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@Unog the real question is what is love?
It's a battleground, obviously.
As far as a single human being goes I nominate Genghis Khan. He was one stone-cold evil motherfucker.
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@Unog the real question is what is love?
I dunno, whites didn't really introduce slavery to any but the most isolated peoples, it's a pretty universal concept. The Africans did it, the American Indians did it. Latin Americans really did it. The worst thing about white exploration was spreading smallpox. That's destructive, sure, but it's hardly evil.
If the definition of "evil" is thus: causing the most suffering in the world and changing the world for the worst. Then who do you Kiwi's sincerely believe is the most evil? If we could avoid sarcastic "It's Null!" answers then great but I'm no dictator (pardon the pun). If you truly believe that Mark Zuckerberg is worse than Hitler then let's hear it.
If we're going with just the raw body count there have been many worse men then Hitler. Stalin killed about 20 million of his people through famines. Mao killed about 50 million Chinese. And supposedly King Leopold killed roughly 100 million. But those guys aren't the go-to poster children of the definition of evil like Hitler.
They killed untold millions. The Atlantic slave trade was by majority the British and the French. You conquered not only North America, but South America, Central America and you brought slavery there. What the french did the to Haitians is horrible. What you did to the Africans is much more so.
Those poor peaceloving aztec of central america. View attachment 815130
Those poor anti-slavery africans, who practised slavery before encountering europeans and even after europeans tried to end the practice. Who practice slavery even today and still have slave markets.
Why are people missing what the OP asked? Who caused the most damage/being evil. Did the Africans conquer the continents, did the Aztec?
Nope. Christ some of you people are really thick. It's okay to say the white man did this. I feel no shame for it, because we brought civilization to many around the world.
And when they talk about cultural appropriations well tell them to give up their cell phones, computers, airlines etc.
Can't you acknowledge that we did this without being butt hurt about it?
We killed a lot of people who were minding their own business. I'd tend to say that was evil.
I'm okay when you are portraying things somewhat accurately, but you're not. Europeans didn't bring slavery to the americas. There was already slavery there. Yes, they are different kinds of slavery, but it's just false to say the europeans were the first to bring slavery to the americas.
It's also kind of interesting how in your first messages you wrote "They killed untold millions." and "You conquered not only North America, but South America, Central America and you brought slavery there. What the french did the to Haitians is horrible. What you did to the Africans is much more so. "
But when I throw some mild banter your way, suddenly it's "I feel no shame for it, because we brought civilization to many around the world." and "we did this "
So which is it? Do you belong to that group or not?
Is it a you/they? Or is it an us/we who did this?
It's a very convenient change. Very slippery.
Nope it's not a convenient change. I acknowledge the slave trade of the Arabs and also acknowledge that native Americans took slaves including white Europeans to raise them as native Americans. I also mentioned the Barbary nations.
It's not about what you "acknowledge", it's the slippery language you use where you weren't part of the group when you were calling out a group for being the most evil, but when you got the slightest bit of resistance (read back, it really wasn't that much banter or resistance at all), suddenly, to elicit empathy and lend credibility, as if you were taking responsibility, you were part of the group that did the most evil.
Really makes one think.
I worked tech support when I was younger and really having humans perform those insane guidelines isn't any better.Whoever the fuck invented automated tech support. Fun fact: if you yell "I'M GOING TO SKULLFUCK YOU, YOU STUPID COMPUTER, GIVE ME A PERSON" into the phone some of these tech support bots will politely kick you to a real human being in rapid fashion.
Dude I'm white and of European descent and I know what we did. This isn't self hatred or whatever you are trying to pin on me. I'm talking history and this is our history. I'm not sure of your angle here.
If I come conquer your country do you think I'm the good guy or the bad guy.
Pretty simple question ain't it?
If it were you, I'd probably think you were autistic.
Again, try to keep up, I'm not contesting that you consider slavery or conquering evil.
I worked tech support when I was younger and really having humans perform those insane guidelines isn't any better.
I quit when the new rules went into play and we could only replace modems if people were, and this was the language used "irrationally angry". Until that point we had to bullshit, dodge, stall, whatever, even if the problem was clearly the modem.