Why are (((Atheists))) like this?

Religions may well have utility in keeping societies stable. That has no bearing on whether any of them are factually true.
Sure, a lot of the stories are allegories or metaphors, as opposed to factual historical accords. The point is, faith gives a person a connection to their community, and provides support for their morals for when times get tough.

That's why there are no atheist cultures. Whenever they encounter the first hurdle like a war or a famine or any sort of crisis, they either collapse into degenerate anarchy due to a lack of social cohesion or suddenly find God.
 
Sure, a lot of the stories are allegories or metaphors, as opposed to factual historical accords. The point is, faith gives a person a connection to their community, and provides support for their morals for when times get tough.
Sure, probably. But again, a clever, well-time lie can bring the community together and provide hope in the face of struggle and so on and so forth.

Factual truth is not measured by how good it makes you feel.
 
Most religions?
Are you including the thousands of them that didn't get widespread and got lost to time or regional ones?
Or just the big ones that got adopted by empires and spread through conquest?
All religions are our (often a bit odd) attempts to answer philosophical questions that we simply have no way of reaching objective answers on. Humans are hard wired to create religion. All religions share patterns of what you can see as deeper truths, or deeper ideas. My goodness. I’m alive. One day I will not be alive, that’s a scary thought. Look at all this beautiful creation. Where did it come from? Something bad happened, why? Look we had a baby and it has its own consciousness, wow that’s incredible, what’s happening there? Why do we die? What happens after? What do these patterns mean? I loved her and she’s dead, will that be forever?
We cannot answer most of these questions with observational scientific methods. We can say these days why crops fail, but we still have not a fucking clue what consciousness actually is. we have no idea what happens to us as ‘consciousnesses’ after death. We have no idea how the universe began. Right now, with our current knowledge, the idea of a soul is as valid as the models of consciousness
Religions in general peek at these deeper truths. The gervais esque ‘duh which god yours or the other thousand..?’ Stuff misses the point. The god manifestation in the culture is culture bound but the idea of a greater divinity is universal. We all need to eat. What we cook depends on what’s around us. A Hindi cookbook doesn’t disprove French cuisine.
You cannot argue or reason an atheist into belief or a believer into atheism, becasue both are beliefs no matter how much each side pretends otherwise.
 
Also also, you can't prove that nothing can't create everything because there is no nothing to analyze.
There's something everywhere, even in the void of space there are particles all over the place.
But we know that 'nothing' can produce 'something' and we all using this knowledge...

That's why there are no atheist cultures.
It is called nontheistic religions and they are fine.

Humans are hard wired to create religion.
Uhm, nope.

Humans are always trying to have answer why something is happening. If you observe that kids produced by close relatives are often deformed or you wanna to explain why lightnings are coming from skies AND you have nearly none option to gain knowledge about genetics (incest thing) or physics (lightening) you will probably invent a god to explain why.

Moses, Muhammad and so one have no option to make sufficent answers to most of science-related questions. And something extreme important: it is proven that faith is evolving in time. JHWH was 'introduced' as one of politheistic gods in current south Israel/Sinai.

With time JHWH evolved into sole god of current monotheistic religions. Religion in ME/Europe was always changing in direction from 'plenty of gods' to 'one god'. Partially it happened not only to judaism but also to most of local pagan cults (at least it was in motion before all of them turn obsolete).
 
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Well, I think I'm better because I never fucked a kid, killed a kid and I pay taxes in country which has social system concerned about eliminating lack of food for kids (Kindergeld FTW). And I don't need any faith to do that.
You do however need faith to hope that Moritz aus Magdeburg isn’t just using that Kindergeld for liquor and OnlyFans.

How come throughout thousands years of history there hasn't been a single successful atheist culture?
If theism is a belief in a separate higher power and atheism the lack of that, I’m not sure where general spirituality fits in. Finding meaning in connecting with others and accomplishments is enough to hold a society together, whether or not they name specific Gods or they just celebrate those feelings. I’m essentially agreeing with you and many others here but mostly because atheism is so poorly defined, I don’t even understand what the disagreement is about. It really does just feels like edgy teens trying to get a rise out of people most of the time.
 
But we know that 'nothing' can produce 'something' and we all using this knowledge...


It is called nontheistic religions and they are fine.
Nontheism is the absence of a belief in God. Atheism is the belief in the absense of God. Stay retarded, kebab.

Sure, probably. But again, a clever, well-time lie can bring the community together and provide hope in the face of struggle and so on and so forth.

Factual truth is not measured by how good it makes you feel.
Religion was never about factual truth, it was always about something immeasurable beyond it. That's why religion is not science, and science is not religion. Trying to mix up the two only causes problems.
 
Religions in general peek at these deeper truths. The gervais esque ‘duh which god yours or the other thousand..?’ Stuff misses the point. The god manifestation in the culture is culture bound but the idea of a greater divinity is universal. We all need to eat. What we cook depends on what’s around us. A Hindi cookbook doesn’t disprove French cuisine.
Hindi and French cookbooks don't claim to be universal, eternal truth.
 
Sure, a lot of the stories are allegories or metaphors, as opposed to factual historical accords. The point is, faith gives a person a connection to their community, and provides support for their morals for when times get tough.

That's why there are no atheist cultures. Whenever they encounter the first hurdle like a war or a famine or any sort of crisis, they either collapse into degenerate anarchy due to a lack of social cohesion or suddenly find God.
The only examples i can think of are like the USSR who instead of placing their faith in a non-interactive god they place their faith in their leaders. That usually seems to lead to the leadership believing that they are above the laws of physics or the cold calculations of reality and things go sideways eventually.

I wonder what it would be like to build an omnipotent AI that would be considered a god.

Hindi and French cookbooks don't claim to be universal, eternal truth.
Ask a French or Italian cook if a cookbook can't be a universal truth, i dare you.
 
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I wonder what it would be like to build an omnipotent AI that would be considered a god.
If that AI will be able to provide stable isotope of any chemical element from eight period I will call it Sally.

Nontheism is the absence of a belief in God. Atheism is the belief in the absense of God.
And none of this is truth outside teh internetz.
 
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If that AI will be able to provide stable isotope of any chemical element from eight period I will call it Sally.


And none of this is truth outside teh internetz.
Sure it is. There has never been a single successful atheist culture throughout history, that's the truth.

If you don't understand the difference between nontheism and atheism, maybe you should learn about it before even getting involved in this conversation, because you just sound retarded and assmad.
 
Western Atheism culture is informed by religion culture.

The problem with Euphoric Atheism is that they act like the religious.
 
There has never been a single successful atheist culture throughout history,
All that PRC shrines with all tha gods living inside them will agree with you.

The problem with Euphoric Atheism is that they act like the religious.

We should define about which 'atheists' we are discussing. Guy up there is confusing antitheism with atheism for example (if you just refusing to belive in god worshiped in your country you are antitheist in first place).
 
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And none of this is truth outside teh internetz.
generally if you describe yourself as an atheist you've already drawing a line in the sand and labelling yourself as someone that explicitly refuses to believe in a god. If you're a nontheist you just won't care, or if pressed would call yourself a nontheist if you know the word or otherwise something that means the same.
 
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All that PRC shrines with all tha gods living inside them will agree with you.



We should define about which 'atheists' we are discussing. Guy up there is confusing antitheism with atheism for example (if you just refusing to belive in god worshiped in your country you are antitheist in first place).
My fuck, you are dense. Atheism is the belief in the non-existence of God. I said there has never been a successful atheist society in the history of humanity, then you came in blathering about nontheism and agnosticism and other unrelated shit as a cope.

Still not sure what your point is, other than you trying to justify your own heathen satanic lifestyle to yourself. Secular muslims are really the worst people on the planet, they carry the worst cultural values of both islam and atheism.
 
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If you're a nontheist you just won't care,
You described apatheism - 'ok, you are god JHWH if you say so, but i'm not interested. Have a nice day'.

Nontheist can even not know what is god or what god is supposed to be, because they never invented that concept for some reasons.

labelling yourself as someone that explicitly refuses to believe in a god
Do you need to belive that Zeus isn't ever existing to be a non-beliver in Zeus? No, you don't.

Atheism is the belief in the non-existence of God.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/atheism

Cambridge dictionary says something other. (try to guess what means 'lack of belief' and if a lack of belief in FSM means you are beliving that FSM isn't existing). Well, I would rather to belive that this guys are right, and you are wrong.
 
Hindi and French cookbooks don't claim to be universal, eternal truth.
The truth is the need for food. All religions attempt to fill that gap. We have all wondered the big questions. Some of us think divinity, others think materialism. We will never get an answer in this life and I can’t prove God exists any more than an atheist can prove He doesn’t. In that light both stances are beliefs.
A related point as well I’ve thought of these last years. Most people cannot be moral without an imposed moral framework. Maybe you can, you seem to have your head screwed on right. I think I can, I’ve always had a sense of roght and wrong in and of itself. But look at modern society. Without the shame based taboos we are hurtling down into the abyss. Without religion we are turning to secular cults like the woke and the SJW and really fucking loving science. The control religion offers is good for society. Is it good for the individual? Often no, it’s bad for them. Gay? Independent woman? Out of luck in previous times. But selection acts on the group as well as the individual. If my tribe is stronger cohesively because of our belief in our god, and we are all going to heaven for smiting the tribe next door and theirs is a bunch of gay individualists scared of death, we are walking all over them.
Religion os a group selection is powerful.
Uhm, nope.
No we are. We absolutely are, in the same way we are wired to detect patterns in the trees in case it’s a tiger. There’s a whole field of very objective study on this, here’s an article from new scientist. https://archive.is/j2bzu
When we don’t get given religions, we make them. That is what social cults are. Look at the work stuff - it has mantras like ‘love is love’ or ‘trans women are women.’ It has lists of doctrinal beliefs. It has leaders, and heretics cast out. It has a dogmatic belief in something, (ironically often something that CAN be disproven like trans women, they’re actually men…) it has original sin (white privilege.) struggle sessions, the lot. It’s like an AI hallucinating, if you don’t give us structure, we create it. And as I say above, given two otherwise identical tribes a religious cohesive group who think death in battle is glorious and love their kin as themselves, and practice charity and compassion to each other is wiping the floor with one who are not.
 
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You described apatheism - 'ok, you are god JHWH if you say so, but i'm not interested. Have a nice day'.

Nontheist can even not know what is god or what god is supposed to be, because they never invented that concept for some reasons.


Do you need to belive that Zeus isn't ever existing to be a non-beliver in Zeus? No, you don't.


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/atheism

Cambridge dictionary says something other. (try to guess what means 'lack of belief' and if a lack of belief in FSM means you are beliving that FSM isn't existing). Well, I would rather to belive that this guys are right, and you are wrong.
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What does that say, kebab?

Compare to:
Nontheism has generally been used to describe apathy or silence towards the subject of God and differs from atheism.

Atheism is a belief. Nontheism is the lack of belief.
 
You described apatheism - 'ok, you are god JHWH if you say so, but i'm not interested. Have a nice day'.

Nontheist can even not know what is god or what god is supposed to be, because they never invented that concept for some reasons.


Do you need to belive that Zeus isn't ever existing to be a non-beliver in Zeus? No, you don't.


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/atheism

Cambridge dictionary says something other. (try to guess what means 'lack of belief' and if a lack of belief in FSM means you are beliving that FSM isn't existing). Well, I would rather to belive that this guys are right, and you are wrong.
Nontheism or non-theism is a range of both religious[1] and non-religious[2] attitudes characterized by the absence of espoused belief in the existence of god or gods. Nontheism has generally been used to describe apathy or silence towards the subject of God and differs from atheism. Nontheism does not necessarily describe atheism or disbelief in God; it has been used as an umbrella term for summarizing various distinct and even mutually exclusive positions, such as agnosticism, ignosticism, ietsism, skepticism, pantheism, pandeism, transtheism, atheism (strong or positive, implicit or explicit), and apatheism. It is in use in the fields of Christian apologetics and general liberal theology.
 
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Atheists just don't believe or care about God.
That's why they get pissed the fuck off anytime they cross paths with a Christian and go out of their way to smear Christ, even if that needs to give way to lunatic muhamadans or suicidal buddhists to gain game.
 
And as I say above, given two otherwise identical tribes a religious cohesive group who think death in battle is glorious and love their kin as themselves, and practice charity and compassion to each other is wiping the floor with one who are not.
[example needed]

ironically often something that CAN be disproven like trans women, they’re actually men…
It is complicated - have fun to guess sex of someone with AIS. Or to force GenPop to make test for AIS compusolary for each female newborn.

When we don’t get given religions, we make them.
Do you just make a dichotomy that everyone who isn't a beliver is woke, and everyone woke isn't a beliver?

@Betonhaus you noticed that wikipedia is describing what I described, right?
 
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