When did normies become "woke"?

[4STA]

It is a simple answer really. When the flow of information became much more centralized and began guiding people to "woke" content and filtering out any "non-woke" content. Then quickly over time most people are programmed to agree to the only type of opinion they're allowed to see or state.

I said exactly this would happen when Big Tech began their information control, but for some reason this wasn't the obvious outcome to even most of the people noting the control was taking place, as in they thought most people would just remain independent thinking and 2016 2.0 will come again soon! (lol, the delusion)

Look, how is a kid today supposed to be anything but woke for example? They literally never see anything else, it is just the norm for them. It is like asking boomer's to be race realists. It is Verbotem.

 

[celebrityskin]

2011, the Arab spring

There are wokes in the Arab world sure, but they're either extremely online or very pick-and-choose with their activism.
How would this impact the West?

 

[dirtydeanna96]

There are wokes in the Arab world sure, but they're either extremely online or very pick-and-choose with their activism.
How would this impact the West?

it was a direct precursor to the occupy movement in 2011, and the use of the "progressive stack", letting gay, black, poor, trans people speak first, and giving their voice more weight than a non-minority. it was the beginning of the end.

 

[LillWeeb]

I dont think, normies even know that anything changed in the last decade or so. To them its just politics as usual and nothing culturally changed since 2010 or so. They dont know what a SJW let alone that their ideology is even a thing. The never heard of intersectionality, think feminism is just woman wanting to go work as an example. Normies have no concept of LGBTSJNHAKJSXNAKNSXA+ is and that troons are just gay men men who want to wear dresses.

 

[Moe Szylak]

A lot of them are just pretending, too; they know that they'll be left alone if they appear to be supporting the mob's nonsense, but behind closed doors it's a different story. They just maintain the facade because a lot of them have actual stakes in society (like jobs, a family, a reputation, etc) that they're not willing to risk with political bullshit, which is understandable.

One of my favorite personal examples: there's a guy at work that seems like the soyest leftie cuck you'd ever meet, until you get him on a night out in safe company and a few beers down. It was almost heartwarming to realize that he wasn't the damned soul that I thought he was, and that a lot of his apparent beliefs were deliberate slight-of-hand to distract the crazies away from fucking his shit up.

I couldn't work in that kind of environment. I understand that you have to keep right wing opinions to yourself in many work places, but pretending to be a woke soy-sipper just to fit in and be left alone? Fuck that shit.

 

[Fastest Hand In The East]

It all begun after this idiot Hitler made "white" and "nationalism" curse words and jews the perpetual victims.

 

[Moe Szylak]

It all begun after this idiot Hitler made "white" and "nationalism" curse words and jews the perpetual victims.

Even if Hitler had never been born, Jews would have found another way to play the eternal victim. It would most likely have been something referring to their 109 expulsions over the centuries.

 

[Lemmingwise]

It started somewhat after atheism+. I think the media op for caitlin jenner is as good a point as any where mainstream wokeness really started. But elements of this kind of wokeness goes all the way back to the late seventies, with all of the anti-white, anti-male, anti-heterosexual rhetoric already established.

That is what makes it so hard to argue against, you just sound like an asshole and they argue that you are.

It really isn't hard at all.

It's just about morality. Each side claiming moral highground. But lemmings aren't well versed in defending their ideas, so all you gotta do is lob a few rhetorical molotovs and they're scrambling for safety. Once you accept that their nice adherence to evil ideology makes their actions evil, it becomes righteous to divorce them from that ideology. Yes, this means you have to hurt nice and sweet people's feelings by saying that they are acting in an evil way and why.

It literally is just hundred sides trying to terrorize each other and whichever gang can extend an umbrella of protection over the most people to safely be in their ideology. At its root that's all culture wars are.

 

[El Gato Grande]

Normies became woke post 2015 when the domination of the social and cosmopolitan elite by leftist identity politics reached a critical mass, giving the ideology enough power to dominate mainstream media and wield sufficient cultural authority to pressure most people to do what it wants (either support it or shut up).

It’s the latest stage in the culture war that started in the 60s between right wingers who base their morality on practicality and Christian -based virtues such as temperance and working hard to support one’s family and leftists who base their morality on avoiding harm/pain and personal indulgence.

The right rarely fought the left as hard as the left fought it because modern western right-wingers almost always have a more complex set of principles based on objective fairness and a sense of self preservation/preference which they place before collective politics, while leftists agitate as much as possible without a second thought. Most conservatives are terrified of losing their white collar jobs or offending people in public whereas leftists idolize people who insult their managers before quitting or engage in disruptive/violent protests. This allowed leftists to steadily gain power in institutions, as they were more uncompromising and brave than people on the right.

In addition, modern society makes wokism viable in the first place. If you think about it most conservative virtues (such as in group preference, supremacy of the family and appreciation for practical capability) are based on practicality in a world without the peace and material abundance we see today, which is why almost every society pre 1960 would be seen as “far-right Nazi evil!”. Use it or lose it.

This leads us to the present day where leftists have taken enough power in academia, the media and the elite at large to usher in their revolution in pop culture. As always right wingers get dopamine highs by screaming their disapproval at each other on increasingly marginalized forums while leftists continue to unapologetically seize power.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Normies became woke post 2015 when the domination of the social and cosmopolitan elite by leftist identity politics reached a critical mass, giving the ideology enough power to dominate mainstream media and wield sufficient cultural authority to pressure most people to do what it wants (either support it or shut up).

It’s the latest stage in the culture war that started in the 60s between right wingers who base their morality on practicality and Christian -based virtues such as temperance and working hard to support one’s family and leftists who base their morality on avoiding harm/pain and personal indulgence.

The right rarely fought the left as hard as the left fought it because modern western right-wingers almost always have a more complex set of principles based on objective fairness and a sense of self preservation/preference which they place before collective politics, while leftists agitate as much as possible without a second thought. Most conservatives are terrified of losing their white collar jobs or offending people in public whereas leftists idolize people who insult their managers before quitting or engage in disruptive/violent protests. This allowed leftists to steadily gain power in institutions, as they were more uncompromising and brave than people on the right.

In addition, modern society makes wokism viable in the first place. If you think about it most conservative virtues (such as in group preference, supremacy of the family and appreciation for practical capability) are based on practicality in a world without the peace and material abundance we see today, which is why almost every society pre 1960 would be seen as “far-right Nazi evil!”. Use it or lose it.

This leads us to the present day where leftists have taken enough power in academia, the media and the elite at large to usher in their revolution in pop culture. As always right wingers get dopamine highs by screaming their disapproval at each other on increasingly marginalized forums while leftists continue to unapologetically seize power.

Jesus, that expresses so many of my frustrations with today's politics that I really shouldn't have posted, but yet I do.

 

[David Brown]

Most conservatives are terrified of losing their white collar jobs or offending people in public whereas leftists idolize people who insult their managers before quitting or engage in disruptive/violent protests. This allowed leftists to steadily gain power in institutions, as they were more uncompromising and brave than people on the right.

I think it's less that "leftists" (I mean here the Kaczynskian meaning of leftist) are more "brave" but rather they have institutional and legal support but they also don't have families or decent jobs or property they have to lose. Ironically their status as degenerate deadbeats means they are more willing to engage in risky behavior because the worst thing that will happen to them is maybe a beating and getting throw in a cage with free food, lodging, drugs (prisons have drugs too) while some hook nosed lawyer helps them get parole or probation.

 

[X Prime]

It seems odd to see it play out despite there being ample evidence that it hurts their children and group too, unless damaging whites despite taking the blowback seems worth it. It raises my suspicions a bit to say the least.

There's a simple answer to this: the handouts and social services.

That's what all groups that vote Democrat have in common, the desire for increased government social services.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Normies became woke post 2015 when the domination of the social and cosmopolitan elite by leftist identity politics reached a critical mass, giving the ideology enough power to dominate mainstream media and wield sufficient cultural authority to pressure most people to do what it wants (either support it or shut up).

It’s the latest stage in the culture war that started in the 60s between right wingers who base their morality on practicality and Christian -based virtues such as temperance and working hard to support one’s family and leftists who base their morality on avoiding harm/pain and personal indulgence.

The right rarely fought the left as hard as the left fought it because modern western right-wingers almost always have a more complex set of principles based on objective fairness and a sense of self preservation/preference which they place before collective politics, while leftists agitate as much as possible without a second thought. Most conservatives are terrified of losing their white collar jobs or offending people in public whereas leftists idolize people who insult their managers before quitting or engage in disruptive/violent protests. This allowed leftists to steadily gain power in institutions, as they were more uncompromising and brave than people on the right.

In addition, modern society makes wokism viable in the first place. If you think about it most conservative virtues (such as in group preference, supremacy of the family and appreciation for practical capability) are based on practicality in a world without the peace and material abundance we see today, which is why almost every society pre 1960 would be seen as “far-right Nazi evil!”. Use it or lose it.

This leads us to the present day where leftists have taken enough power in academia, the media and the elite at large to usher in their revolution in pop culture. As always right wingers get dopamine highs by screaming their disapproval at each other on increasingly marginalized forums while leftists continue to unapologetically seize power.

There is one thing I fear about that. Leftists if they continue to seize power and continue to cross's lines my question is what line causes people to snap if there is one. If the right can't get their word out and no peaceful revolution can occur because the forums right-wingers express their grievences become more and more marginalized and censored isn't the only outcome to s situation like this a violent revolution?

 

[FunPosting101]

I disagree with the central premise of this thread, the average normalfag isn't woke, at most they pretend to be in order to avoid trouble.

 

[draggs]

When they learned that acquiescing to woke shit is the path of least resistance for their lives

 

[El Gato Grande]

I think it's less that "leftists" (I mean here the Kaczynskian meaning of leftist) are more "brave" but rather they have institutional and legal support but they also don't have families or decent jobs or property they have to lose. Ironically their status as degenerate deadbeats means they are more willing to engage in risky behavior because the worst thing that will happen to them is maybe a beating and getting throw in a cage with free food, lodging, drugs (prisons have drugs too) while some hook nosed lawyer helps them get parole or probation.

I agree. Leftism appeals the most to people who have nothing to lose (or think they have nothing to lose) because tearing down society means nothing to them and since they have no personal wealth to be redistributed they only stand to gain. You can see this throughout history where all successful communist revolutions happened in countries with an enormous peasant class that didn’t even own the land they worked on (China, Tsarist Russia, Latin America) while countries with a substantial middle class which had an investment in the current system (America, Western Europe) defeated any attempted communist revolutions and go right-wing when they go authoritarian.

I think a lot of it ties back to hedonism. American (and a lot of western) culture holds the overall belief that you should be allowed to pursue pleasure in any way you desire unless it hurts someone else. This has been the case since before Bunker Hill, but in the contemporary era the goal of harm avoidance (and therefore maximization of hedonism) has expanded to erode traditional values, and finally to impose social taboos (or even laws) designed to prevent harm. What have been the biggest causes of harm in America in recent memory? We’ve never been invaded. We didn’t lose 1/3 of our population to plague rats. All the wars we fought since 1865 have been in far away lands with minimal casualties compared to the other belligerents. The two sources of public duress progressives have to fall back on are historic social justice issues such as racism and gay rights which were serious social conflicts well into the 20th century, and the downsides of modern western economies such as competition and rising costs of living, which they also complain a lot about.

hedonism/pain avoidance also leads them to reject ideas regarding merit and self improvement, as judgement and criticism are painful. Therefore they see inequality as being due to external factors instead of internal ones. If black people are poor, it means society is systematically treating them worse than people who are doing fine, so therefore society must be forced to be nicer to them. Sex is great, so we have to go above and beyond to make sure everyone feels good doing it. I’m not working at McDicks and popping antidepressants like Lifesavers at 30 because I lack self control and self reflection, it’s because I deserve Elon Musk’s money. My pleasure is valid! If nobody was racist everyone would get along!

 

[Ser Prize]

There is one thing I fear about that. Leftists if they continue to seize power and continue to cross's lines my question is what line causes people to snap if there is one. If the right can't get their word out and no peaceful revolution can occur because the forums right-wingers express their grievences become more and more marginalized and censored isn't the only outcome to s situation like this a violent revolution?

I'm of the opinion that peaceful revolution is impossible, if only because leftists are so drunk on power.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

It might not be directly linked with that thread but I saw this clip of Carl Sagan who predicted this whole woke mess 25 years ago posted last Summer.