Why are (((Atheists))) like this?

The truth is the need for food.
No, it's not. The truth is what's true, even if knowing it means you starve to death. If the truth were some kind of Lovecraftian thing that drives you to insanity by the sheer horror of its awful implications, it wouldn't make it one iota less true.

The idea that practical utility ought to be the metric by which "truth" is measured is intellectually bankrupt and leads inevitably to nonsense.
 
No, it's not. The truth is what's true, even if knowing it means you starve to death. If the truth were some kind of Lovecraftian thing that drives you to insanity by the sheer horror of its awful implications, it wouldn't make it one iota less true.

The idea that practical utility ought to be the metric by which "truth" is measured is intellectually bankrupt and leads inevitably to nonsense.
If you kill your mother and harvest her organs yoh can save the lives of several people. That is a truth. Should you abide by that truth?
 
If you kill your mother and harvest her organs yoh can save the lives of several people. That is a truth. Should you abide by that truth?
Truth is descriptive, not proscriptive. Hume, Is-Ought problem, etc.

A factual account of the world does not exist to tell you how to behave in it.
 
Do you just make a dichotomy that everyone who isn't a beliver is woke, and everyone woke isn't a beliver?
No, you made that. I am saying that in the absence of frameworks we create our own. Modern socjus is just that, it has bugger all to do with genuinely helping people, it’s all the worst bits of religion cobbled together in some mutant bastard creation
No, it's not. The truth is what's true, even if knowing it means you starve to death.
I made a crap analogy but everyone needs to eat or they die. That is truth. What we eat differs depending on where we live and our cultural background.
The truth is indeed what’s true. How do we know what’s true? I mean you can go down infinite ‘what if I see red differently’ rabbit holes but we generally agree that red describes a certain wavelength of light as it appears to us. Mathematical proofs are true. Things that are objective and provable are true, regardless of how unpleasant.
Some things we cannot test, and so they are matters of faith. Belief in a god, or an insistence there isn’t one is a belief. It cannot be tested, proven or falsified with current methods and so it is a belief. Some things like consciousness are as well - we have a load of theories but not a single one can be ‘destruction tested’ either and so it’s really a matter of faith what we believe.
 
Truth is descriptive, not proscriptive. Hume, Is-Ought problem, etc.

A factual account of the world does not exist to tell you how to behave in it.
In which case, does it matter what you consider to be a factual account of the world? And if it doesn't, does it matter if someone else's factual account differs from your own if your interactions are the same regardless?
 
Atheism is a belief.
Read it few more times. Try to guess why they make a disticntion between

- not believing in any god or gods;
- or the belief that no god or gods exist.

Until you figure it out I will ignore you barbaric lack of knowledge, k?

That is a truth. Should you abide by that truth?

Truth is descriptive, not proscriptive. Hume, Is-Ought problem, etc.
This gonna be good, a sperging about language logics is always good.
Should you abide by that truth?
This is called 'trolley dilema', not 'truth' and even JHWH is sure that it is nonsense to debate about it.

That's why they get pissed the fuck off anytime they cross paths with a Christian and go out of their way to smear Christ, even if that needs to give way to lunatic muhamadans or suicidal buddhists to gain game.
Worst part is - they sometimes are going to whoreship chinka central planning and communist China.
 
Belief in a god, or an insistence there isn’t one is a belief.
Only in the sense that, say, assuming the null hypothesis is a "belief". Positing the existence of God (effectively the most complex explanation anyone could ever assert to explain anything) can be safely assumed untrue without some really, really damn compelling evidence.

In which case, does it matter what you consider to be a factual account of the world? And if it doesn't, does it matter if someone else's factual account differs from your own if your interactions are the same regardless?
You can take that totally nihilistic approach that nothing matters and therefore objective, measurable truth is irrelevant, but that doesn't advance the conversation.
 
A factual account of the world does not exist to tell you how to behave in it.
I agree.
Positing the existence of God (effectively the most complex explanation anyone could ever assert to explain anything) can be safely assumed untrue without some really, really damn compelling evidence.
That I disagree with. Once shoild not uneccessarily multiply causes but …Mind bendingly complex things exist. I once spent a whole week twelve hours a day looking down a microscope watching frog eggs develop into tadpoles. Think of how complex that is. Now whether that’s a totally materialistic product of a complex process dictated by simple rules or created or the product of initial starting conditions the big man set up I can’t say, but simplicity vs complexity isn’t always in the side of complexity.
 
Do you believe in the concepts of fate, or chance or luck or destiny or probability or hope? If you were in a situation that you desperately wished was better, would you begin to associate personhood and/or intent to that concept?
 
Now whether that’s a totally materialistic product of a complex process dictated by simple rules or created or the product of initial starting conditions the big man set up I can’t say, but simplicity vs complexity isn’t always in the side of complexity.
Ascribing that to God does nothing to reduce its biological/chemical/physical complexity while also adding the complexity of the omnipotent, omniscient God of the universe on top.

There's no explanatory power there. It simplifies nothing and gives us no greater knowledge or insight into underlying principles - it merely gives a false sense of certainty to people who are uncomfortable with the unknown.
 
Read it few more times. Try to guess why they make a disticntion between

- not believing in any god or gods;
- or the belief that no god or gods exist.

Until you figure it out I will ignore you barbaric lack of knowledge, k?




This gonna be good, a sperging about language logics is always good.

This is called 'trolley dilema', not 'truth' and even JHWH is sure that it is nonsense to debate about it.


Worst part is - they sometimes are going to whoreship chinka central planning and communist China.
The only thing I can figure out from your word salad of a post is that you clearly have a poor grasp of the English language, as evidenced by your lack of reading comprehension and the inability to spell simple words.

Let me assure you, there is a distinct difference between a lack of belief in something, and a belief in the lack of something. If that's confusing to you, that's your problem. Maybe try a simpler subject than theology.

For example, my dog lacks the belief in God because he lacks the ability to understand the concept. But my heathen neighbor explicitly believes that God doesn't exist, that's why he thinks it's okay to stick gerbils up his ass and yell about it from his window to random people passing by.

Edit: To simplify it to a level even you would understand, God lives rent free in the heads of atheists. Their faith is based around doing things to spite God. Nontheists do not.
 
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I am saying that in the absence of frameworks we create our own. Modern socjus is just that, it has bugger all to do with genuinely helping people, it’s all the worst bits of religion cobbled together in some mutant bastard creation
This can be described as society needs some rules. It isn't important if the rules are called laws, morality, faith, ideology or (as usually) are mix of all of them in different proportions.

Modern socjus is just that, it has bugger all to do with genuinely helping people, it’s all the worst bits of religion cobbled together in some mutant bastard creation
It is just degenerating when more people are getting engaded in this. Just like all ideologies, ideas or whatever similar.

Let me assure you, there is a distinct difference between a lack of belief in something, and a belief in the lack of something. I
So after few more turns around that you will get why they whey make a distinction. Probably. Try few more times, you should get it.

Ascribing that to God does nothing to reduce its biological/chemical/physical complexity while also adding the complexity of the omnipotent, omniscient God of the universe on top.
It is more complicated. If someone uses god as a umbrella term for nature or for first reason (intelligent entity or not) he is closer to atheism that he thinks.

God in every theology isn't a guy named god, but a entity that can alternate rules of world or act against them in some (for example old pagan faiths) or all fields. JHWH is JHWH in current state of Genesis because he created A&E from dirt (Genesis 2:7) or just by using his words (Genesis 1:26).

If someone is placing god as only an author of presettled rules this isn't JHWH.
 
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Jacob = Jews
Esau/Edom = Christians

subjugate the blood that is the Kingdom of Edom

Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated
-Malachi 1:2-3

Because of the violence against your brother Jacob,
you will be covered with shame;
you will be destroyed forever.
-Obadiah 1:10
There will be no survivors
from Esau.”
-Obadiah 1:18
 
Ascribing that to God does nothing to reduce its biological/chemical/physical complexity while also adding the complexity of the omnipotent, omniscient God of the universe on top.
I think it does - the idea that my kids created the mess in the living room is simpler than the idea that it just appeared, or arranged itself. Can God not simplify as well as add causes?
How did the universe come to be? ‘It just did’ or ‘quantum vacuum fluctuations’ is no more satisfactory than a prime mover. What is consciousness? Something that emerges from a complex system or something else? Or a soul? None of our current theories are any more testable than souls are.
Perhaps we are just limited by human perspective but we seem to have a deep need for knowing what caused things. Physicists don’t understand causality either.
I would also disagree with God being the ‘because God’ end to all wonderment. I don’t think religion gives you all the answers nor does it mean you’re uncomfortable with not knowing stuff. We can never know, we can only believe, and a belief in a God is as testable really as a belief in the fact the universe popped out of some kind of weird vacuum energy fuckery. You can’t test that, you can’t truly conceptualise it, and so it remains a matter really of faith. Only faith in a theory rather than a deity.
It is interesting to talk about this stuff. I don’t get to IRL.
 
I think it does - the idea that my kids created the mess in the living room is simpler than the idea that it just appeared, or arranged itself. Can God not simplify as well as add causes?
Intentionality is the smallest part of the whole puzzle, though. You still have to explain the mechanisms by which all these things happened unless you're positing that wacky God-magic just became the rigid, immutable laws of thermodynamics one day.

How did the universe come to be? ‘It just did’ or ‘quantum vacuum fluctuations’ is no more satisfactory than a prime mover.
But it's an infinitely simpler hypothesis and has exactly the same explanatory/predictive power. And one need not come up with any alternative hypothesis at all to show the enormous problems in "God did it" as an explanation for anything.

I don’t think religion gives you all the answers nor does it mean you’re uncomfortable with not knowing stuff.
You can just look at this very thread to demonstrate how untrue that is. Practically every other post has unilaterally declared "God did it" to the end-all be-all explanation that solves every riddle.
 
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Atheists just don't believe or care about God.
That's why they get pissed the fuck off anytime they cross paths with a Christian and go out of their way to smear Christ, even if that needs to give way to lunatic muhamadans or suicidal buddhists to gain game.

Is Atheism just another form of Luciferianism?

After all, if there is no God, then Man is God.

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