Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[chiobu]

Go on any "lesbian" or "women" space on Reddit and it varies between 25% to 90% of posts being troons, and the mods are all either power-mod troons or are inactive. The most ironic is "TwoXChromosomes". A sub literally named after the fact that women have a separate genetic structure to men, and the troons took it over. I'm more surprised they're able to browse with the name hanging over every post without 41%ing but then a lot have probably convinced themselves they are XX and could grow a vagina by taking enough Estrogen to calcify their muscles or that sissy hypno porn will unlock the big vagina cummies. Unless it's a specifically female porn sub the trannies take over, and they only fail in the porn subs because men are jerking off to them and don't want to see ten-foot wide shoulders on their milf sockjob adult nursing pegging videos.

That latter part makes me laugh/sort of not give a shit about women losing their spaces. Ever since I even conceptualised that certain groups of people would desire separate spaces I've been told that male only spaces need to be abolished, and now that broken men have twisted it around onto women they have no way of fighting back. Men aren't bullshitting to each other that the deformed cock on /r/vagina is actually beautiful, they downvote and send some hate mail. I find it absolutely hilarious that the one safe space for women remaining in our society is one where they have to deal with men ogling them and treating them like pieces of meat.

don't forget r/actuallesbian's user overlap lol

https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/actuallesbians

https://archive.ph/YJe44

 

[FatDragonDaddy]

I just got banned from r/Feminism because I brought up this article.

For context, I couldn't post a direct link. However, I did give reference to the article and how to find it. I thought the article presented thoughtful insight from a trans woman on why she understood where JK Rowling was coming from, even if she didn't agree with her.

I got permanent ban for hate speech.

 

[chiobu]

I just got banned from r/Feminism because I brought up this article.

For context, I couldn't post a direct link. However, I did give reference to the article and how to find it. I thought the article presented thoughtful insight from a trans woman on why she understood where JK Rowling was coming from, even if she didn't agree with her.

I got permanent ban for hate speech.

Well, r/florida's jannies think the words "grooming" or "groomers" constitute hate speech, so I'm not sure what hate speech means anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/tqfqz9/florida_governor_ron_desantis_signs_bill_limiting/i2hpuy3/

 

[Baraadmirer]

Well, r/florida's jannies think the words "grooming" or "groomers" constitute hate speech, so I'm not sure what hate speech means anymore.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/tqfqz9/florida_governor_ron_desantis_signs_bill_limiting/i2hpuy3/

Since when do the LGBT have a monopoly on grooming?

 

[chiobu]

Since when do the LGBT have a monopoly on grooming?

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/22283/ex-gop-gov-candidate-calls-for-firing-squad-for-trans-rights-supporters-political-foes/

https://newrepublic.com/article/165761/republican-governors-grooming-crt-trans-rights

 

[Phil's Oddly Shaped Head]

When all the fattest, ugliest, baldest, most depressed caveman looking computer janitors on SA started a troon thread and started multiplying. I was convinced they were becoming girls because it was the only way they'd ever touch one, like the incel to troon pipeline before I even knew that was a real thing - I then learned about AGP lurking here which instantly explains these guys - I then learned about what a frankenvagina really is, the glee these sickos take in 'cracking eggs', ie mutilating a new generation of vulnerable young autists, male and female, the genuinely murderous jealousy they have for real girls, the abusive IT husbands forcing their sad timid wives to play along with their nasty fetish 24 hours a day, etc etc etc. And well now I guess I'm fully peaked.

 

[Just Another Autist]

I just got banned from r/Feminism because I brought up this article.

For context, I couldn't post a direct link. However, I did give reference to the article and how to find it. I thought the article presented thoughtful insight from a trans woman on why she understood where JK Rowling was coming from, even if she didn't agree with her.

I got permanent ban for hate speech.

A piece of cognitive dissonance from that article that's peaking me right now:

Since she liked her first transphobic tweet, Rowling has been receiving death and rape threats on a daily basis.

Three paragraphs later:

While Rowling’s fear of trans people is hardly rational, I recognise her fear of sexual violence and I join her fight for a safer world for women.

By the author's own admission, JK liked one single problematic tweet in 2017, and one in 2018. And has been getting death and rape threats from the trans community daily ever since. That means she only "irrationally" started fighting back in 2019 after two years of daily threats and harassment from the trans community.

It baffles me that even an article sympathetic to JK's perspective completely glosses over the way the trans community's abusive response to any criticism actively damages their cause.

 

[McSchlomo]

Because the reality is that even the most normal trans people that seemingly try their hardest to be normal and considerate are still only one step away from becoming a nutjob.

 

[FIetchling]

The peak of troons for me is the blatant predatory and/or perverted behaviour towards basically everybody, no matter the age, gender or sexuality. They are opprotunists always looking for a quick fuck no matter what, and it's surprising that this awful shit managed to slip through the cracks for so long.

It's telling when they constantly bitch about heterosexuals (and homosexuals on occasion, but mostly heteros) not being attracted to them, give kids who don't know any better "DIY HRT" under the guise of "helping them" to be just as sick as they are, and have such skewed mindsets on what a man/woman is. I remember there was some troon who thought being taken advantage of (read: raped) is key to being a woman; it's insane.

Troons are coomerbrains to the last atom. They are aware of this and try to play it off as something that "never happens" or some stupid excuse like that in hopes that nobody catches on, even though time has shown again and again that this is exactly the case. It's hilarious when a troon online claims that they aren't actually degenerate scum and are just joking around, and in the replies multiple other troons prove him dead wrong with their autogynephilia that has no hint of irony. This is because they know people can just asspat them no matter what.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

A friend came out as trans, he looked me dead in the eye and said that he wanted to be a women because their lives are easier and they aren't pressured into sex as often as men. That's it, that's the peak.

What the fuck are they on about “women aren’t pressured into sex as often as men” that’s just incorrect

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I always believed the whole thing was bullshit. Even as a teenager, I thought it was bullshit because I knew that a person's biological sex is unchangeable and even hardwired into their DNA. My opinion was only validated even further when I learned more about what SRS and HRT entailed. You're essentially sacrificing an authentic life as your biological sex in favor of a skin deep, yet incredibly grotesque, parody of the opposite sex. Even then I wondered why society chose to validate it rather than treat it like any other mental illness.

However, what I "peaked" in was realizing that it wasn't just harmful for gender dysphoric people, but the rest of society as well. As a former lolbertarian, I felt the need to tolerate it, or find compromises with the trans movement, even though I was deeply disgusted by the whole thing.

But no compromises can be made with such people. You cannot compromise with someone who is willfully confused about what's between their legs, hardwired into their DNA.

You see, when a person willfully lives a fantasy, they are easily angered by anyone or anything that refuses to validate them in said fantasy. Even the little things:

• A dog who is scared of men, being just as nervous around trans "women" as any other man.
• Participating in zoom calls with other transpeople, being forced to look at their faces and your own face
• A child (or even an entire classroom of children) being confused about what your sex is
• Artificial intelligence that consistently sniffs out what your biological sex is

Etc, etc.

Which is why they go to such incredible lengths to force everyone else to validate them. By threatening to kill themselves if others don't validate them, a classic manipulation tactic. Making it illegal to "misgender" them. Allowing men to compete with women, because said men were too cowardly to pick on someone their own size. Housing male rapists in women's prisons (who would then go on to rape their fellow inmates), and then punishing the women whenever they misgendered said rapist. Sexually harassing lesbians and straight men if they refuse to have sex with trans "women".

Whenever given a choice between forgoing validation in order to stand against a moral evil, or continuing to seek validation at the expense of others, they ALWAYS pick the latter.

As incredibly selfish and narcissistic as they are, they cannot be satisfied. No matter how much society validates them, they will never be happy. They're a bunch of black holes that are always hungry and can never be filled, and will even drag other people down with them.

Mainly by grooming children. And they are incredibly slow to disavow anyone who does so, if they even do it at all.

And yes, even though we all know that children can't consent to trooning out, you have to consider: if even a full-grown adult were mentally ill enough to believe that they were a woman trapped in a man's body (or vice versa) wouldn't their ability to consent also be compromised?

We're not above restricting a person's freedom to choose or act when we judge them to be mentally incompetent. So why isn't it illegal to perform SRS or HRT on ANYONE at all? Why isn't it against the law to change your legal documents to reflect your "gender identity" rather than your biological sex? You would have to be mentally ill in order to consent to any of that, mental ill enough to the point where your consent wouldn't even fucking matter because you lack the ability to give INFORMED consent.

That's pretty much the point where I realize that there's only one reason why trooning out isn't flat-out illegal: the medical industrial complex makes a killing off of it, and they will fight tooth and nail to maintain this status quo.

TL;DR: I was always disgusted by troonism, but it was somewhat fairly recently that I've concluded that trooning out shouldn't even be legal.

What the fuck are they on about “women aren’t pressured into sex as often as men” that’s just incorrect

Yep. Projection. Funny how there's a ton of receipts of straight men and lesbians who get pressured into sex with troons. I challenge anyone to find screencaps/archives of the reverse happening.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

I would describe my peaking as heavy metal poisoning. Bits and tidbits of things eventually compounding into me realizing this thing is horrific.

I know a few trans people. Then I found Kevin Gibes and looked at his nonsense. I'm someone who likes to understand what's going on in someone's head and I just saw suffering. I tried to think, "Well, there's good trans people out there" but then I realized that the people around me also showed signs of suffering.

Then I watched Exulansic's videos and she taught me how fucked up the procedures are. I also read the GRS Horror thread and just saw people having surgeries that gave them suffering and agony. They got sucked into this world by lies and such and it's terrible.

And that's when I realized "Oh god, this is ruining mentally ill people's lives. No one is getting better. No one is actually happy."

Transitioning rarely helps anyone. It should be a last resort. What they're doing to children and adults is horrific.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Transitioning rarely helps anyone. It should be a last resort. What they're doing to children and adults is horrific.

Should it even be a last resort?

It seems to me that transitioning is similar to a lobotomy in at least one regard: In both instances, it's done because they want an easy way out (seemingly) than dealing with complex mental issues.

Whenever lobotomies were performed, it was because they thought it would be better for the patient to live as a vegetable than deal with their mental issues. Whenever transitioning is done, it's because they think it's better for the patient to pretend to be a member of the opposite sex (or something in between) rather than get to the root of their problem and actually deal with it.

 

[DaBigBopper]

I heard Null's lipsy, feminine voice and knew they had to be destroyed.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Should it even be a last resort?

It seems to me that transitioning is similar to a lobotomy in at least one regard: In both instances, it's done because they want an easy way out (seemingly) than dealing with complex mental issues.

Whenever lobotomies were performed, it was because they thought it would be better for the patient to live as a vegetable than deal with their mental issues. Whenever transitioning is done, it's because they think it's better for the patient to pretend to be a member of the opposite sex (or something in between) rather than get to the root of their problem and actually deal with it.

It's funny you mentioned that because I often use the analogy of lobotomies when dealing with this situation. It was actually used because they didn't have any way to deal with mental illness. Literally all they had as procedures was different ways to cause brain damage. Lobotomies were simply a more controlled way to give someone brain damage.

The very important thing about why lobotomies stopped was because taking care of a vegetable is more time consuming and because psychiatric meds were discovered. Giving them medication actually worked and it was easier.

Lobtomies if I remember correctly are still performed but that is a very extreme procedure as in it's extremely rare. The one that is often used as a last resort is the Electroconvulsive therapy, the one where a shock is given to the brain and a seizure is produced. That one is used for mental illness that is resistant to psychiatric medicine.

The key to this is that gender dysphoria needs to be controlled with some kind of therapy or some kind or drug but that can't occur anymore because that would be considered conversion therapy. Other nations are still researching it however and people are seeing results with antipsychotic meds.

Back in the day actually transitioning was seen as a last resort. There were a lot of waiting periods and many doctors had to give the go on it. You had to have a very big bond with your therapist as well. Nowadays, it's being used a cure all for a very complicated condition. Many people suffer from transitioning and they aren't actually helped when they transition. They don't take that into account anymore so many adults and children are fucking up their bodies and lives.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The key to this is that gender dysphoria needs to be controlled with some kind of therapy or some kind or drug but that can't occur anymore because that would be considered conversion therapy. Other nations are still researching it however and people are seeing results with antipsychotic meds.

That may very well be another justification for outright outlawing GRS and HRT: It won't ever remain a last resort, because it's far more expensive to troon out than to actually get psychiatric help, so there is a profit incentive to get as many people to do so as possible.

There is also a profit incentive to discourage any other means of treating gender dysphoria. By smearing it as "conversion therapy." And thus no progress or research is done into helping people accept their biological sex as it is, or at least manage their gender dysphoria in non-destructive ways.

So I think it's at the point where there's only two choices:

1. Make it illegal to undergo GRS or HRT, or to perform such operations on others.
2. Sit idly by as transgender activists push to make it illegal to actually treat gender dysphoria the PROPER way.

 

[gang weeder]

That may very well be another justification for outright outlawing GRS and HRT: It won't ever remain a last resort, because it's far more expensive to troon out than to actually get psychiatric help, so there is a profit incentive to get as many people to do so as possible.

There is also a profit incentive to discourage any other means of treating gender dysphoria. By smearing it as "conversion therapy." And thus no progress or research is done into helping people accept their biological sex as it is, or at least manage their gender dysphoria in non-destructive ways.

So I think it's at the point where there's only two choices:

1. Make it illegal to undergo GRS or HRT, or to perform such operations on others.
2. Sit idly by as transgender activists push to make it illegal to actually treat gender dysphoria the PROPER way.

But what about muh freeze peach? You aren't advocating for censoring trannies, are you? Personally, I am a freeze peach absolutist. That means I believe that it's evil to ever oppose anything!

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

That may very well be another justification for outright outlawing GRS and HRT: It won't ever remain a last resort, because it's far more expensive to troon out than to actually get psychiatric help, so there is a profit incentive to get as many people to do so as possible.

There is also a profit incentive to discourage any other means of treating gender dysphoria. By smearing it as "conversion therapy." And thus no progress or research is done into helping people accept their biological sex as it is, or at least manage their gender dysphoria in non-destructive ways.

So I think it's at the point where there's only two choices:

1. Make it illegal to undergo GRS or HRT, or to perform such operations on others.
2. Sit idly by as transgender activists push to make it illegal to actually treat gender dysphoria the PROPER way.

That's not how the world works. Lobotomies didn't stop because they were unethical. They stopped because they found something that worked better.

I know you want it to stop but that's not how the world works. You need to find a better way to fix the problem. If you just ban it outright, mentally ill people will go to shady doctors in shady countries and end up in serious pain. You think our doctors are shit? Wait till you see the results of other doctors. It's going to keep happening until something better occurs.

Also we're not sitting idly, there's other nations trying to research this problem. There's even been a push in American psychology to try to treat the issue that's causing the trooning.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

That's not how the world works. Lobotomies didn't stop because they were unethical. They stopped because they found something that worked better.

I know you want it to stop but that's not how the world works. You need to find a better way to fix the problem. If you just ban it outright, mentally ill people will go to shady doctors in shady countries and end up in serious pain. You think our doctors are shit? Wait till you see the results of other doctors. It's going to keep happening until something better occurs.

Also we're not sitting idly, there's other nations trying to research this problem. There's even been a push in American psychology to try to treat the issue that's causing the trooning.

Except there's an even bigger cultural incentive, and profit incentive, to encourage transgenderism than there was to continue lobotomies. I don't think the medical industrial complex put nearly as much time and energy into promoting lobotomies as they do troonism. And they actively bury those who seek alternatives. Like making it illegal to do so, under the guise of anti-"conversion therapy" laws.

Hell, 40% percent of gen Z identifies as LGBTQ.

Even if you don't want to outlaw it right off the bat, we should by degrees. Heavily restrict it little by little.

I don't really buy the whole "safe, legal, and rare" bullshit. It doesn't work out that way.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Except there's an even bigger cultural incentive, and profit incentive, to encourage transgenderism than there was to continue lobotomies.

I agree. I only use the lobotomy analogy because it's the closest thing I have.

I don't think the medical industrial complex put nearly as much time and energy into promoting lobotomies as they do troonism.

You don't know the actual history of lobotomies. The guy who invented the trans orbital lobotomy went around in a car called the Lobotomobile and went from insane asylum to insane asylum performing the procedure on trouble patients. Many adults and children were lobotomized. It started with trouble adults then it went to small things in adults and then they went to children. The only reason it didn't spread faster was because it was a bit of surgery (just a bit) and the fact that psychiatric medicine was still quite new.

And they actively bury those who seek alternatives. Like making it illegal to do so, under the guise of anti-"conversion therapy" laws.

The medical industry isn't doing that. It's the mentally ill trans people and their allies that do that. They want you to think that we're killing them and we don't want them to exist. We actually just want them to function and live normal lives. The medical industry is simply taking their money because all they care about is money.

I don't really buy the whole "safe, legal, and rare" bullshit. It doesn't work out that way.

Look, I very much liked the process where therapists would take years to know the person and realize they're insane and fix 99.9% of the troons and then have to chop off the dicks of .01%. At that point, that .01% will actually die and that's when you use the last resort. They'll still probably die but it's much better than allowing every single person to mutilate themselves.

Personally, I would never want it to happen at all and that's why I push for people to find ways to combat dysphoria. It's extremely unethical. It's very bad for the patient. However, like some psychiatric practices, the extreme things are used as a last resort. To bring back the shock therapy, the side effects of that are quite bad but it's needed for the patient to actually function.

In perfect world, let's say there are 1000 people who think they're trans. 990 people react to medicine and therapy. What do you do for remaining 10 people? They're already lacking function. They're going to die if nothing happens. This is when you bring in the extreme measures.

If you can come up for a better idea for those ten people that isn't just "Try harder to get them not to die", please tell me.