Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Positron]

but the fact they sided with HIM so fast over me didn’t make me want to stay there, so I quit shortly after.

I hope that company went bankrupt.

 

[Realtranswidow]

I supported my husband’s transition. He had always been bi, very femme and I admit to being attracted to that because I was gender non conforming myself.

The thing that has peaked me is multiple small and very large cuts.

I’m destitute, about to be homeless. He put us both in massive debt behind my back. I’ve basically lost everything. I can’t afford to pay for the tiny apartment I’m much longer due to being incapable of work thanks to severe depression and diagnosed ptsd. Yes apparently you can get a ptsd diagnosis based on mental abuse. He never laid a hand on me and I come from a history of physical abuse. Hashtag why I stayed etc. I’d rather be punched in the face by a husband than go through what he did which was destroy the decent life that I worked hard for.

If trans women are real women why is it that most of them are polyamorous and into multiple kinks?

I won’t list the kinks my husband was into but they are vile.

I didn’t leave him, he left me to screw other trans women.

All my friends have abandoned me over this. The fact that I couldn’t be ok with him cheating on me because he was “poly” the fact that I “slut shamed” him.

I’m still a fiscal leftist but I am definitely a social conservative which makes me an absolute pariah.

Wish I could find friends here. I know that’s impossible with the opsec.

I’m completely alone, no family, parents dead, no siblings, in my 50s so it is extremely likely I will not live much longer.

 

[Barbenheimer]

I kept contact with some of the other employees I knew up to a point and a few of them left as well, not specifically for trans issues but as the saying goes ‘go woke go broke’. I’d be curious to see how they are now that Trump is pushing back against troons and DEI, probably act like they’ve always been against things like that since day one.

My issue was never solely with them as a company but the talking I got was telling me to be respectful and tolerant of other people, and when I tried to just air my side of the story, because that dude assuredly got to say what ever he wanted and twist is however he desired, I would be quickly cut off about how it didn’t “matter” how it happened but just to understand why it’s important to be respectful of other people. They also mentioned how this is a common problem in todays workplace and HR discussed some kind of training they might have for us to prevent this from happening to which I thought to myself ‘fuck no’

 

[2mm and 99 others]

It wasn't out of the blue. It was with the addition of "intersectionality". They believe that the more "marginalized" identities they ally with, the more empathetic they are.

Correct, right before troonery, the euro-cut antifa "feminism" was about defending islam, muslim men, no human is illegal, refugees welcome, and the right to wear hijab and such (but not the right NOT to wear it).
It's the very same people. I am yet to see someone, who is for islam, but not for troonery and vice versa.

EDIT to add a thought: The reason why it's so, might be that to do any left-leaning public activism & non-profit work, one has to be on good terms with the actual Antifa. If you aren't, then you are a nazi and receive violence or at least threats of it, and will lose EU funding (nazi can't get any, and you have to prove you aren't one, they don't have to prove anything. Antifa, where I live, represented in Pirate party, will make sure you lose the access to the EU tit) .
Values of the actual feminism that is about women, are very much against islam and troonery, and it's also not about money. So the ones who want to stay visible in public activism (more like, attention whoring) and get money, go with antifa rhetorics and do some shitty toothless liberal feminism on side.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Yeah that is exactly the college experience. It's so demoralising to find yourself caught up in the culture war against your will -- you have to get to know most people understanding that eventually, you'll be forced to pick one of two options, and both of them suck. The very worst thing is that this is supposed to be our clique. We're drawn to one another. The price you pay for being young, introverted, & artsy-looking is getting singled out on campus by people looking for signatures on their trans rights petitions & ending up on their shit list when you politely decline.

Entertaining them for a bit but making it clear (non verbally ofc) that you're not interested in being friends has worked for me over the last 3 years. I tend to hang out with friends in a cafe literally for art majors, so I've encounted my fair share of troons slash very drag-esque men (fashion design or whatever lmao).
This has come up for me recently because I have the option of living in a shared dorm (as in student run but with a single room for me ofc) with a fairly LGBT group. I stayed there over the summer and had a pooner, though she wasn't really grating other than one time she came to the kitchen with overalls and nothing else on (she had two ferrets which were cute and let me borrow her car to practice driving so ig it's even)

To speak for myself: I don't dislike most of the progressive idpol faction outside of the things they enable. On rare occasions, I even have pleasant interactions with actual (relatively stable) trannies about things we're interested in. But what does it matter? How do I navigate the stage of human connection in which we share vulnerable personal information? What am I supposed to say beyond "Um yeah I went to x school in x suburb and have no strong opinions about anything one way or the other"? It's taking all of my energy to maintain this flimsy facade of being a person I am not. (note the recurring theme!)

Ask yourself what you think you're hiding when you interact with them. If it's surface level aka "you look like a hideous clown cosplay and should off yourself NOW" it's helpful to remember they probably think that about themselves every other day. If it's more political aka "you're not valid ywnbaw eat lead" remember that if they don't evolve past this stage they probably will down the line anyways.
I've taken to giving them the benefit of the doubt in cases where I don't know them as being freaks, because hopefully many of them will detrans once they don't get any validation for their delusions or mental illness.
The way I see it it's better to face them head on and emerge stronger (and more valid in criticisms of them) than to desperately try and avoid them (and likely end up with other cow tier people as a result, it's good to remember college is an embarrassing time for a lot of people). It's also good to remember that most other people are just like you, subtly trying to forget troons exist or not acknowledge their heckin validness. They win if you think about them 24/7, remember that
And always remember

 

[FinnSven]

She refused to answer (yet posted publicly) that I was being transphobic and that she didn’t have female parts, she just had body parts. This was long before I had heard of troons gleefully using “girldick” to refer to their dicks, but I knew that she was full of shit because there is no such thing as a male or non binary vagina, uterus, cervix, etc.

This is what really annoys me about non binary claims and Troons/Poons who insist that biological sex is mutable or “fixable”.

Whatever their personal definition of sex is, there are conclusively observed biological and functional differences between male and female body parts.
There are pretty strong conclusions about mental and behavioral differences too.
Which while can be argued to be socialized, the fact that they are so frequently occurring across disparate human cultures internationally and historically, it’s a very strong indication that they are also biologically hard wired.

 

[bouquetnine]

I avoided a LOT of shit simply by being too busy to gaze at my navel. Seems it worked out well for me.

Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

 

[The Cringe Connoisseur]

I personally don't give two shits about trans people existing and that's about as equal as equal gets if you think about it and anyone who disagrees is a retard who doesn't know the difference between equality and demanding attention and praise but troons? Fuck those disgusting subhumans. Trans people DO exist and gender and body dysphoria IS a real thing but troons are just disgusting freaks looking for acceptance of their degeneracy and that's why none of them ever actually make any real attempts to transition. There are trans people out there who you would never know were born male or female unless they told you because they went through the proper channels, respectable above board doctors, got surgery, used proper hormone therapy and worked their asses off to pay for all of it because I imagine it costs a god damn fortune and they're living their best life as the person they wanted to be. Good for them. But a troon is just a disgusting unwashed fat fuck who doesn't even remotely try to present as a woman outside of wearing women's clothing that is seemingly always way too small, it's a fucking fetish for them and i'll be damned if i'll ever support these insane freaks or stop calling out the soylent virtue signaling retards who coddle them and give them what they want.

 

[A Fly on the wall]

Honestly my opinion on troons was tilted initially by bard Finn, some wife beating tranny Reddit power mod, followed by drop kiwi farms which is really what made me think to myself "okay, these people are incredibly fucking malicious". Then one attempted to come onto me and I told him to fuck off, which sent him into some narcissistic rage where he's still trying to ruin my life (keep trying buddy boy) and I think my opinion has just been worsening ever since then

 

[toilet_rainbow]

This is what really annoys me about non binary claims and Troons/Poons who insist that biological sex is mutable or “fixable”.

Whatever their personal definition of sex is, there are conclusively observed biological and functional differences between male and female body parts.
There are pretty strong conclusions about mental and behavioral differences too.
Which while can be argued to be socialized, the fact that they are so frequently occurring across disparate human cultures internationally and historically, it’s a very strong indication that they are also biologically hard wired.

It gets even better. “Bioessentialist” has become a popular synonym for terf in the past year in some tranny circles (Tumblr in particular). Simply acknowledging actual physical sex differences or sex socialization is all it takes for them to chimp out about tranny genocide. They loved to pretend that they “trusted the science” until the science that did get through proved time and time again how bullshit, even dangerous transgenderism is. In reality they despise biology, because it dismantles so much of their ideology that it threatens it.

 

[Nick Obre]

Trans people DO exist and gender and body dysphoria IS a real thing

Dysphorias exist but they're a self-perception issue. The anorexic woman isn't fat, she's all skin and bones; the bigorexic man isn't puny, he's a wall of muscle. The man who thinks his leg is not his leg is wrong about himself, his leg is his leg. The people in past centuries who believed themselves to be made of glass (this is a real, documented psychotic phenomenon) were not, in fact, gonna shatter if you bumped into them too hard.
There's NO SUCH THING as a real trans person. They can be sincerely WRONG about themselves, or under a mania, or desperately trying to escape themselves because of trauma, but they're NOT "in the wrong body" or anything like that.

And the sincere ones are a handful, the rest is abusers, fetish-consumed retards, and literal pedophiles using the sincere ones for cover.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

@Internet Wizard yeah you rite. I'm dealing with interpersonal drama as well and got caught up in my own head at the expense of my fellow man.

It's frustrating to extend patience to people who might not give it in return, but I have to remember that I was in the same boat not all that long ago and, if not for circumstance, probably still would be. and anyway all this is relevant to such a small portion of my waking life. I have good friends on both sides of the aisle.

(i can only imagine the stench emanating from a pooner & two ferrets in a student dorm over summer -- my condolences)

 

[FinnSven]

Dysphorias exist but they're a self-perception issue. The anorexic woman isn't fat, she's all skin and bones; the bigorexic man isn't puny, he's a wall of muscle. The man who thinks his leg is not his leg is wrong about himself, his leg is his leg. The people in past centuries who believed themselves to be made of glass (this is a real, documented psychotic phenomenon) were not, in fact, gonna shatter if you bumped into them too hard.
There's NO SUCH THING as a real trans person. They can be sincerely WRONG about themselves, or under a mania, or desperately trying to escape themselves because of trauma, but they're NOT "in the wrong body" or anything like that.

And the sincere ones are a handful, the rest is abusers, fetish-consumed retards, and literal pedophiles using the sincere ones for cover.

They are “real” in the sense of them firmly believing they should have been the opposite sex.

This doesn’t make them the opposite sex nor does it grant them an opposite sex “soul” or brain.

Mystical woo woo is all good sincere fun for middle aged ladies and hippies who are not done playing at being witches or wanting magic to be real, but it’s not scientifically backed.

Also, like the sincere Troons, these magic believers are crazy. Troons used to be largely harmless like them, but no one rational would seriously allow them the kind of preferential treatment or soft power that Troons have gained.

 

[Nick Obre]

Also, like the sincere Troons, these magic believers are crazy. Troons used to be largely harmless like them

From personal experience, magic believers are not harmless. For sure they're not causing a society-wide upheaval (not anymore, at least), but they cause a lot of harm to the people around them. The people who suffer and die needlessly because they refuse proper medicine in favor of woo woo, are enough to determine that, no, you don't ever coddle nonsense, magical thinking beliefs. Doesn't matter if it's insensitive to the person or the culture or whatever the fuck.

That's how you get commies, santeria, wiccans, hippies, and trannies.

Sorry for going a bit off topic on this, but as I've said before in this thread, I hit peak trans right out of the gate because of my staunch material atheism. Tranny arguments for their "validity" always seemed indistinguishable to me from spiritual claims about the soul, or magic powers, or reincarnation. Pure nonsense.
I did get more and more critical of them as I saw how uniquely monstrous they are as people tho.

 

[FinnSven]

The people who suffer and die needlessly because they refuse proper medicine in favor of woo woo, are enough to determine that, no, you don't ever coddle nonsense, magical thinking beliefs. Doesn't matter if it's insensitive to the person or the culture or whatever the fuck.

Aha!

Yes those cause harm.

I was thinking of and meaning batty people who like tarot cards and crystals and all that wank.

 

[Aunt Carol]

All my friends have abandoned me over this. The fact that I couldn’t be ok with him cheating on me because he was “poly” the fact that I “slut shamed” him.

I am absolutely not defending polyamory people but the keyboard warrior and apologists will back you up that that isn't "true polyamory." I don't know the cutesy nickname, but it's a poly foul to unilaterally decide to change the terms of a relationship so you can midlife crisis bang troons. It happens all the time, of course, but they're legally required to censure it.

The trans shield covers so much abuse. And I bet everyone's falling over themselves to say how open-minded they are about trooning and poly, and not saying anything about keeping financial secrets and then leaving you in debt.

For sure they're not causing a society-wide upheaval (not anymore, at least), but they cause a lot of harm to the people around them. [...]

That's how you get commies, santeria, wiccans, hippies, and trannies.

Sorry for going a bit off topic on this, but as I've said before in this thread, I hit peak trans right out of the gate because of my staunch material atheism. Tranny arguments for their "validity" always seemed indistinguishable to me from spiritual claims about the soul, or magic powers, or reincarnation. Pure nonsense.
I did get more and more critical of them as I saw how uniquely monstrous they are as people tho.

This is how I feel too: what the troons say is like how religious people talk about souls. It was a Bodysnatchers moment seeing the online fedora atheist assholes utterly knuckle under to transgenderism. In retrospect, a lot of them aren't skeptics or atheists, just anti-Christian, or anti-Mom and Dad and Society. Dave/Danielle Muscato was a big turning point; I thought that was going to turn out to be a prank proving the validity of personal revelation.

It's uncomfortable being "on the same side" as religious people on issues, because after you get past the troon lying and crybullying and attacking free speech, we're against the troons for different reasons, and our fundamental understanding of the universe is different.

I could handle it when trans was a very small amount of people who were obviously having problems, dealing with them personally and medically and respectfully to others, and being more functional as a result. Something here about vaccine exemptions and herd immunity; a healthy community can tolerate a couple of transsexuals, but if 10% of it is "transgender" and transgender means a free pass to do whatever you want, it's going to keep spreading and become unsustainable.

I explained it like this to an older, nicer person: I see a person with "they/them" on a badge, it's like seeing a T-shirt that says "ask me about Dianetics." It is a red flag for exactly the same reason: personal instability, and powerful institutional backing that loves to destroy individuals it identifies as a threat.

 

[The Cringe Connoisseur]

The people who suffer and die needlessly because they refuse proper medicine in favor of woo woo

I can link you to numerous accounts of christians doing this stupid shit to their own kids how is it a trans thing? There's entire sects of abrahamic cultists who think their fictional sky daddy will cure them if they pray hard enough and then just shrug when their kids die from easy to treat diseases and infections.

 

[The Poopsmith]

I considered myself "non-binary" for two years (the pandemic really fucked with my head). The more I learned about the community I was a part of the more disgusted I became with how fake it was. Dissenting opinions on gender-related stuff simply were not allowed. You step out of line and all that "inclusivity" goes down the shitter. That's when it all began to unravel. I've left that behind now, and I'm grateful that I had someone very close to me help pull me out of it. It was a horrible place to be mentally and physically.

 

[The Silent Perjority]

Can I ask why?
What could possibly make you think you were neither male nor female for two years despite all the evidence to the contrary?

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

Fallout: The Frontier. Did it take so long to make that mod because the worst devs on it were busy masturbating?!

Portland used to be a much nicer city and I at least partially blame freaks like this for shitting it up.