Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[spinch]

i believe in transgenderism to an extent- i believe it is a mental illness that is treated with hormone replacement and surgeries. That being said, I've only known one trans person out of the many I've met in life to truly stick with it and succesfully transition.

That being said I think 95% of trans people (or any variation of gender that isn't strictly male or female) are faking it for attention.

i think there's something appealing to the first generation of children that aren't growing up with vile abuse as the 'norm' about having to struggle for something. they see the LGBT community struggling for civil rights and acceptance, so even though they KNOW they're a normal straight person they label themselves a 'queerflux demisexual' so they can be a part of that struggle. it's disgusting and I hate it. every fucking they/them I see on the streets and in my life presents COMPLETELY masculine or COMPLETELY feminine and runs to HR or their army of troon friends the second you get their pronouns wrong. they're just regular people and they WANT to be oppressed.

I don't think i'll ever buy into people being trans to groom children or any of that shit, but there's definitely something to the ease with which you can transition nowadays.

i realized the ideology of complete acceptance was harmful by the sheer amount of "BLACK HOMELESS TRANSWOMAN IN NEED OF HOUSING" GoFundMes I see getting completely funded each and every fucking day. it's such an easy grift. i'm so sick of people thinking that the more oppression you face the more you deserve in life. nobody owes you any fucking reparations. get a fucking job. move into a shitty $600/month flat in the hood. it's not fucking difficult.

 

[Biggie Smalls' Taint]

My troon timeline:

90's: Men dressing like women? lmao fucking sickos.

2000's: They have a rare mental illness that can be remedied via hormones and surgery

2010's: Where did all these trannies come from? Weren't they 0.01% of the population? Bunch of transtrenders.

Now: Men dressing like women? lmao fucking sickos.

I believed the "surgery makes it all better" cope for a few years until I saw the suicide rates after surgery. Even at my most tolerant I treated them the same way you'd treat a pitbull: Keeping an eye on them and not letting them near children.

When I heard the phrase "Autogynephilia" back in 2013 was when I peaked. Everything became so clear that I think I heard an audible "click" when everything connected. "Ah, so they're perverts. Right right."

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Someone close to me started transitioning recently. Went from having a pretty bad body image but functional, to obsessively dissecting every part of their appearance and behavior in the mirror, sometimes hours at a time. Went from anxious and depressed but somewhat functional to starving themself, not being able to leave their house or even keep the curtains open for paranoia over being seen and clocked. Always waiting for a magic cure - first it was "when I get on hormones, everything will start getting better", then "when I find the correct dosage", "when I can buy a new set of clothes", "when my body finally changes", "when I get my surgery", ad infinitum. There's always a new thing to dream of that will make everything all roses and rainbows, all the while spiraling into an ever-more catastrophic mental breakdown.

It really is exactly like an eating disorder. It's fucking heartbreaking. I just want to shake them and say hey, nothing that you do will fix your self-hatred, this is all for nothing, you don't need a transition, you need serious psychiatric intervention, and the longer you go down this road the more psychological damage you're inflicting on yourself.

And I mean, a collection of lesser niggling frustrations. Like having the fact that taking estrogen can cause deep vein thrombosis explained to me, like thanks, I know. Having people talk about their boobs and show off their collection of skirts to me, as if I care. Listening to how women have long hair and wear swirly skirts and how you have to wear makeup to the grocery store, myself having short hair and wearing makeup once a month, and wanting to scream where the fuck are you getting this from, what the hell am I to you. And PhilosophyTube... just, all of PhilosophyTube.

And I mean for a while I felt super bad because those aren't the Right Thoughts and I was being an ~*evil TERF*~... But then I realized that even though I'd always thought that people saying those things were hateful, they weren't necessarily, and often they're just maligned because they make men feel bad. (I know a lot of people here despise trans people, but I genuinely don't have any kind of hatred towards them. I have a lot of anger and frustration at the culture around transness, but not trans individuals or even the general idea of transitioning.) And once I got over that hump of categorically rejecting truthful thoughts because I was scared they made me hateful, it just was a lot easier to think about things logically and clearly.

Unironically, the people that modern trans ideology hurts the most is trans folk

 

[Tago Mago]

It was gradual. Like many others I was sympathetic to the "trans cause" at first, even if there were already some clashing points (ie: enbies, excessive PC and censorship, etc.), but then I saw how most of them were insane, groomers, perverts, etc. and I lost sympathy until I got tired of troon bullshit, they never really want to help themselves and just want to bring others down. Being trans isn't an automatic dislike from me, not yet (being enbie is pretty much an instant redflag), but I'll be suspicious at the very least.

 

[03crep]

I was always a "you do you" kinda guy in the past. However, transgender activism and the skeletons it's pulled out of their community's closet has made me increasingly cautious about trans people and the LGBT as a whole.

It started when I was in high school. I had a "friend" who I later broke ties with on the count that he was a massive fucktard. He was bisexual, something I found out the hard way. I was talking to him about how I was having trouble finding a girl after a breakup, and at some point he brought up the fact that I could, and I kid you not, actually be gay based on the fact that girls were giving me grief. I had always put that off as the nonsense it was and never believed it because I've never had feelings for a guy. Unfortunately, this friend thought so, and was so sure about it that one night when we got high, he put his hand on my thigh and gave me words of support, which was a move I immediately recognized as him having feelings for me.

Another friend, an ACTUAL friend that I would do anything for was in the same boat. All the chicks at my school were ungrateful cunts that contributed nothing to a relationship except causing problems, and he was naturally distraught by this. This friend was actually CONVINCED by somebody that he was gay, and he dated an openly gay guy at my school, breaking up with him shortly after because obviously he wasn't gay and high school girls are just trouble.

As much of a powerlevel as these stories might be, they're important to know I had these experiences so you can better understand my sheer disgust when I've seen countless experiences just like this end in tragedy.

Straight children are frequently pressured into being LGBT. This is a practice many in the community encourage because it's "sexual exploration" and it's "natural" to go against your natural sexuality because you could be just brainwashed by society into believing you're straight or some bullshit. These kids make friends who are in these circles, those friends shower them with promises of how being their "true" self will fix all of their problems. They promise their depression will end, they will find true love, and they will live their best life.

It's very fucking difficult for me to mingle with LGBT people in these circles because almost every time, at some point, I'll be the odd one out because I'm straight. My sexuality will inevitably be brought into question for the most benign and arbitrary reasons. "You can't say you're straight if you've never tried being LGBT" is a phrase that ends up being said in some form or another. The sheer disrespect trans and others of the LGBT community show to heterosexuals is beyond comprehension, but I'm expected to welcome them with open arms NO QUESTIONS ASKED?

I have seen LGBT individuals calling for "revolution", legitimately wanting blood for anyone who disagrees with whatever idea they're pushing this week. It's cloaked under a thin veil of them seeking relevance. It is an "us vs. them" situation, and they want it that way. Transgenders in particular seem to be the greatest offenders of it overall, and it's disappointing.

There is so much harm coming from the trans community that it's impossible to deny. But they'll bullshit their way around it. Their shield is accusing people of being X-phobic, and it's working because they've managed to secure the hearts of people too stupid to realize they aren't perfect, shimmering examples of the fight for social equality.

I've also always been about science. Psychology is psychology, but I don't want to live in a world where psychology can dictate physiology. You do not have ovaries, you cannot bear children, for the betterment of science you aren't going to change it to where this fact known since the beginning of history is considered a lie.

 

[Hyro]

I was initially willing to entertain the idea of people having a mental disorder that makes them believe they're a woman and that acting like a woman might make them feel better.

But after all the ridiculous gender insanity, nonbinary BS and trying to get kids involved, as well as the way they seem to be trying to restructure society around those people, even if it is real I don't think 99.9% of the population should have to suffer to appease 0.1%. If that 0.1% end up killing themselves at a higher rate so everyone else doesn't have to play pretend with them and deal with endless gender nonsense that's an acceptable sacrifice quite frankly.

 

[barbie meat]

I didn't think I could peak trans yet again, but I did this weekend. I was downtown in my city getting a tattoo, and had to walk to a nearby convenience store to get cash to pay my guy. I overheard a distraught tranny crying to a friend about how he just got rejected for a job for being trans. And I don't know why, maybe I'm too soft hearted and hate seeing people suffering, maybe it's that darn female socialization that prompts me to comfort them, but I commiserated with the tranny briefly before heading back to the tattoo shop.

A little while later, I was at the other end of the block waiting for a ride from a friend (parking sucks downtown) and the tranny called me over to talk with him and his friends — there were two of them and a dog, and I'm not gonna lie, I mostly went over there so I could pet the dog. The tranny struck up a conversation with me in which he immediately clocked me as a dyke, which was kind of nice (dare I say validating) because I am kind of femme and always read as a straight woman. We had a pleasant conversation and when my ride got there, we said goodbye. I noticed as I was leaving, looking down, that this person was wearing an ankle monitor above his strappy high heels, which skeeved me out.

I get home, and curiosity gets the better of me. He mentioned that he lived down the street, so I put in the address of the tattoo shop and ran a search on the county website for "sex offenders near me". Sure enough, he popped right up. Multiple felony convictions for raping two different children and an adult woman, plus failure to register as a sex offender.

Being nice to trannies: not even once.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

So many of my friends on Facebook:

- Sharing pictures of their daughters with ROGD. A quick stalk of their kid's over-sharing facebook accounts are either self-hating proto-dykes, or autoandrophiles gone pornsick from too much anime cosplay

-Trying to troon out their (male) children for asspats

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

When they started to go after kids and teach very sexual subject matter in school. The most personal to me is when they accused anyone who didn't want to fuck them as transphobes. I do feel very bad for the LGB part of the community since they are associated with the T's. I can see why some members of said community are leaving and acceptance among LGBT has lowered a lot.

This is exacly it. A few years ago nobody gave a shit about the "Billy has Two Dads" thing, but now everything is so trans groomer everything law is explicitly passed to keep trannies from grooming kids into self-mutilation is called "hurting the gays" even though the gays have nothing to do with it.

 

[Skookum Jim]

I think one of the things that broke the "Live and let live" part of me in regards to trans shit was back when everyone first found out that Chris-Chan fucked his mom. Twitter was ablaze for like 2 hours about how the internets favorite weirdo suddenly (to them, the warning signs were always there, we just ignored them or joked about them because we figured he wasn't THAT dumb) did something so vile. Then, Twitter was consumed by a days long flamewar arguing over Chris-chan's fucking pronouns. Watching all of this, it just struck me as fucking insane that all of these people give more of a fuck about the words you use to describe someone when that someone fucked their MOTHER. Around that time was when i started hardcore lurking KF, watching the hunt for the Foot Fungus Fucker, watching people theorize over everything, watching that footage of the police hauling him from that motel, and you guys were probably the only people who were first and foremost concerned with his actual crimes. Looking back, that's probably what primed me for when one of my oldest friends came out as trans and basically ruined their life for a safety blanket provided by internet weirdos and i actually peaked.

 

[Not Yet Implemented]

I'm not really hostile to trans people: I can somewhat understand them, because I also have obsessions I'm sure would be weird and am not otherwise going to PL about. However, I noticed that for a significant subset, part of the obsession is pretending their desired end-state ("I'm a woman." if MtF) is already true. And worse, so is humiliating and coercing people who wouldn't pretend along with them.

This is just Islamic behavior. I can't abide it when Christians do it, I can't abide it when Muslims do it. I will not abide it when it has a secular sheen, either.

 

[Shitposting boogeyman]

When one raped my dog.

 

[HahaYes]

For me it'd be after meeting my first troon. Within 2 hours of meeting him he:

- Aggressively came onto me
- Sent me disgusting nudes ft. sad shrimp dick
- Begged me to cheat on my spouse with him
- Started guilt tripping and threating to kill himself when I told him to fuck off, cited "transphobe", "bigot" etc etc

I met another one down the line a year or so later who was a lot less forward but kept going on about dressing as a woman and how "euphoric" it made him feel, and asking any woman he could find for "fashion advice" when it was very obvious he was just a twink. Bonus points he sent pictures in a group chat of his "first outfit" when going to some party and wanted to know if he passed. To the surprise of nobody motherfucker passed about as well as a brick

I used to be pretty neutral on the whole trans thing, but that went out the window very quickly after having to deal with their insufferable crap one on one along with how much it's degraded in recent times

 

[RamblinRosie]

I always thought the concept was fucked up, especially given that my first exposure to this ideology was a PBS doc about David Reimer at about 10-11 years old in the early 2000's, but every piece of literature I encountered after that presented trans as a good thing, so I, as a very confused teen, didn't know what to think.

It was like there was some secret knowledge I was missing that I possibly could find if I just looked hard enough. It didn't make sense to me, but why did it make sense to others? I was especially very confused during the time I frequented stan tumblr and watched many cosplaying women transform into the characters they pretended to be at cons. Not to mention OG youtubers like Gigi trooning out. (I did notice that a common theme for trans people was trauma.) I was never ever presented with opposing arguments except when TIP quoted cherry picked comments to prove their points.

Between struggling with a bit of face blindness and sneaky filters I was unsure how I was supposed to be addressing those who nominally looked like the opposite sex.

In the end it was a simple comment from Michael Knowles that knocked things into perspective for me, and that was when he was commenting on a Tom McDonald video saying "The 'woman' in the video is Blaire White, who's not a woman, Blaire is a man. I like blaire very much, he's a nice guy." at 3:27.

Something about that sentence finally made it click in my mind. The reason I tried and failed for years to understand troonism is because it NEVER made sense because it's all a lie. Once I had that revelation things fell into place and every new thing I learn about their degeneracy just makes it more clear that trans ideology is just pure plain lunacy.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I posted this a while back in the tranny sideshows thread after a friend shared it with me, but I figured it could go here as well. I have no idea where it came from, other than some trannycord place. Not a peak, more of an extension of the endless plateau of disgust and confusion.

This is just how they talk now. "I should have spent today in euphoria", as if having a boner in a dress was somehow an ideal state of existence.

 

[Blood Drenched Halo]

For me it was Null's person stream on Kevin Gibes. I'd only ever known of Null and Kiwifarms vaguely because of Chris Chan but I didn't start browsing the forum until Chris was arrested last year and then I began watching MATI later. While watching the Gibes stream its like something clicked in my head and made me realize "oh my god they're all like this all trannies are just creepy sex weirdos"

Gibes & the Tranch (May 3rd, 2021) - Mad at the Internet

 

[HIVidaBoheme]

It took one interaction with a weirdo trying to harass people at my old workplace to hand him a script for birth control pills. From the moment he was seated in the waiting room he was being disruptive with the actual women waiting in line.

Come to think of it, this was back in 2017 I don't want to even imagine how many of those showed up at the place since then.

 

[TankMelee]

It used to be the only troon that I knew IRL was a friend of mine. While I already thought trans was BS, I went along with it because she underwent CSA and continued to have a lot of issues. Just being supportive, no?

Fast forward a few years. By now her husband has also trooned, and he looks like Peetz did a few years ago (AGP coomer and programmer, of course). She’s started VTubing (LARPing as a catboy twink) and other tranny VTubers have infested our Discord. What used to be a group of mutual IRL friends is now a bunch of perverts posting trans memes and anime armpits. The old crew doesn’t even get together because too many are too dysphoric to meet up, because of course they make no effort to pass. I’m the only one who feels this way and, speaking to the other normies, they think my plan for a more private replacement server is too divisive.

So the friend group just turned into a trans hug box. Very sad. Everyone’s consumed by their delusion.

 

[Load Bearing Drywall]

I knew (and still know) two totally normal trans people living their lives back in college, and they were treated really badly by the administration and by other people, just really cruelly. They have very little in common with the AGPs and tumblr softboi uwus and are just normal people with jobs who went through a lot of shit, and I really felt for them. I assumed all trans people were like them, just normal people with a shitty mental illness living their lives the best they could.

But I always wasn't sure. I saw what happened to Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog for what I felt were totally logical and fair pieces of reporting.

Then I had a front row seat to long-time horror cow Fire trooning out in the most stereotypical AGP fashion. The TERFs were fucking right. Then I discovered r/gendercritical because I couldn't say ANYTHING to my social circle. And I completely peaked. Women's safety is far more important than some porn sick TIM's "genderfeels".

I already believed from reading feminist philosophy in college that sex classes were a thing -- I'm a sperg, I can't perform femininity well and my entire life has been being punished and bullied because I crossed invisible lines that girls shouldn't. It's all externally imposed. There's no such thing as a gender identity. I've also been in fandom for years and seen the yaoi/slash to TIF pipeline up close and personal over the last few years. So many girls with mental illness and autism being sold a bill of goods

I still think that there are really people who have sex dysphoria and have some kind of neurodevelopmental issue that transitioning might be the best option. I want them to have the best medical care possible. But the ideology is poison, they're not willing or able to kick out bad actors, they don't understand the value of safeguarding and gatekeeping, they're trying to take away the rights we fought so hard for and they're anti-science woo pedlers. It's religion with another name.

Fuck them, fuck their misogyny and fuck their porn addled brains.

 

[Triple Flutz]

I've never particularly cared what other people do, I've gotten along with people even if I don't particularly agree with their life choices as long as they're fine with me not concealing my beliefs and I kind of had planned on living my life this whole way. I had this one trans acquaintance some years ago who I thought was smart and interesting, so despite my belief that bolt-ons and flayed penis to cure gender dysphoria makes about as much sense as lipo for anorexia, I thought we were cool and I was happy to carry on discussions once in a while. They ended up not feeling that way after some time, and our association ended. I was quite sad about it at the time.

It’s really not a huge peak trans moment, but it made me reconsider my stance about friendships with people who are morally incompatible with me, and it led me to notice more and more often how people who think like me about trans issues are the ones expected to not only censor ourselves if not change our beliefs to make others more comfortable, but we apparently also can’t even say this shit on our own platforms that we create. I’m not okay with that, so I just now don't form associations with people whose intrinsic qualities I find distasteful because it isn't fair to either them or me and because I think that specifically trans activism is in and of itself harmful. I've also noticed that I get more uptight every year so I don't think I could replicate this sort of friendship anymore even if I tried.