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Apparently they had a problem with too many applicants having non white wives lol.
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If you're a fellow of means who doesn't mind building his own life, might I suggest giving these wonderful people a call?
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That seems like a bit of a hefty markup on raw land, but I don't know Kentucky real estate.
That's funny, but really sad. It's a testament to their legitimacy if they don't allow these libertarian types in.
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I have a bit of experience in this area. Okay, a lot.
The people who live in this area more or less resent the hell out of "refugees".
By which I mean internal migration of others from areas of the country
People from areas that previously shat on them, took advantage of them and mocked them openly for decades. Longer.
More like since the late 19th century.
Openly belittling, finger-wagging, moralizing at and shitting on an entire region of people for over 100 years while turning their own home into a shithole over-run with Infinite Browns.
Then they flee to the place they've been making fun of since the late 19th century - apparently the people who were previously mocked and derided as benighted, racist, shoeless, toothless inbred hayseeds, who didn't fuck up their own homes, are expected to just forget all the previous abuse.
Yes, you can sell everything, move to one of these boutique communities.
Buy a 2025 Ford F250 Dually or 5th wheel to try and blend in.
But, you won't.
Nobody who lives near where you are moving can afford a new Ford F250 dually or 5th wheel, no matter how many UK or NRA stickers you put on it as camouflage.
They drive 15 year old clapped out white jobber trucks with rust holes in the rear bumper, dented to shit and maybe it has a tailgate - maybe not.
Because that's what they can afford. Because that's what they use for work. What they use for everything.
Putting your Green Bay or New England sportsball team license plate holder on it, or leaving the chromed plastic "New England Auto Sales" badging on the back isn't exactly "blending in" either.
And it is going to take about 3 seconds to get outed once a refugee goes to the grocery store and lets out that grating, nauseating Noo Yawk Shitty fuckhead Yankee accent.
People "flee to the hills" when shit gets bad.
They forget people already live in those hills - have for generations. And they have a long memory.
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Well if they have any deducive capacity, then they could ask a few questions to successfully determine if they're racist and then realize they weren't the ones who modified all of New York or California to be the way they are... And asking questions / getting to know your neighbors is traditional - so that should be easy if they actually are...
If people from this forum moved there, then statistically Montana would become less leftist in general, not more... It is obvious Montana is being affected by all of these cultural shifts too. Of course the major western cities move the fastest.
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Those fleeing the shitholes of their own creation for perceived greener pastures will figure out soon enough that shitting on an entire region for about as long as the US has been a nation state, and then thinking they can just slot in there no problem when they need a safe place to run to, will figure out it out soon enough.
The cultural attitudes pre-date the existence of the US as a country - read "American Nations" by Collin Woodward. Centuries old rivalries that were imported before the US was created that still very much exist.
I'm not part of any of those cultural groups - I am not Anglo nor Scots nor Irish. My people are Suebi and I am an observer. I have my own biases - same as we all do - but at the end of the day it's not my people we are talking about. But the points stand.
I was also thinking about the other problems faced by those who already live there, which will also be faced by those fleeing and the problems will compound.
The entire region is coal country - and got economically rugpulled by Obama almost 20 years ago. Engage in the War on Coal - the Obama people's words, not mine - and they devastate the entire region economically. Once the coal industry was devastated, all the secondary and tertiary industries that were sustained by it went as well.
So, what will these people fleeing there do for a living? Be a work-from-home astronaut? Farm?
Those tiny plots of land cannot sustain individual families. If people were talking about repopulating and reinvigorating existing abandoned towns - which exist - then I would have significantly less heartburn. But they are not - they're creating tiny little enclaves with no sustainability. There's not even a water source up there, and then they sell them to scared people who want a perceived safe haven.
But if those fleeing have no way to sustain themselves - they are overstressing an already devastated economy populated by people who are having a tough time themselves - forget buying groceries, how will they pay off the note on the property?
I suspect what they will get are Boomers who will buy the property because they are the only ones who have any money, and then those Boomers will rent them out. Or they will get Private Equity - which is the new rebranding of the "Corporate Raiders" of the 1980's. An entity like BlackRock or State Street or BlackStone so Larry Fink and his crew can make more trillions owning everything and renting it back to people.
Why is there no movement to re-establish existing abandoned towns?
It seems to me that if Whites were wanting a safe haven to flee to, then these places already exist. It is infinitely easier to occupy an existing place that has everything already built - ways and means, power lines, water, sewage, other infrastructure - rather than trying to make one whole cloth.
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Well, I think the reason the latest 'lets go innawoods' movements actually decided to inhabit raw wilderness instead of a dead city or town is because they could establish some kind of actually defensible bylaws, whereas in the established towns its somewhat pointless to even try
Given how profoundly evil and jewed the government is, its basically nothing but an impediment in every way at this point
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This is an area where I have no experience. I am not a lawyer - I make things. Half artisan, half Engineer.
To my non-lawyer brain, if a town has been abandoned and unincorporated, then there are no bylaws anymore and a new town can be incorporated and new bylaws written.
If a person or legal entity can buy property - like 1000 acres of the middle of nowhere - then that same person can also buy an abandoned town. I seen no difference between the two at a fundamental level, though I would appreciate a subject expert reading this opining from a legal standpoint.
I also get a nudge from my deep memory about an abandoned town in Nevada that was for sale for something like $1000, but I think that was 20 years ago maybe. Could be longer.
Regardless, I get the whole RTTL movement and I approve - set it up as a private club and you get to vet who becomes a member and the NGO's and civil rights jews can go fuckin hang themselves. They don't get a say. For now, until they figure out a way to lawfare the RTTL people.
NB My exhaustive 30 second internet search say that yes, buying an entire town is very much possible and depending on where you want to live it can be very affordable. An entire town in Spain or Romania appears to be under $100K.
RTTL movement means, to me, to take care of our own people - wherever that might be.
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You know how much shit I have eaten on this site alone when I have mentioned in passing I lived in California as an adult? What do you think Appalachian rural types are going to do? Welcome someone with open arms just because they aren't afraid to say "nigger?"
These rural places don't want outsiders. Even if they are right wing they won't share the same cultural values and heritage as the people there do. In the best case scenario, they'll view them as failures or cowards or gave up fighting the tide in their own states. They will also not appreciate the real estate prices going up with outside money coming in. Montana had this issue during the pandemic with all the outsiders coming in and buying up land thinking they could telecommute the rest of their lives. All that did was fuck up the local's lives in the mountain areas and ruined the real estate market.
If you are from suburban/urban New York, New England, New Jersey, or whatever blue shit hole state you are fleeing from, just go to another suburb like Dallas or Miami-Dade and just remember what lead to you leaving in the first place. In regards to my former fellow Californians, the time to leave was during the pandemic, not after the governor recall election. That was the second best time to leave, the best time to leave was before the census so California would lose more congressional seats; it's what I did. If you couldn't recognize how the state was abusing its authority while it's corrupt governor was dining without a mask on, you should stay put. Your politics and reasoning are best suited for California and no purple or red state should suffer fools.
Personally, I think people are putting too much stock in rural living and running away from the problem. Not to mention if you aren't a tradesman or an engineer, you may not be very useful in repopulating a depleted rural town. Don't put a lot of stock in telecommuting, that's ending. You want a safer community? Try to make your current one safer, get involved with local politics or organizations to advance what you think would benefit your people. For example, younger shooters need to take over fuddy gun organizations and vote out the boomer boards so they can actually be useful advocacy and training grounds. You can vote and you should vote in all elections, especially local.
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IMO not great advice. I agree dont swarm into existing communities that don't want you, but this is definitely a situation of a scattered few pathetic refugees fleeing to new ground to possibly do something productive there. I don't really care if someone thinks I'm pathetic, because at that point I am. Refugees are innately pathetic.
If I am currently living somewhere that is like + 1 million niggers per annum and everyone in public is still mortally afraid of the n-word let alone fighting them off, it is absolutely pointless for me to stay put. Long term I'm not going to if it seems like I could go anywhere else that at least clains to want to deal with the issue.
That being said the current options are pretty pathetic I want to see people raising money to build a real city not going innawoods and building individual cabins and living a secular/pagan lifestyle like that one pack of faggots. Like honestly our ancestors lived like retarded savages for millennia and the reason the US was succeessful was because it was designed as the ultimate white christian nation. If it isn't explicitly enslaved to God it is not serious.
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This whole thread is either "where not to live" or "don't move here, we're full." At this point, the only advice worth giving is you might as well stay and try to fight it off subversively as long as your right to self-defense is not infringed.
Right and I said as long you aren't Californian, go move to a red state with a metropolitan area to tip the scales. For example if you live in Minnesota with the mess of the twin cities, then you should leave but you aren't finding a perfection place and should just consider a suburb or a red state metropolitan area to keep it red. The issue is that people want a version of Coeur d'Alene of the 80s and 90s in Appalachia or New England and that doesn't exist anywhere in the US anymore. You're not going to find a perfect place unless you move to a reasonable place and put the work in.
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Well thats kindof what im saying, its not even worth moving unless im going to go help build that. Thats the thing I want to talk about here
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Get boomers with money out of your mind a second, I'm in my 20s and I have literally never known an America where the coast wasn't completely enshittened. I wasn't around to act high and pompus to "the fly-overs".
I get the feeling many zoomed will end up moving there just by getting priced out of coastal living and third world flooding they didn't vote for
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Mentally, spiritually, physically, emotionally, this is where I am. There is no place "safe" left to flee to. My family and I - I am Patriarch - have had several very serious conversations about where we should live. This would involve abandoning literally everything and leaving. Which is very serious.
We have family in Europe. We have family in the US. Both are options. More than one of us has real world skills making things, producing things, so slotting into a job actually contributing and being a producer, and already speaking the language, knowing the system, etc, will not be "seamless" but it will be a lot smoother than just some Random rocking up with his rice bowl and begging for table scraps.
My position is: if there is no safe ground to flee to then I might as well plant my banner here as it is as good a place as any. There is no unanimous decision on this and there is dissent, but at the end of the day this isn't a democracy. Democracy should be metaphorically dragged screaming out behind the chemical shed and have a metaphorical bullet put into its skull.
It is the opinion of myself and men I respect that war is coming - to the EU and the US - and that this will happen to some degree within the next 18 to 24 months. What is more important than how many basement beans you have or dehydrated Bitcoin or how far you have fled innawoods, what is more important than all of that is your mental attitude, your level of preparedness and how many real life physical relationships you have.
Nobody knows everything, but everyone knows something.
For those looking for a genuine move, I suggest Joel Skousen's work. Military officer, threat assessment guy and fighter pilot. Engineer. Guy has worn a lot of hats. He's smart - smarter than me - and he already has done this work.
The Strategic Relocation Guide.
https://joelskousen.com/strategic-relocation
I'm Gen X. We are the first victims of the Boomers. These bastards have been in charge - are STILL in charge and are having radical medical procedures done to extend their lives so they can STAY in charge - and they refuse to die and fuck off. I am not saying I'm pissed off about our right to rule being passed over - but every shitty policy decision made for the last 40 years (longer) has been their fucking responsibility. 100%.
If you are looking for sympathy for being dealt a shitty hand, then I am very much sympathetic. Being held responsible for shit you didn't do sucks - and I have been there too. But there is little you can do about it other than work to reverse the shitty reputation you got handed.
Look at it this way: Not to play the "Not All X Are Y" card, but it is true that not ALL brown invaders will gut you like a fish for the contents of your wallet or your smart phone. But it's not MY fuckin job to clamber through busloads of brown invaders looking for the one or two statistical outliers who do not conform to the stereotype. If they don't like their shit reputation, then they can work to reverse that. No unearned credibility.
As far as the housing market, this is some advanced shit but I need you to trust me when I say that the housing market is over-valued by orders of magnitude greater than the 2007-08 crisis that almost imploded the global economy. It is unsustainable and it *will* implode. IMHO, that is the Big Bad that nobody is talking about. That, and NVIDIA - overvalued into the trillions, it is being artificially propped up by the US govt. because if it implodes, it will singlehandedly tank Wall Street. It's that bad. And nobody wants to be President during a recession/depression.
This is civilization-ending levels of debt so profound, we are buckling under the strain. Everyone admits there is a mathematical limit to the debt, but nobody can agree on what that limit is. And then there is the specter of those who want to inflict digital currency/digital surveillance state on us all, and for that they require things going kinetic to give themselves casus belli.
It's a lot to digest. But this is our reality. My son is in your same position. I do not blame him for the resentment he feels.
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Because generally speaking to live somewhere you need to work. "Remote work" is a dying fad and honestly if your job can be replaced by a jeet or shitskin a thousand miles away, it will be.
Running off into the woods or doing an off-grid LARP isn't a viable option for 90% of people who don't have the finances to do so. You need long-term stable employment which means having to live with the unwashed masses. This is unfortunate, but it's reality.
Job availability is the #1 factor that determines where people live.
The common denominator among people who live "off-grid" who aren't the Amish is they are from money and got handed down a silver spoon. This isn't a luxury most people have.
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This.
Here is the cultural map of the US, as it stands in 2025 and where I got it.
https://colinwoodard.com/new-map-the-american-nations-regions-across-north-america/
Disagree. Times change - people don't. Meaning human nature doesn't.
The people who hacked a life out of the wilderness with their own two bare hands were no different than the people today.
What you are talking about is comfort. Maintaining your current standard of living and your lifestyle while surrounded by trees and wind and the Infinite Brown hordes are back in the blasted post-apocalyptic feral cities.
Whereas I am talking about viability and sustainability.
They are not the same thing. Your position is unrealistic and unsustainable.
I fucked off innawoods a long time ago and brought my family with me. It was a serious downgrade from what we had been used to, and the isolation and learning curve, etc, has been... challenging. For all of us.
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You need income to pay for shit retard. I don't know what world you live in.
Living "off-grid" has a significant cost burden associated with it. You have land payments, property taxes, you still have to buy food. There is a huge initial investment in acquiring land, septic, utility hookup or solar, drilling a well, etc. Animals are expensive and unless you are posting from the Tranch there are costs associated with animals. Do you know how much money large animal vets make? It's not cheap.
By no means am I saying it's impossible but most people have insane delusional fantasies of what "off-grid" living is like.
My position that you need a job to work to earn money?
Unless you are doing a Captain Fantastic-LARP and living in a bus in the woods you aren't going to avoid having expenses. Frankly, I think you are full of shit.
I'm sorry if I was overly hostile towards you. I don't even disagree with you on a fundamental level. But the reality is, living remotely innawoods on 5 acres of land or whatever is simply untenable for the average person.
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So we're imagining RW folks fleeing blue states to white enclaves elsewhere in the US.
The question that needs to be asked is what conditions need to be necessary for said enclave to not quickly turn to shit; to not go from poor to even poorer; to not have the local residents want to slaughter you for showing up.
Well I can tell you Kentucky, beautiful as it is (and I do love the time I've spent there), that's not going to cut it.
You need to have a place where when more hands show up, more land can be turned to producing more than enough food. It's as simple as that.
Appalachia isn't the sort of land that does that easily. It's the middle of the US. It's those big boring flat places. That's where your Orania needs to be, in the sort of territory that looks a lot like Orania. Kansas or something. Out there.
(Forgive me if you disagree, as I'm not entirely confident in my assessment here. But it's what my brain is saying atm.)
The question that needs to be asked is what conditions need to be necessary for said enclave to not quickly turn to shit; to not go from poor to even poorer; to not have the local residents want to slaughter you for showing up.
Well I can tell you Kentucky, beautiful as it is (and I do love the time I've spent there), that's not going to cut it.
You need to have a place where when more hands show up, more land can be turned to producing more than enough food. It's as simple as that.
Appalachia isn't the sort of land that does that easily. It's the middle of the US. It's those big boring flat places. That's where your Orania needs to be, in the sort of territory that looks a lot like Orania. Kansas or something. Out there.
(Forgive me if you disagree, as I'm not entirely confident in my assessment here. But it's what my brain is saying atm.)
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Stop being an asshole. I already told you that I have already done what everyone in this thread is talking about and I'm trying to help people by addressing issues that I already dealt with years ago.
I deleted a huge portion of a previous post that spoke about self reliance. In hindsight, I should have left it in.
I have mastered or gotten very competent at a very large number of practical, eclectic skills over the years because, frankly, there just isn't anyone else around when you need them. Including fabricating what we need from scratch. And that includes building a reference library because I can't remember everything. Nobody can.
And anyone thinking about fucking off innawoods will have to do this as well. You *will* learn how to do things or learn to go without and live with disappointment.
This only touches the tip of the iceberg - there is always something that needs addressing and that's without the feckless parasites at the county level fucking with you.
Example: There is a scam - very illegal - that they engage in but it happens every day across the US. The school board takes the property value assessor guy "out to lunch" and just accidentally leaves their yearly budget on the table when everyone leaves.
This is the plausible deniability bullshit excuse they tell everyone - 'oh we just forgot it'. Then property value guy goes out and jacks up everyone's property taxes so the school board can make their projected budget. No, it's not supposed to work that way, assholes. You work with what you have, same as the rest of us. Getting fucky with people's property taxes because the teachers break room needs a new fuckin margarita machine isn't gonna happen.
It is *extremely* illegal, but it happens. We found out about it and jammed them up. They responded by inflicting a new "school tax" on everyone despite our property taxes supposedly going to schools already.
Agreed. But, like I tell my son: whatever you are thinking of doing, chances are someone has already done it - so find that guy and see what he did.
There's a book called 10 Acres Enough. Dude fucked off innawoods with his family and made a go with it - just checked out. In 1864. What he did will still work.
You need significantly LESS money if you are willing to put up with a lot LESS comfort.
I do not own a smart phone. I own a flip phone I bought at a gas station in the Blue Ridge. With cash. I keep minutes on it. It makes calls. My daily is from the 1980's and I keep it running because I taught myself how to fix it. My farm truck is from the 1970's. My tractor is from the 1950's
We make about 80% of our own food. Dinner last night was venison from this last hunting season. We make our own bread at home and I am about to start a sourdough starter culture today with a repurposed Ball jar and a clean old dishtowel.
You are free to think what you want - I'm not the thought police. But what I am trying to tell you is that you are still talking about comfort - how to maintain a leisure, shit-fairy-dropping-useless-crap-on-my-porch, Ubereats and Starbucks lifestyle while living rural.
And that is NOT going to happen. You're going to work, and all that that means. We live an hour from "town". One way. That puts a big cramp in a lot of what people do.
The only reason why I got time to bang out this shit longhand for you all is because I am recovering from shoulder replacement surgery and I can't do much else other than type atm.
Apology accepted. No blood, no foul. It is a heated subject and people feel strongly about it.
People are scared, looking for someplace safe to be - anywhere, really. And the cold reality is that yes, it is doable but it is going to require people to accept a non-leisure lifestyle and abandon a great many things. Those turds selling postage stamp sized lots to scared people looking to flee the shithole of their own creation... they are fuckin soaking people.
Know what I did? I bought a little run down farm on a foreclosure. 100 year old farmhouse with it's own independent water supply, falling apart and mistreated. I put half a year of sweat equity into it fixing it up - plastering walls, sanding, painting, and it's still not 100%, but it's okay - put in new fencing by hand and then reclaimed a horse pasture gone to weeds.
Planted an orchard and a garden. We had ducks, but a fox got in and killed them all, so I need to figure something out because just shooting him is an option, but I would rather dissuade the creature passively rather than just blasting his ass.
Maybe something with livestock wire and a battery with a solar charger. I have yet to meet the creature that likes getting tazed.
This spring, we're getting goats and sheep most likely - because frankly I am tired of fucking mowing. Waste of time, money, energy. And I am about economy of action.
You are not wrong. The arable land is all in the hollows between the ridges - that's where all the good dirt is for growing food. And people already live there. Guy across the road from me raises cows. So did the guy next to me, but he moved.
The land I have, it's rocky - lots of limestone. It's zoned AG 2, so okay for livestock but not so much for growing crops. We have two good fields for growing our own food - I will probably divide that into three equal portions so we can practice crop rotation, animal manure/compost and resting the land, instead of relying on fixed nitrogen fertilizers to force the land to produce.
Living on top of a ridge makes for nice views, but there's not even any water up there. And they've gotten stingy on permits for well drilling. So you have to pump it up there.
Also, people need to think about these fucking data centers - they roll into a rural area, suck up all the water and power for their server farm or whatever and next thing you know your power and water bills triple for no reason.
