Who's responsible for the state of modern CWC? - A discussion.

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Who is responsible for the state of modern Chris?

  • Chris Himself

    Votes: 127 17.6%
  • Borb

    Votes: 48 6.6%
  • Trolls

    Votes: 24 3.3%
  • CWC's extended family

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • The Government

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Chris AND Borb

    Votes: 106 14.7%
  • Chris AND Borb AND the trolls

    Votes: 66 9.1%
  • A mixture of all the above

    Votes: 192 26.6%
  • EXTRA: Borb AND the state

    Votes: 17 2.4%
  • The Jews

    Votes: 138 19.1%

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I think it's a mix of all of the above. Bob and Barb weren't well-suited to raise an autistic child, which stunted Chris very early on. However, as an adult, I feel that Chris is ultimately in control of his thoughts and actions. Should Chris had been raised differently, had the state stepped in, had the trolls not been there, I think we would have seen a very different Chris.
 
Why do you think he started carrying around mace?
Oh, I agree he is completely paranoid but a huge part of his motives come from his ego, he believes he is important enough that people want to take time out of their lives (wife, children, and work) to bother him and try to suppress his almighty glory. If Chris found out that the man in the pickle suit was just a normal guy that works in different parts of the world, he would probably be surprised that one of his most high-profile trolls is not mentally masturbating to everything he says 24 hours a day. Although Chris is mentally exceptional and ill, he has been confronted thousands of times with the information that his world view is not in accordance with his true and honest reality. Just like now, Chris seems to have stopped with the binaural stuff after his taint was called out for just being an organic hole, and he seems to understand it. Chris can probably understand that his delusional beliefs are not real, he just does not want to.
Also, there are probably some cows that are probably in worse conditions than Chris himself in terms of family, peers, and other influences and they do not act the way Chris does. A lot of Chris' behavior is autistic and a lot of his behavior is maladaptive in accordance with a personality disorder, which can be helped and controlled.
 
Chris has been the same since before the internet became aware of him. Since it seems most accounts of early Chris are post high school, I would say simply his parents failed him.
State doesn't really have much to do with it since ultimately his parents have to ask for help before he will get it.
 
It's a mix of everything up to this point, but I think a large part of it is his upbringing and his predisposition to being coddled his whole life thanks to his aging redneck parents, along with the fact that nobody ever bothered to call him out on his bullshit until adulthood when it was too late.

Autism itself isn't necessarily a lolcow sentence. He could've turned out relatively normal had he been given the proper care in school and home, but the Chandlers always choose the easy (read: laziest) way out of hard situations when they can and never budge when they encounter opposition.
 
Honestly the only thing on the list that I wouldn't blame is the state. The state offered Chris and his parents various ways of dealing with his autism and they fought them all tooth and nail because their ego wouldn't allow them to have a child who was classed with other mentally stunted children.

I think it can be overstated the impact that trolls have had on Chris's life. I mean don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that their actions didn't help influence who he is today but his life was still always one that was going downhill due to lots of various factors.

People often forget that before CWC was discovered, he was constantly already getting into trouble with the law. He had been suspended for a violent incident with Mary Lee Walsh, he had been arrested after several encounters with the police and still he was insisting on going everywhere with his attraction sign.

I hold contempt for anyone who has influenced him into his transsexual ideals or the 'lesbians' who bullied him into knifing himself a taint but, asides from that form of extreme trolling, I still think his life would have been in a terrible state no matter what.

Great thread idea by the way. It's good to see that if users write up a decent enough opening post and ask an intelligent enough question, Chris can still be reasonably discussed on this subforum without us needing to discuss current content.
 
In all seriousness, given that "recently" (past couple years) there's been a surge in the whole Social Justice Warrior thing and here Chris is becoming a beautiful transsexual woman while talking about oppressive men here and there, I'm super curious if Chris doesn't in some ways default towards being an autistic reflection of the internet and pop culture as a collective. Flashback maybe 8 years ago and Chris' worst crime (yknow, besides being a mental case and basically everything he did ever) was Meme'ing without a License and failing to comprehend how it worked, but it was all there: he would talk about Family Guy cause that's what people were watching and it was cool. He always tried to toss in pop-culture references and shit to his Sonichu comics, and while he royally fucked that up and gave us all World Class mysteries to solve (like wtf went through his head when he wrote "You don't have to tell me twice. BUT IN THE STONE AGE!"), he did mimic the internet and pop culture to a degree. His own special degree, but it still counts. Surely that wasn't anyone's doing but his own? Surely that was just his own autistic mind attempting to blend in, thus resulting in piss-poor attempts to reference pop culture in a "humorous" way? Also worth mentioning that back then, he was straight and loved China, and he agreed with his conservative father about all kinds of stuff.

Now here we are and Chris and his neverending Lovequest is easy prey for ANY WOMAN EVER. Eventually someone tells him about the patriarchy, now we have Stephanie Bustcakes. You cannot tell me with a straight face that Chris would've naturally become a transgender woman if he didn't have someone with boobs whispering in his ear about the patriarchy. I see no reason to think trolls are responsible for this (let me know if I'm wrong), this just seems like something that naturally happened because he happened across some lady contacts that were into fighting the patriarchy.

So what happens eight years from now? What happens if people decide "woops lol that SJW shit was dumb" and it slowly disappears into obscurity, but suddenly hot damn everyone's really big on Japanese tentacle hentai and you can hardly open up google without your browser trying to violate you if you're a delicious loli. Is Chris gonna dawn some self-made tentacle suit or start listening to some hypnosis videos for transforming into an octopus? Is he gonna dress like a japanese schoolgirl all the time?

Surely we can all agree that Chris, Barb, the trolls and the internet all hold partial responsibility, but I'm curious about just how influenced Chris naturally is when left to his own accord. In a parallel universe where Chris Chan isn't famous, would he still reflect pop culture and internet culture to a similar degree? If Chris Chan poops himself in a video and no one's around to retweet it, does he keep doing it? A question for the philosophers, surely, but a question I'd love to get an answer to.
 
I'm of the opinion that the biggest problem with Chris is that his mental development stopped at some time around the age of 8. You look at him in that Christmas video from when he was 24, and he was basically just a child in an adult's body. And that was before the Internet found him. What you see now is that taken to its horrible extreme - he's a kid in an adult's world, with adult drives and adult's rights but none of the intelligence or experience needed to deal with that. Whether the Internet had discovered him or not, he'd still be that manchild. Maybe he wouldn't be the specific kind of crazy he is now, but he'd still be crazy. Maybe he'd be better, maybe he'd be worse.

For that, I blame Borb. They knew he was autistic, and they fought against getting his condition treated. They thought they could just sweep it under the rug in the hope that it would just get better. When he started falling behind academically, when he started acting out and getting into trouble, they still did nothing. And eventually they just gave up, only taking an active interest when his behaviour made them look bad.

I think that with parents who actually gave a shit about their son, who swallowed their pride and got him the help he needed, he might have turned out okay. Not brilliant, but he might at least have been functional.
 
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Trolls produced content, but they did not worsen Chris' condition. Chris is deeply, deeply fucked-up. Like, the most fuckep-up among the greatest fuck-ups. He's almost divinely fucked-up, and already was long before his discovery. Trolls did not change that.

This is all the work of a demented Barb and an ignorant Bob, coupled with Chris' crippling mental illness. There are no other culprits.
 
While Chis is the main reason why he's gone downhill in recent times. I can safely say that he's far from the only one.

Yes, Barb and Bob (to a lesser extent) are to blame for his behavior too. But when you get down to it, so are a lot of other people. The trolls became more obvious and damaging to Chris's mental state as time wore on. Both extended families, while justifiable in their decision towards having little to no contact with them, could have at least tried before giving up entirely (Especially in regards towards Cole).

As for the state, while I agree they've been justified with punishing Chris, the fact of the matter is that they still went pretty lenient on him. And it's obvious that no one taught Chris that police are there to help him, and not bad guys who are out to get him (granted, the harassment and Love Quest didn't help in any case). And if the Nathanael Greene incident is true, then the school system should have properly looked at what was going on as well instead of going "We'll bar your son from getting an education in public".

Still, getting to the center of it all, Chris is culprit no. 1. Even despite the other factors. His inability to learn from past mistakes, coupled with his crippling autism and horrid upbringing makes his worldview warped as fuck. Had Borb been better at their parenting, then maybe the other factors wouldn't be at play- He wouldn't get in constant trouble, the school incidents wouldn't have happened (or at the very least, not to the extents they did) and there'd be fewer trolls on his ass. But alas, shit happened the way it did. And he's got mostly himself to blame, not like he'll admit it though.
 
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Now here we are and Chris and his neverending Lovequest is easy prey for ANY WOMAN EVER. Eventually someone tells him about the patriarchy, now we have Stephanie Bustcakes. You cannot tell me with a straight face that Chris would've naturally become a transgender woman if he didn't have someone with boobs whispering in his ear about the patriarchy. I see no reason to think trolls are responsible for this (let me know if I'm wrong), this just seems like something that naturally happened because he happened across some lady contacts that were into fighting the patriarchy.

Everything is a combination of nature and environment. I don't think CWC would bring himself to identify as a transwoman without the pop culture surrounding it now, but he'd certainly be doing a lot of other shit that'd really make us wonder if he'd ever take up the mantle.

He already did. He wore women's underwear, collected My Little Ponies, and talked about wanting to be "the housewife" well before even tomgirl was a thing. After he cut his taint open to seemingly free a growing vagina, it only solidified my belief that he has serious unresolved issues surrounding his gender, whether he's trans or not. He is suffering an illness he is not mentally equipped to deal with alone.
 
A combination of all the factors. But the largest single factor was that Borb lost their shit when it was broached to them that he was a special boy. The State wanted to try to help him but Borb heard "learning difficulties" or "autism" and thought it was a lifetime of lobotomies and straitjackets for him.
 
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