acting in good intentions is a solid plan. It never was and never will be.

I'd say it goes deeper than that. I'd say the issue is that many people with right leaning politics are still victims of the left's moralizing brainwashing. Admitting that 'POC' members almost uniformly unite against whitey triggers the thought virus that "BUT THAT'S RACIST! RACIST=BADBADBAD".

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I'd say it goes deeper than that. I'd say the issue is that many people with right leaning politics are still victims of the left's moralizing brainwashing. Admitting that 'POC' members almost uniformly unite against whitey triggers the thought virus that "BUT THAT'S RACIST! RACIST=BADBADBAD".

I agree, it does it goes far deeper, I'd even argue it goes into tinfoil (but true) depth. It reminds me of the time I debated a black Republican about how not admitting the truth about race is desroying society and they then argued "Well if the truth were to get out then racist would use it to their advantage." To what? Undo the damage is far worse than letting them destroy society by lies and omissions?

Honestly, I start to suspect many minority groups formed an anti-White group many eons ago and peppered it to their children to get revenge on White civilizations. Some unspoken rules that they know about similar to how one of my black friends used to inform me that his family acted way different around white people and when they weren't around. A deep hatred they would release once whitey was nowhere in sight. Even my arab friend told me that Hispanics and Blacks are doing this to White's because it's a battle of dominance. So the other groups are aware of this and do acknowledge it being a thing.

Whites have had their self-preservation destroyed due to propoganda during 1930-1990s to the point I'm not sure enough will wake up to the truth before whites are nearly erased from existence with no help from white women and self hating white men.

 

[dirtydeanna96]

2011, the Arab spring and occupy.
a number of my friends started back then, i thought eventually they would see how nuts it all was.

but.. it's been a decade now guys.

 

[Ser Prize]

I agree, it does it goes far deeper, I'd even argue it goes into tinfoil (but true) depth. It reminds me of the time I debated a black Republican about how not admitting the truth about race is desroying society and they then argued "Well if the truth were to get out then racist would use it to their advantage." To what? Undo the damage is far worse than letting them destroy society by lies and omissions?

Honestly, I start to suspect many minority groups formed an anti-White group many eons ago and peppered it to their children to get revenge on White civilizations. Some unspoken rules that they know about similar to how one of my black friends used to inform me that his family acted way different around white people and when they weren't around. A deep hatred they would release once whitey was nowhere in sight. Even my arab friend told me that Hispanics and Blacks are doing this to White's because it's a battle of dominance. So the other groups are aware of this and do acknowledge it being a thing.

Whites have had their self-preservation destroyed due to propoganda during 1930-1990s to the point I'm not sure enough will wake up to the truth before whites are nearly erased from existence with no help from white women and self hating white men.

I don't think there was any nefarious secret meeting to disseminate anti-white feelings to the children of minorities. I think, as your arab friend said, it's merely a species-old case of tribalism and dominance. Different groups who inherently realize they're different acting in service solely of themselves against the host. Once such a sizable population has amassed as to make this a problem I fear it is terminal.

What was mainstream thought in the early 1900's is radical extremist hate nowadays, such notions of ethnic self preservation had to be carved from the minds of at least three generations so that they may quietly march towards their death. What better weapon than WW2 to cut a new wound when the one slavery cut had healed.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I don't think there was any nefarious secret meeting to disseminate anti-white feelings to the children of minorities. I think, as your arab friend said, it's merely a species-old case of tribalism and dominance. Different groups who inherently realize they're different acting in service solely of themselves against the host. Once such a sizable population has amassed as to make this a problem I fear it is terminal.

What was mainstream thought in the early 1900's is radical extremist hate nowadays, such notions of ethnic self preservation had to be carved from the minds of at least three generations so that they may quietly march towards their death. What better weapon than WW2 to cut a new wound when the one slavery cut had healed.

Well to be more specific I don't think they literally sat by a campfire and formed an agreement pact, but I wouldn't be surprised if different tribes began to resent the one tribe that went further than their own and began to find ways to try to undermine that which had dominated them.

You look at society currently and how blacks and hispanics hate each other, blacks and hispanics don't have the nicest view of asians, and yet all three of them vote democrat, and even call the republican party "the White man's party." Yet the democrat party screws asians, and blacks. Even the Jews vote primarily D. Yet, they get screwed too. It seems odd to see it play out despite there being ample evidence that it hurts their children and group too, unless damaging whites despite taking the blowback seems worth it. It raises my suspicions a bit to say the least.

 

[Ser Prize]

Well to be more specific I don't think they literally sat by a campfire and formed an agreement pact, but I wouldn't be surprised if different tribes began to resent the one tribe that went further than their own and began to find ways to try to undermine that which had dominated them.

You look at society currently and how blacks and hispanics hate each other, blacks and hispanics don't have the nicest view of asians, and yet all three of them vote democrat, and even call the republican party "the White man's party." Yet the democrat party screws asians, and blacks. Even the Jews vote primarily D. Yet, they get screwed too. It seems odd to see it play out despite there being ample evidence that it hurts their children and group too, unless damaging whites despite taking the blowback seems worth it. It raises my suspicions a bit to say the least.

In that example it's one tribe using the others as a weapon, all to advocate self interest at the harm of the host tribe. Which they can only accomplish via a century of constant guilt and brainwashing, demonizing the mere concept of white people trying to protect their continued existence.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

Chronologically, i would say around 2015.
Emotionally, when they started to be scared of activists who could ruin their life calling them racists in public.

Something something the result of 7 decades collectively spent reading every single social issues through the anachronistic lens of nazism/not nazism.