Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[A Fucking Houseplant]

I don’t use social media so I caught on later than most. A friend showed me Ana Valens (a M2F trans) Tweet where they describe transwomen imprisoning, gang raping, and forcibly impregnating real women. It was the most upsetting, vile thing I’d seen online and I’ve been online since the Rotten.com days.

It wasn’t just that a lone pervert tweeted. It was that this person was considered a leader in the trans community and others were supporting it. The media enables their misogyny too. A person sharing graphic breeding camp rape fantasies was being hailed as a progressive hero.

What they were describing has actually happened to women during wars, it was sick. If a right winger had tweeted that, they would have been banned and rightfully pigpiled. Then I found out there were tons of other trans accounts just like Valens spreading misogynistic calls to violence and rape. I was a normie liberal until recently but am voting for right wing candidates for the foreseeable future, even though I hate the GOP. Trans people should be allowed to exist in peace but when they threaten or harm others, they should be held accountable the same as anyone else.

Sorry for the long post, this issue strikes a nerve with me. This is the tweet.View attachment 4240426

Not only was the post length just fine, you hit the nail on the damn head. This is also something I've noticed, and it boils my piss. Ana Valens and that other chubby fuck, Ana Long Chu or whoever are like the two top examples of what you're talking about. They are skeevy, lecherous skin-walking perverts who have openly made the most blatantly misogynist and puerile comments I've ever heard - pretty much on par with what your typical incel might write, if not a little worse.

To this day, every time I think about taking metropolitan liberals seriously, I just remember that these terminally online sex pests still have jobs working for chic lefty publications. Hell, I think they both live in New York or something, for that matter. It really boggles my mind how these people still have jobs, or are able to participate in the hip little enclaves they move in rather than live in exile out in the midwest or some random square state.

I'm not even going to venture a guess as to why so many handmaidens just... look the other way? Or do they agree with the shit these edgelords write? Do they just think it's funny because it's the new transgression, and if conservatives hate it then it most be cool? As if they never grew out of the school yard mentality of "you hate thing so it's good now!"

 

[Procrastinhater]

Not only was the post length just fine, you hit the nail on the damn head. This is also something I've noticed, and it boils my piss. Ana Valens and that other chubby fuck, Ana Long Chu or whoever are like the two top examples of what you're talking about. They are skeevy, lecherous skin-walking perverts who have openly made the most blatantly misogynist and puerile comments I've ever heard - pretty much on par with what your typical incel might write, if not a little worse.

To this day, every time I think about taking metropolitan liberals seriously, I just remember that these terminally online sex pests still have jobs working for chic lefty publications. Hell, I think they both live in New York or something, for that matter. It really boggles my mind how these people still have jobs, or are able to participate in the hip little enclaves they move in rather than live in exile out in the midwest or some random square state.

I'm not even going to venture a guess as to why so many handmaidens just... look the other way? Or do they agree with the shit these edgelords write? Do they just think it's funny because it's the new transgression, and if conservatives hate it then it most be cool? As if they never grew out of the school yard mentality of "you hate thing so it's good now!"

Ana Valens writes like an R9K incel because thats exactly what he is. If he hadn't cut his dick off he'd have pulled an Elliot Rodger, or more likely a fucking Couch Cuck. His posts have that bitter incel energy that just screams his creepy ass went through High School being rejected, probably because he has fucking serial killer vibes.
If eunuchs weren't protected he'd have been dragged over the gravel for half the bile filled shit he comes out with. All the Drop Kiwi Farms eunuchs are just incels that chased their perverted fetish shit until they cut off their dicks, they can't coom anymore, so they broadcast their sick fantasies to cope.

 

[doodoocaca]

I'm not even going to venture a guess as to why so many handmaidens just... look the other way?

Troons get a pass, because otherwise they don't, of course.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I'm not even going to venture a guess as to why so many handmaidens just...

Handmaidens protect troons because it's a form of virtue signalling. They broadcast to the world how kind, nurturing, and motherly they are to the poor speds who would otherwise be low-hanging fruit for mockery and scorn. How they're not like the "mean girls" who pick on the nerdy boys at school.

Surely they're not blind to the fact that troons are disgusting coomers and even dark-triad types, the type that actually EARNED all of the calumny and derision they received.

But that's when the sunk cost fallacy kicks in.

 

[AnOminous]

Handmaidens protect troons because it's a form of virtue signalling.

I hope they like getting raped because that's what their virtue signaling will earn them. If they refuse they will be accused of literally murdering troons by refusing to take the girl penis.

 

[Merton J. Dingle]

Do they just think it's funny because it's the new transgression, and if conservatives hate it then it most be cool?

Pretty much. The people in these liberal enclaves, regardless of their level of intelligence or where they went to school, are mostly rubes who repeat talking points and know very little about domains of information outside of their careers or favorite leisurely activities, just like the redneck boomer conservatives that they hate so much. They are ultimately a tool for people in positions of influence to advance their agenda and accumulate more money and power, ethics be damned.

 

[Chromeo]

Pretty much. The people in these liberal enclaves, regardless of their level of intelligence or where they went to school, are mostly rubes who repeat talking points and know very little about domains of information outside of their careers or favorite leisurely activities, just like the redneck boomer conservatives that they hate so much. They are ultimately a tool for people in positions of influence to advance their agenda and accumulate more money and power, ethics be damned.

I've experienced shit like this first-hand. If you voice a concern or even a slightly negative thought about the troon menace, everyone glares at you like you just said "faggot" at the top of your voice and people brush you off like "well, you need to not be on the internet so much" or "don't be transphobic." As if the actions of movement-leading activists are just cherrypicked bad apples. That's basically square 0 of peaking, is pure ignorance and an unwillingness to listen to wrongthink.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Tbh I'm pretty sure at this point it hasn't happened yet and I'm going to hate those motherfuckers more and more.

Even just a few years ago, I was trying to keep up the whole "live and let live" approach to these things, but they had to just keep pushing, and pushing, and stealing the places and people that I loved over and over again. They are literal cancer.

 

[Retard of the Month]

A news post on SmashBoards talking about the adult transgenders in the community, who knew they were trans.

When I was three years old, I thought I was a woman. I was gaslit by a classmate in preschool into thinking that if you had lips, you were a chick.
Again, I was three. I didn't know what boobs were, or what a vagina was (and I wish I still didn't know what a vagina looked like - those things are disgusting), or what chromosomes were. I thought what made someone a woman was bright lips and long hair. I'm pretty sure I also watched MLP at the time.

That's what I thought trannies were for the longest time, people who simply didn't know the difference between a man and a woman and just guessed based on tertiary characteristics and interests. People who just needed a sex ed class.

And then the SmashBoards thing happened.

That's when I learned that their delusions were deliberate.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

When I was three years old, I thought I was a woman. I was gaslit by a classmate in preschool into thinking that if you had lips, you were a chick.
Again, I was three. I didn't know what boobs were, or what a vagina was (and I wish I still didn't know what a vagina looked like - those things are disgusting), or what chromosomes were. I thought what made someone a woman was bright lips and long hair. I'm pretty sure I also watched MLP at the time.

That has to be the most regarded thing I’ve ever read on these boards. Not just this thread but the entirety of this board.

Seriously, don’t share that with people. Any three year old is smarter than that and you’re just really dumb and gullible.

 

[Nuthatches]

I've experienced shit like this first-hand. If you voice a concern or even a slightly negative thought about the troon menace, everyone glares at you like you just said "faggot" at the top of your voice and people brush you off like "well, you need to not be on the internet so much" or "don't be transphobic." As if the actions of movement-leading activists are just cherrypicked bad apples. That's basically square 0 of peaking, is pure ignorance and an unwillingness to listen to wrongthink.

I have experienced similar but I think you’d be surprised about how many liberals are secretly peaked. I, unfortunately, live in an ultra liberal progressive city where trans flags flying everywhere is a frequent sight. Despite this, I have had a lot of conversations with moms about how they don’t approve of trans ideology and agree with me on most of the issues. I haven’t gotten to the point of showing them how they are disgusting predators online, but they don’t let their kids around them.

Only one woman I haven’t been able to peak because her Californian brother in law trooned out and the idea that he is grooming and perhaps, already molesting, his 5 year old daughter with his “poly cue” is too much for her to imagine/handle.

 

[frippery]

Tbf I've seen the odd FtM Ayden that could be mistaken for a manlet, mainly roided out Buck Angel types, but I've never seen an MtF troon that could pass for a real woman, not outside of carefully staged, controlled and filtered still photos.

Ah, this reminded me of an interesting video I saw a few years ago where Wired interviewed a former CIA Chief of Disguises. She talks about how to transform a face/body and how women have a lot more options since you can always put more on a person: hair, height, weight, prostheses, (men can too, but they have less room to grow, so to speak).

Then she says, "You also have one extra step. You can change a woman into a man. I would mention that it's almost impossible to turn a man into a woman."

How the comments section isn't overrun with seething trannies, I have no idea.

 

[Frogget-me-not]

100% this. There's also an upsetting amount of autistic girls who are convinced (By peers and professionals alike) that because they don't do all the "girl" rituals like makeup, following feminine social cues, etc, things that just don't work when you're autistic, they're NOT girls, and because other people are telling them this they believe it and go headlong down the FtM pipeline. So even when your autism doesn't cause gender dysphoria, other people take your autism as a sign that you MUST be transgender.

Either way, they troon the tards and sterilize them all. Funny how that works out.

I really hope this isn't the calm before the storm.

I'm an adult woman who was a weird and awkward girl, but it was too long ago to get a diagnosis and/or get groomed about it. Charitably, I'd call myself a late bloomer.

It's sad that a kid has to think about "presenting" as anything, but this is the age where kids stop being visually androgynous. I mean she's leaving the stage where pink sparkles is assumed female, and dinosaur camo is assumed male. In my experience, it was weird when my body started being the visual determinant; the same utilitarian/autistic jeans, tee and weather-dependent layers, but people could tell I was a girl.

Blah blah blah failures of feminism, but IME as a pubertal kid I never really wanted to be seen as male because I wanted to be a male. I was trying, with my developing brain, to come to the realization that male is default human and female-human is like an add-on. Just realizing that I was a human in a human body, soon I had to figure out how to be an adult, and not only that I had to figure out how to be female on top of that. That's a lot of things!

BBS and Internet hit mid- to late-teens for me but the lesson of "no girls on the internet" went with that: default male, being vocally female meant you were trying to pull something. I appreciate the meritocracy aspect, but it's still a little hard to square that with being a woman who just... exists, same as anyone. It's always smart to have a username that doesn't sound like a girl--you get a lot less random trouble with Beetroot83 than you do with Kitten83--but, like, being a girl should be okay, man.

This makes me Mad IRL because this is exactly the path I was on a few years ago, as a late bloomer with a touch of undiagnosed tism — it doesn’t help that girls also go largely undiagnosed because they mask their symptoms more easily. How many (especially autistic/adhd) young girls out there are convinced that they must be transgender because they don’t understand the already complex teen girl social cues? Or feel repulsed by the changes brought on by puberty that top surgery and the idea of never having periods becomes an attractive option? From the outside, boys seem so simple and carefree in comparison.

One thing that gave me a minor peak was asking trans girls (MtF, teens probably) why the fuck they desired femininity when from my point of view (at the time a FtM), being a girl was the worst thing ever. I’m a little hazy on the responses, but it boiled down to “it feels nice”.

Side note: asking the same question on Reddit nowadays gets you “I don’t want to be a woman, I AM a woman” or “how dare you complain about being a woman to my face when you were born with MY perfect body!”

Here’s hoping the more high functioning autistic females have enough of a sense to desist and lead normal lives. At least your traditionally autistic male hobbies like video games, miniatures, and imageboard shitposting are completely run rampant with MtFs nowadays, so on the surface level they don’t look like “boy” hobbies and therefore, are “okay” to enjoy as a girl. Might end up being a critical difference down the line.

P.S. we should reinstate the good old “no girls on the internet” rule and see if that banishes all the TiMs

 

[Aunt Carol]

P.S. we should reinstate the good old “no girls on the internet” rule and see if that banishes all the TiMs

If someone could word it more wokely, it'd be worth a try. Somehow I think the "nobody cares about your inborn identity, just what you actually do" message wouldn't go over well, though.

"Identity without works is dead," maybe. They're already trying a 1:1 swap of gender for soul, so maybe it'll stick.

 

[behindyourightnow]

This makes me Mad IRL because this is exactly the path I was on a few years ago, as a late bloomer with a touch of undiagnosed tism — it doesn’t help that girls also go largely undiagnosed because they mask their symptoms more easily. How many (especially autistic/adhd) young girls out there are convinced that they must be transgender because they don’t understand the already complex teen girl social cues? Or feel repulsed by the changes brought on by puberty that top surgery and the idea of never having periods becomes an attractive option? From the outside, boys seem so simple and carefree in comparison.

Here is a video from 2015 by an expert in autism in girls:

Around minute 23: Autistic girls often become tomboyish around adolescence as the unwritten "rules" around social interaction become more complicated, especially for girls:



Around minute 25: There is often an explicit rejection of "femininity" in adolescence as it becomes clear that efforts to fit in with non-autistic girls are not working:



(The whole thing is worth a watch honestly, the first 10 minutes or so have a good explanation of why autistic females dominate fandom, although he doesn't put it that way)

Seven years ago, everyone knew what a girl was, and that autistic girls' "gender dysphoria" was just a normal part of their development, explained entirely by the difficulties they face socially.

Now we must all diligently erase that knowledge, and pretend that autistic girls are all actually boys and require expensive drugs and surgery.

(Isn't it interesting that the new approach that makes the medical-industrial complex a ton of money just happened to dominate, and the old approach that says "she's fine, just support her and let her grow up" was pushed out of favor? Weird how often that happens.)

 

[Cloacan]

just don't look at his forearm!

I wonder if anyone is capitalizing on the burgeoning market for FTM forearm-hiding accessories? That could not only be profitable, it could even launch a legit fashion trend. Fashion is always retarded, this could be big for a few years. It seems like it would be trivial to get Hollywood behind this. And from there? The world, chico.

 

[AnOminous]

This makes me Mad IRL because this is exactly the path I was on a few years ago, as a late bloomer with a touch of undiagnosed tism — it doesn’t help that girls also go largely undiagnosed because they mask their symptoms more easily.

There are two parts to that. One is that females are, by and large, less likely to be autistic. Apparently a lot of the brain-related genes are on the X chromosome so if you have a "bad" version of it on one, the other can more or less fill in for the defect, but a male with only one X and a bad gene on it is pretty much fucked.

So females are somewhat less likely to be socially retarded.

They're also more likely to manifest autism in a more passive way, like being withdrawn and quiet, which is also more in conformity with female social roles, so being a wallflower isn't likely to trigger alarms, whereas males are often way more of the loudly screeching about insane bullshit type, and acting like a stereotypical autist.

So females (using the female/male dichotomy for very specific reasons here) are less likely to have autism, less likely to manifest it in a way typically associated with autism, and less likely to be diagnosed with it even if they do, because autism is seen as a male thing, even by actual doctors (who should know better).

 

[Kit Marz]

I've never considered myself a feminist and I know that "Women most affected" is a meme, but when it comes to trans people I think women really are the most affected. Even though I never really supported transitioning, I figured if people want to do that to their bodies who am I to stop them, but as the movement continues to grow there's no way I can feel that laissez-faire about it anymore.

The MtF one is obvious where they invade women's private spaces. Lesbians are called bigoted because they don't want to suck lady dick, they take over their sports, and all the while the actual women have to applaud these men for how stunning and brave they are when all their doing is acting out a grotesque caricature of real women.

Then for the FtM I just see it as absolutely tragic. They largely do it because they feel inferior and powerless and they think that my chopping off their breast and making themselves infertile it's going to make things better. They don't get the power they thought they would and the ones that want to transition back realize they have mutilated themselves beyond repair.

There are no good outcomes for any of it and I really hope we get to a point where we can all look back and see how barbaric the whole thing is. Sorry if it came off as ranting, it kind of is. I've tried to talk about this in real life, but everyone around sees no problems with the trans community.

 

[AnOminous]

I've never considered myself a feminist and I know that "Women most affected" is a meme, but when it comes to trans people I think women really are the most affected.

I did until I realized it was basically a synonym for sex predator in disguise. That said, they really are. Other than not being able to call them dudes in the workplace without retaliation, trannies don't really affect me at all. And I wouldn't even do that anyway before online TRAs queered me on the whole subject by incessantly pissing me off. Most of the actual trans people I have ever encountered in reality, before all this bullshit starting around 2015 or so, were pretty stand-up people and a pronoun here and there didn't bug me in the least.

But these fucking troons continually threatening to rape and murder women for just wanting to have spaces of their own free of be-penised hulking freaks, have completely blasted any notion of tolerance out of the water. The shit they are doing is absolutely inimical to everything I have ever believed and I'm not going to pretend I can tolerate this absolutely evil shit just because people I used to be politically aligned with are going along with it like fucking cult zombies.

 

[quackrock]

I was neutral to pro-trans in 2013. Meeting trans people IRL slowly pushed me against the movement. They're nearly all creepy, unstable, hyper-sexual head cases. Worked directly with several troons and watched close friends troon out. Noticed the link between trans-ing and autism. Noticed that if anything, trans people I knew seemed *more* anxious, unstable, and self-conscious post-transition. Saw friends who'd become TRAs slowly get more violent and insane on social media. Saw AGP troons for what they are before I ever read the word "autogynephilia". Heard about troons in women's sports on Joe Rogan.

Final straw was when this movement came for the kids. Chemically and surgically castrating children, especially against parents' wishes, is so obviously evil and wrong that I still can't believe it's the law of the land.

Started following Wesley Yang, Eliza Mondgreen, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, and other gender-critical outlets. Learned about detransitioners and watched some of their video testimonies. Learned about the high desistance rate of "trans" kids who go through normal puberty. Learned about Keira Bell, the NHS Cass Review, the Swedish "Trans Train" documentary, and the Finnish government's findings on youth gender medicine (they looked at all the evidence and concluded it's bullshit).

Discovered this board when #DropKiwiFams popped up on Hacker News. Pre-Keffals, I only knew the Farms by reputation. Now I read Stinkditch almost every day. Glad this site's in the hands of a guy like Josh who is totally committed to the project, already "canceled," and stubborn enough to do the right thing and damn the cost.

I've been slowly sharing the facts about troons with trusted family and friends. Most are too scared to speak up about this publicly. They work in white-collar fields where questioning the T is social and career suicide. Thank God for the secret ballot.