Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Am a standard lapsed Catholic libertarian. There's always been an internal conflict between the need for rules and the desire to test them.
I think my line in the sand was kids being given pharmaceuticals that will forever alter their bodies.
Piercing your nose or getting a tattoo as a form of rebellion is fine.
This is not.

 

[Szfynks]

It's actually even more insidious and offensive when leftoids and moonbats try to appeal to your christian sensibilities.

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It's not about Christian sensibilites. There's a long history of leftist Christian organisations, not to mention Liberation Theology with strong letf leanings (quite popular in Latin America) Im not talking about trying to persuade ppl to belive in your views, Im talking about finding common ground with them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

This is very much a case where familiarity breeds contempt. The first trans person I ever knew was based and was the only one I knew for years, so it made me pretty TRA for a long time. But once the group presence exploded onto the internet and then media more generally I started to realize that almost all of them were co-morbid cases with various mental illnesses. I think this is what is causing the tide to turn a bit more recently because this is so obvious. And the frantic shrieking of LiTeRaL vIoLeNcE whenever this is brought up only further reinforces the idea that this cause is deeply attractive to BPD/schitzos who are effectively skinwalkers who reinvent themselves whole hog rather than grow as people. I suspect these are just the current year versions of those people who joined the various cults of the 70s-90s.

I do actually think gender dysphoria is a real thing (unpopular view on the farms I know) hence why it keeps popping up in history. But it is relatively rare. And making it the cause du jour turned it into an extremely attractive cult-like ideology for mentally ill people and alienated incel nerds. But by attracting such people it is already and very publicly laying the seeds of its own decline in popularity as more and more people go "who on earth would want to be around those people?" Not to mention the parallels with electro shock therapy in that it actually does work for a minority of disorders but once was over-used as a fad and ruined far more people than it helped. I suspect this current gender-medicalization phase will age about as well as that stuff did.

Body dismorphia is very real but we never tried to help anorexic women lose weight until they started saying they were men and wanted their tits lopped off in order to lose just a bit more weight.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I don't want to get too deep in the weeds about leftoid vs. rightoid social theory.

I think at some point the left embraced the idea that lives should be as consequence-free as possible. Not just giving people second chances, but greasing the path so there's as little friction as possible for whatever bad decisions you want to make.

A lot of the backlash to things like promiscuous gays, druggies, dindu nuffins, various body mods, habitual criminals, and so forth is the natural human idea that DUH, actions have consequences.

If you decide that being on heroin is more important to you than keeping a roof over your head, that's a bad decision and it has consequences not only for you but for people around you.

If you decide that you want to troon out, that's a bad decision and it has consequences not only for you but for people around you.

I am personally opposed to laws that prohibit adults from spending their own money to troon out much as I am opposed to laws regulating people getting forehead tats that say FUCK YOU.

But like the Supreme Court ruling that you can't fire a troon from being a sex pest at work was a total disaster. One could just as easily posit that it's workplace discrimination not to hire the guy with the FUCK YOU tattoo to work in a daycare.

Some of this is absolutely down to left-wing "Christianity." Those people are a social cancer.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

When did I begin to think troonism wasn't the most fluffy sparkly thing? Never. It's all just part of the progression, the grand rainbow slide down the toilet.

There are people in this topic who say 'I was a gay rights activist but'. And on one hand, okay. Basic freedom from persecutions is hard to argue. But on the other, after all the indulgences and privileges that followed, that cynical, wily movements latched onto, posting "I was all for that thing" in this thread is like standing halfway down the slippery slope, shouting "Okay guys, this is a good place to stop! Guys? Guys?!"

I don't think we're at the bottom yet.

 

[Slur Generator]

When did I begin to think troonism wasn't the most fluffy sparkly thing? Never. It's all just part of the progression, the grand rainbow slide down the toilet.

There are people in this topic who say 'I was a gay rights activist but'. And on one hand, okay. Basic freedom from persecutions is hard to argue. But on the other, after all the indulgences and privileges that followed, that cynical, wily movements latched onto, posting "I was all for that thing" in this thread is like standing halfway down the slippery slope, shouting "Okay guys, this is a good place to stop! Guys? Guys?!"

I don't think we're at the bottom yet.

the bottom is pedo, zoo, incest, cannibalism and killing, as in not prosecuting people that kill as long as the victim consented.

 

[Szfynks]

I don't want to get too deep in the weeds about leftoid vs. rightoid social theory.

I think at some point the left embraced the idea that lives should be as consequence-free as possible. Not just giving people second chances, but greasing the path so there's as little friction as possible for whatever bad decisions you want to make.

A lot of the backlash to things like promiscuous gays, druggies, dindu nuffins, various body mods, habitual criminals, and so forth is the natural human idea that DUH, actions have consequences.

I dont think it's exclusively a leftist/liberał thing, tbh. ItsAGundam said "People killed God and now they worship corporations" and I think it sums it up pretty well. Companies realized there's money in it.
Sexual revolution wasnt really about Americans discovering sex exists - it was about sex becoming a product that could be freely advertised and sold. Catering to a variety of people and their needs kinda is the heart of capitalism - this way you achive something state planning cannot (I cant imagine the state bothering with dragon dick dildoes). Getting rid of shame (or making ppl forget there are consequences to our actions) helps sell all kinds of shit. I dont really think it's some epic battle of good vs evil, etc. It's much more simple - it's about making money. Creating a false reality where everyone is super happy and everything looks like from a Jehova's Witnesses' booklet helps you sell products under the false promise of happiness. Notice the censorship of YT didnt start with the fragile SJWs, it started with big companies being angry about their products/services being associated with unpopular views or edgy humour via adds. Now you cant say/show certain things unless you want to get demonitized.
And troonism is this false promised as well. Dont ask questions, just get your tits or nuts lopped off, become a life-long client to drug companies and reccommend it to others, so they can be their True Authentic Self™, too! Apparently being yourself is impossible without drugs, surgery and asspats, who knew?

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I dont think it's exclusively a leftist/liberał thing, tbh. ItsAGundam said "People killed God and now they worship corporations" and I think it sums it up pretty well. Companies realized there's money in it.
Sexual revolution wasnt really about Americans discovering sex exists - it was about sex becoming a product that could be freely advertised and sold.

I am considering what you're saying and I am a bit stuck.

One could posit a libertarian free-market corporatist utopia with hardcore repression of, say, gay male sexuality or a anarcho-communist utopia with naked go-go dancers on every corner handing out free vodka samples.

There's a correlation/causation problem here where the post-war era (at least in the US) was a time of enormous rise in consumer power leading to what we have now, where virtually everything is some kind of consumer product. Like one of the things that bothers me about Kids These Days is how humans have become their own consumer brands and kids don't seem to consider that this is historically aberrent.

People really liked sex before the sexual revolution, it just wasn't as overwhelmingly pervasive in the public sphere.

 

[Szfynks]

People really liked sex before the sexual revolution, it just wasn't as overwhelmingly pervasive in the public sphere.

Like I said - it's not about people discovering you can have sex for fun. It's about abandoning the taboo to comercialize sex. It officially became a product that can be freely advertised to the masses.

 

[Mr. 305]

I think my journey into becoming a "meany transphobe terf" is very funny and kind of cringe looking back and want to share it.

It all started because of the Dream thread. In 2019 I was into Minecraft youtubers due to the Minecraft resurgence that was happening. So I was into creators like CallMeCarson, Jschlatt, and Techoblade. I also started watching Dream's clickbait videos and found some of them interesting but, eventually found them to be repetitive and boring. I also started seeing more content of his fans and holy shit it was cringe. Seeing teens start using neo-pronouns and calling themselves things like "bug/bugself" made my head spin. I started to hate Dream's fans and they kept making weird fanart and talking about how sexy Dream was. In my head I knew Dream just had to be ugly (why else would he hide his face so much). Eventually I somehow found Dreams face dox thread and felt righteous, because I was right Dream was an ugly fatty like I thought.

This lead me to make an account and eventually I started looking at other threads and other lolcows. I eventually found the Tranny Sideshows thread. At this point I was still a TWAW type of person because I was fine with gay people and thought troons were in a similar situation to gays and were born like that. But as I kept looking at the lunacy, the more I saw the more I realized for a lot of them it was a fetish. One of the main troons that really put me over the edge of peaking was the Netflix troon who was a writer on "Dear White People" mainly because I was appalled that a person who is supposedly a professional who is working at a big company like Netflix was allowed to be so gross and fetishistic on his PUBLIC twitter. I was just shocked that he didn't get fired. Anyways that is my story about how Dream and his fans made me transphobic.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

Something I don't really understand about transpeople. The intersection between them and fantasy/sci-fi fandoms and roleplaying games. There's this push for trans NPCs and ability to make and play trans characters. Cyberpunk had a very weird way of trying to make this happen, for example, by separating voice, pronouns, and body type during character creation and had a trans NPC.

But the way I understand trans identity stuff is that it's a crutch for the inability to actually change your sex. If you could buy a Potion of Sex Change or get a cyborg body of the sex you'd prefer to be known as, would you be trans? Would there be a whole trans movement? Would gender roles end up becoming more strict and not less? I feel like the trans identity is a result of it being impossible to change your sex in the 21st century. At best, you end up mutilated and freakish... unless you decide to just "identify as" a woman.

But in these settings where you can actually swap your sex, then what would it even mean to be trans? Similarly, why do people insist on creating trans characters instead of just creating a man or a woman? It leads me to think that it isn't about being a man or a woman, but about being a trans man or trans woman. Like the Sims 4 adding top scars to their character creator. Wouldn't you just make a genuinely male alter ego?

 

[Corn Flakes]

Something I don't really understand about transpeople. The intersection between them and fantasy/sci-fi fandoms and roleplaying games. There's this push for trans NPCs and ability to make and play trans characters. Cyberpunk had a very weird way of trying to make this happen, for example, by separating voice, pronouns, and body type during character creation and had a trans NPC.

But the way I understand trans identity stuff is that it's a crutch for the inability to actually change your sex. If you could buy a Potion of Sex Change or get a cyborg body of the sex you'd prefer to be known as, would you be trans? Would there be a whole trans movement? Would gender roles end up becoming more strict and not less? I feel like the trans identity is a result of it being impossible to change your sex in the 21st century. At best, you end up mutilated and freakish... unless you decide to just "identify as" a woman.

But in these settings where you can actually swap your sex, then what would it even mean to be trans? Similarly, why do people insist on creating trans characters instead of just creating a man or a woman? It leads me to think that it isn't about being a man or a woman, but about being a trans man or trans woman. Like the Sims 4 adding top scars to their character creator. Wouldn't you just make a genuinely male alter ego?

The answers here are pretty simple:

1 - You find a ton of trannies in nerdy communities because gender theory did as much damage to autistic/socially awkward nerds as crack did to the black community in the inner cities. The gendercult deliberately preys on nerds, for multiple reasons. Long story short, it's very easy to convince someone of a fake "identity" when they're already predisposed to pretend to be someone else online.

2 - The gendercult preaches being a tranny is special. In fact, it's the only "special" thing the hordes of pasty, flabby and/or otherwise completely average guys are. So, they don't want to be the other gender. They want to be transgender. That's the entire point. It's not about "becoming" a woman (or a man), it's about having the transgender identity. If they can't be trannies, they can't claim to be special*. That's why they keep demanding tranny representation on settings that have no business with them. Either because outright changing sex is achievable (sometimes even trivial), or because the entire concept of gender doesn't really factor in the setting itself.

*ETA: it's also why you often see trannies claiming to be better than women. They don't want to be a "normal" woman, no. That would be too boring. There are tons of women out there. They want to be transwomen. That's special, that's better. And yeah, it's as retarded and petty as I made it sound.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I was more or less poached by the furries as a kissless virgin in my teens, groomed into enjoying the idea of male attention, dated a feminine dude, cut it off, and then dated a tranny who was basically fetishizing the "gender mix-up" of like, calling a decently well-passing tranny chick 'Daddy'. You know, woah, real degen shit: Being a "woman" but recognizing you are indeed a man with addons and DLC because it's a hot idea, for reasons.

You see this a lot in shemale porn actors: "I dont fucking care what you call me, I just wanna pump up with silicone and have fun". Aight, respectable. Then the North Americans show up with their doctrine and politics; "Nooo i'm not a shemale porn actor, I'm a transgender sex worker!", and that's basically the high they've been riding since. Licking their lips, stiffening in their jorts, seeing people submit to them and call them ma'am well-aware they're just men.

I fucking wish I was gay enough to just date dudes cause both women and trannies trying to mimic women are insufferable. At this point I don't even entertain the idea that a tranny can be worthwhile if not they immediately show clear signs of "yeah I am/was a dude" and whatever they say following is at least worth of a thought, but they can't even do that. They "ARE" women. And the best part is you don't even actively need to care about or promote their downfall cause surgery and suicide is the goal. The more you assist them, the sooner it comes.

Transgenderism is a cult, it should not be tolerated. You should go through the proper channels and probably realize on a cold hospital chair with your mom in the next room over, "yeah you know what? I don't wanna mutilate my body". The fact they hate detransitioners prove as much. "If this person was on HRT for 2 years and then realized this wasn't the right call, that means I too could've been misled, and that's scary, so I'm gonna put them on blast and tell them they're a terf cause then I can just discard their entire persona as alt-right trolling".

Say what you will, but at least those ugly US army tranny boomers are their title first, tranny second. Those we see engage online have nothing to their name but trannydom. A friend of mine once sat in a Discord when "Femboy Fishing" of Youtube fame showed up. He was bullied out within an hour because the resident attention whores felt threatened by his passion for fishing and the cult following he had gotten because of it. The tranny is so insecure they fear anyone with confidence and internal validation. One who doesn't need a "you're valid" from others cause they feel valid internally. They're broken people, and I'm tired of playing along with broken people. Tell me you're a cumbrained dude who wanna be a hung mommy or fuck off. You're not a small bean, you're a grown man.

 

[WAHbert Plant]

I gotta admit, I used to have respect for them but then I saw them disapprove the “Don’t Say Gay” bill.
It only got worse when I saw them transition kids. And rape lesbians. And give them hormones that will fuck them up in the long term.

Honestly, accounts like Libs of TikTok was probably my start to the rabbit hole of the LGBTQIA+ madness. The Keffals façade just made that hole deeper.

It was a lot of things, just too many things, that made me transphobic.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

It's actually even more insidious and offensive when leftoids and moonbats try to appeal to your christian sensibilities.

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I think what's worse are those that instead of trying to appeal to sensibilities using strawmen from the bible (jesus said to be compassionate somewhere) instead try to pretend shit isn't there and christianity is just an all permissive hippie commune.

 

[Islamic Jihad Rocket]

For me, it’s boiled down to quite a few things. I never cared for them years ago, but now that it feels like they’re everywhere; it feels like you can’t escape how they’re trying to be normalized into society and how society itself is glorifying mental illness.

I don’t get the mindset of “oh, I’m a guy but I want to be a girl, so let me chop my dick off and ruin my body just so I can feel like a girl!”. Like, only mental illness can lead to such a conclusion. The fact someone can think putting shit into their body or cutting parts parts for what; temporary validation and happiness, is a good idea just really tells how loony some people are. Now the fact that they’re trying to push this shit onto kids, how could I not hate these people who are basically trying to groom and indoctrinate kids into their cult. Troonism really is a cult.

These people will 100% regret their decisions later in life, and as it’s been shown time and time again; either will join the 41% statistic or try to detransition and live a miserable life; stuck with the decisions they made to destroy their body because “uwu validation”.

 

[Madame Souza]

I feel like I peak every time I hear left-of-center normie peers speak on anything to do with any of this stuff. You guys know all the greatest hits, namely “the suicide rates are so high because society is so hard on them!” trope, and just… dudes, *think about that for a second*.
Are you really honestly telling me that you believe it’s worse to wish you were the opposite sex in the 21st century West than to be a Jew in a concentration camp, a woman in Afghanistan right now (or a woman throughout the global South and much of the rest of the world), or these poor fucking refugees whose houses just collapsed on top of their families, all of whom don’t contemplate or attempt suicide at such a rate?

Spoiler: wherein I fail at brevity

Are you telling me you genuinely believe that it is normal and understandable for people to be “traumatized” when someone dares remind them of their birth name or their chromosomes? Are you telling me you really trust when these upper middle class white people tell the world over and over that no suffering can possibly fall to the depths of the uniquely terrible hell it is to be a dude when you want to be a woman? Literally how? How is it people came to believe it’s 1000% more miserable to be gender dysphoric than to suffer literally any other psychiatric, material or physical condition?
And I mean, all of this even rests on the fact that these people genuinely believe the 41% statistic, when it’s obviously untrue—look at how many trannies we’ve followed throughout the years here, and there’s only one who was confirmed to have committed suicide? I am but a lowly English degree holder and not a statistician, but wouldn’t we be looking at a hell of a lot more than that, if it were true?
And if it *were* true, that circles us back around. Why is this the one purely psychological illness/condition that we treat physically? Why do so many of these people truly believe that NONE of these children receiving “gender-affirming care” will grow up and see it wasn’t right for them? If this care and tolerance are all these people need, why are they still miserable in the Portlands of the world?
And the fucking answers to these questions are really what gets me, because it all boils down to this: when a bunch of mostly-men scream the same things enough times in a smug enough tone for a long enough time and call everyone who doesn’t agree a horrible bigot and a murderer of the trans, and MSM reporters agree with them (often because they are them), normies will eventually accept it. And then we come off like the nutcase conspiracy theorists for seeing there are no clothes on the emperor if we try to even gently suggest maybe it’s okay to question parts of their narrative!
However! I’ve never failed to bring around a lefty on this issue when they’re willing to listen, and people who respect you and your company should be willing to hear you out, even if they don’t agree by the time you’re done. So it kind of just leaves having to listen to coworkers—whom I actually like and whose intelligence I respect because we don’t have a particularly simple job—saying stupid pro-troon shit to which I can’t respond to in any way, cause I can’t risk being the office TERF and getting pushed out because of it OR sounding like a crazy person when I just want to say “seriously, the MSM does fucking lie about this and related topics! Not everyone who knows that to be true is Donald Trump or his lackeys!” and then prove it, because this is all so easily proven!
And I KNOW for a fact these women have at least some opinions that would get them attacked by the people they support, such as that one needs a uterus to have a period, or that biological sex is a real thing even if one thinks one should be respectful of gender identity, or what-have-you. You know, TERF positions. And so many of the tranny sideshows on here, like, these women would be viscerally disgusted by these men and the idea of having to share sexed spaces with them. But you can’t just pull up a picture of Stefoknee or Yaniv or that video of that dude in the skirt jerking off in the ladies’ room mirror and say “LOOK AT THESE GUYS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND WHAT THEY DO AND TELL ME AGAIN YOU SEE THEM AS VALID WOMEN!!”

It’s just so tiring. How long till we get to collectively wake up from this? How many people are going to have to be hurt by it before the “empathetic side” will listen to them?

 

[Pizza Time]

I keep thinking I'm done peaking, and then I get exposed to more of this shit against my will. I'd kept away from much of the SRS horror stories, but a thread on twitter linked to the SRS Horror Stories thread on here so I decided to start going through it and it's just... so ghoulish. If I was a religious person I would say "this is proof that demons are real." It's unbelievable to me what humans are capable of doing to one another, and seeing """arguments""" from TRAs saying "this never happens but when it does it's good that it happens" and "these surgeries save lives" and "puberty blockers are harmless and completely reversible," it's just...

I'm just so tired, Kiwis. It pains me that these people are so stupid and/or willfully ignorant that we've allowed this sort of thing to become not only normalized but praised and any push back against it is demonized and deplatformed. It just feels so helpless being able to do nothing but sit by and watch Unit 731 experiments being done on literal children who are more often than not victims of abuse or severe mental illness.

All I can do is try and protect the people around me.

 

[doodoocaca]

Re-maxed when I stumbled on the Trannies are a symptom, not the cause thread and I realized this is just a malignant cancer, bad enough, but also just one of the heads of the hydra.

 

[AssignedEva]

I think another peaking thing for me was how quickly everything shifted into greater and greater lunacy.

"I'm a man but please treat me as a woman" probably was never that common but did exist when I first became cognisant of such matters. I met more trans people than your average person but they were relatively uncommon and just seemed to be gay guys and lesbians with unusual gender stuff who were making a choice and mostly kept to themselves (or were party animals who existed in the same spaces as drag queens).

"I used to be a man but now I'm a woman" was more common. Ok, a polite fiction that more or less meant the same thing. I mean, there were some obvious issues there - women don't have penises for example, but like I got it. The sort of Dan Savage era in the 2000s where you could live and let live ("there's nothing wrong with finding a trans woman attractive but if you do, you're definitely not 100% straight and you're a bit kinky").

"I've always been a woman. I was just born in the wrong body". I mean, you were raised as a man, so don't have the experiences women have had growing up, and you're not exactly qualified to talk certain matters around sexism, but OK... I guess it's just an extended version of the last point.

"I've always been a woman, and therefore I've always had a woman's body. Women can have penises". Well we're in a bit of a linguistic quagmire here. Trans Women can have penises but they're males so natch.

"Trans women are women and so are females. The idea that females can't have penises is rooted in cissexist assumptions" Hold on now, you're playing semiotics, biological se-

"There's no such thing as biological sex. Some women have vaginas but there's no correlation. Single sex spaces are wrong, sex segregated sports are wrong"

The last four all happened in the last ten years. Some just happened in the last three or four, going from fringe beliefs to received wisdom. In 2017 we were laughing at Chris-Chan's unclit lunacy but now you can't move for males who had a normal male puberty claiming they're intersex and sex doesn't real.