Why are millennials marrying later and fucking less?

[LinuxVoid]

I disagree with people claiming that ((the media)) doesn't want you to have kids. Because, how are ((they)) going to find their supply of white baby blood?
Checkmate atheists

 

[VIVIIXI]

feeling I can live my life how I choose and it's nobody else's goddamn business is enemy propaganda?

Naturally.

Not producing children for other peoples personal molochs is heresy and degeneracy, silly.

 

[PT 522]

Economic costs are a major factor, I don't see why you discredit it off the bat.

Because when people use this argument they tend to way overinflate the issue. I'm not denying that the value of labor is in decline, for example, nor do I deny that children can be expensive (and I think it is a responsible choice not to have kids if you're poor). But, as I said, when people tend to talk about children being expensive they invariably pull something out of their ass like "it costs $500,000 a year to raise kids meanwhile muh federal minimum wage is $7 an hour and can't afford a 2 bedroom apartment anywhere, I hate capitalism." I mainly threw that in there referring to those type of guys. If you understand the basics of economy, then I fully support people making rational financial decisions.

I think getting married today in todays world might not be the best idea, breaks-ups are messy enough as it is.
I don't really see why people wouldn't wan't kids if you are around 25 and have a stable house and income though, but that's just me.

It's strange and paradoxical because divorces are also on a decline. It's couples that live together, but aren't married, that have the highest rates of splits and abuse. Is it because marriage is very often demonized as "doomed to fail"? I agree though, I can't wrap my head around choosing to wait when all the stars have aligned for you. It's a little weird to me.

Having a child is a really big investment into something that ultimately may or may not pay off, with way too many years of work. Buying anti-depressants and sedatives, which cause decreased libido and sex drive, just to go through the day, because everything's expensive and employers require years of experience and a bachelor's degree for poorly-paid jobs. Social media and the Internet making people more socially anxious when having a face-to-face conversation. "Listen and believe" mentality, with men being imprisoned for false rape accusations, while the accusers suffer no consequences for their actions, because it is now possible to retract consent at any point in the future (if Todd Haberkorn's case is any evidence), causing a massive turn-off from dating or having sex.

The world is going crazy, and bringing another living being into it means subjecting it to a cruel torture until its death.

Your chances of having a kid grow up into a disappointment lessens the more kids you have... black_man_tapping_head.jpg

 

[A shitty ass clover]

Considering the people having children are normally those on social welfare programs, I don't think they're that high of a quality.

Those are the ones that fucked up during their teenage years or are overall dumb imo.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Those are the ones that fucked up during their teenage years or are overall dumb imo.

Well they're the majority of children I'm seeing now, and the only other children I see currently seem to be afflicted with laziness (AKA obesity.) Which isn't much better in my honest opinion.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I think the real reason is that it just makes so much more sense to settle down later rather than sooner.

Getting married and having a family doesn't just cost a lot of money, it's also a huge responsibility, and it can be a major source of stress and unhappiness if you rush into it without thinking it through first. I have known a lot of people who had children young, and they weren't better off for it. They invariably waste the best years of their life (youth) being tied down to a situation that they weren't psychologically or financially prepared for, only to then be lumbered with the grandchildren when their kids reach adulthood and decide to follow in their footsteps.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think that if you're a man, there's a lot to be said for waiting until you're 50+ before deciding to settle down and have children. Not many men wait that long, but every one I've known who did ended up being so much better off for it. They have way more disposable income than younger fathers, way more spare time, and a much clearer head and far happier home life thanks to decades of planning ahead. They have no regrets, because they got to spend the first half of their life enjoying themselves and traveling the world with few worries and responsibilities. That's the ideal way to plan your life, in my opinion.

 

[Star Stuff]

Commitment is dicy and I'm expected to trust someone to not ruin my life when I can barely trust the mailman to deliver my fucking packages on time. I'm making barely enough to keep this ship from sinking and I'm more interested in refining myself as a person in the face of my mortality. People expect me to pick the baby or a lover (potential obstacle) over every potential dream I can reach? C'mon. Nobody would pick that. I'd rather do what I want, while I can. The clock isn't ticking backwards.

Also, I just have a really unreasonable repulsive instinct around children. I can barely stand those in my family for over a day. They're basically expensive and inconsiderate larvae. Hard pass.

 

[Eryngium]

It's strange and paradoxical because divorces are also on a decline. It's couples that live together, but aren't married, that have the highest rates of splits and abuse. Is it because marriage is very often demonized as "doomed to fail"?

I would think the lower abuse rate could be caused by the fact they know it will be very difficult to leave so they should try to make less of a hell then it is in bad marriages, with instances that there is abuse in marriage I imagine it's more passive aggressive or beaten wife/husband syndrome, both which are not very likely to come out into the public eye.

For the highest rates of splits that seems a bit obvious, cause it's a lot easier to kick some cheating shank/fuckboi off your porch then go through a bunch of legal shit and lose a bunch of money and time.

 

[God of Nothing]

Pretty sure most of them don't want to lose half their shit in a divorce case or have to deal with real world responsibilities. They want to stay young forever and never have to do anything hard but also want to do something of worth. It's sad and amusing to watch the majority of a generation waste away like this.

The only benefit of this situation is they won't get the opportunity to be awful parents.

 

[PT 522]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think that if you're a man, there's a lot to be said for waiting until you're 50+ before deciding to settle down and have children. Not many men wait that long, but every one I've known who did ended up being so much better off for it. They have way more disposable income than younger fathers, way more spare time, and a much clearer head and far happier home life thanks to decades of planning ahead. They have no regrets, because they got to spend the first half of their life enjoying themselves and traveling the world with few worries and responsibilities. That's the ideal way to plan your life, in my opinion.

But don't you think that women also deserve a chance to plan, travel, enjoy themselves, and waste their money? The thing is biology works against them. Maybe it's not a choice per se, but there's nothing to be done about the entirely biological pressure put on women to have kids before 30. Unless they really want a Downy to look after, in which case child rearing becomes exponentially harder.

Commitment is dicy and I'm expected to trust someone to not ruin my life when I can barely trust the mailman to deliver my fucking packages on time. I'm making barely enough to keep this ship from sinking and I'm more interested in refining myself as a person in the face of my mortality. People expect me to pick the baby or a lover (potential obstacle) over every potential dream I can reach? C'mon. Nobody would pick that. I'd rather do what I want, while I can. The clock isn't ticking backwards.

Also, I just have a really unreasonable repulsive instinct around children. I can barely stand those in my family for over a day.

I can understand that, but I think that you're catastrophizing a little. It's entirely possible to achieve your dreams and have a partner. Some would say that taking that journey with someone else is the reason why marriage exists in the first place. But, of course, it's important to take your time while on a love quest as well.

I would think the lower abuse rate could be caused by the fact they know it will be very difficult to leave so they should try to make less of a hell then it is in bad marriages, with instances that there is abuse in marriage I imagine it's more passive aggressive or beaten wife/husband syndrome, both which are not very likely to come out into the public eye.

For the highest rates of splits that seems a bit obvious, cause it's a lot easier to kick some cheating shank/fuckboi off your porch then go through a bunch of legal shit and lose a bunch of money and time.

I've read somewhere (forgive me if I can't remember where) that the issue is actually backwards, and that couples already "destined" to split move in while couples in a more stable relationship get married, because if you feel the need to move in as a way to "test" your relationship there's already something deeply wrong with it. Food for thot.

 

[God of Nothing]

But don't you think that women also deserve a chance to plan, travel, enjoy themselves, and waste their money? The thing is biology works against them. Maybe it's not a choice per se, but there's nothing to be done about the entirely biological pressure put on women to have kids before 30. Unless they really want a Downy or autist to look after, in which case child rearing becomes exponentially harder.

I can understand that, but I think that you're catastrophizing a little. It's entirely possible to achieve your dreams and have a partner. Some would say that taking that journey with someone else is the reason why marriage exists in the first place. But, of course, it's important to take your time while on a love quest as well.

I've read somewhere (forgive me if I can't remember where) that the issue is actually backwards, and that couples already "destined" to split move in while couples in a more stable relationship get married, because if you feel the need to move in as a way to "test" your relationship there's already something deeply wrong with it. Food for thot.

Anyone who spends their twenties wasting their life traveling and indulging themselves isn't exactly the most well-adjusted or fulfilled person. A trip or two is fine but Jesus is there little point to them beyond escaping your problems back home nowadays.

As for that food for thots, it makes sense that a stable couple would marry considering unstable people and unstable couples view marriage as some sort of death sentence.

 

[Clop]

Anyone who spends their twenties wasting their life traveling and indulging themselves isn't exactly the most well-adjusted or fulfilled person.

Made me thunkful on how about 90% of Tinder thots list "travelling" as their "hobby."

 

[Star Stuff]

But don't you think that women also deserve a chance to plan, travel, enjoy themselves, and waste their money? The thing is biology works against them. Maybe it's not a choice per se, but there's nothing to be done about the entirely biological pressure put on women to have kids before 30. Unless they really want a Downy or autist to look after, in which case child rearing becomes exponentially harder.

I can understand that, but I think that you're catastrophizing a little. It's entirely possible to achieve your dreams and have a partner. Some would say that taking that journey with someone else is the reason why marriage exists in the first place. But, of course, it's important to take your time while on a love quest as well.

I've read somewhere (forgive me if I can't remember where) that the issue is actually backwards, and that couples already "destined" to split move in while couples in a more stable relationship get married, because if you feel the need to move in as a way to "test" your relationship there's already something deeply wrong with it. Food for thot.

I'm completely on board with the idea that finding someone compatible enough that you support each other, if not outright venture together, in those dreams is realistic. The problem is that finding that person is often a lengthy process and a fuckup increases in consequence the more investment you put into that mistake. I'm definitely taking it a bit too cautiously, but only because a faux-pas can have unwanted ramifications. If not financially, then emotionally.

Needless to say, I agree with your last statement most.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I think a lot of it is that modern society just doesn't facilitate taking to other people. Not in person, at least. There's a huge loss of local community. People can live in the same place for 10 years and have no idea who their neighbors are. To actually go out and MEET a woman (or man, if that's what you're into) isn't nearly as easy as it used to be. It's also a lot more dangerous. I don't think trying to buy a girl a drink is sexual harassment, but how do I know SHE doesn't think it is?

Online dating, is MASSIVELY tilted against "average" people, both men and women. It's a crapshoot to even get someone to respond, another crapshoot to get a date, another crapshoot that they'll actual show up, and yet another crapshoot that they won't just "ghost" you for any reason or no reason.

Get married? Get married to who?

 

[Clop]

Online dating, is MASSIVELY tilted against "average" people, both men and women. It's a crapshoot to even get someone to respond, another crapshoot to get a date, another crapshoot that they'll actual show up, and yet another crapshoot that they won't just "ghost" you for any reason or no reason.

Both?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeau..._rate_80_of_guys_as_worselooking_than_medium/
https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d

I don't know where you're getting both being at a disadvantage but I'd love to visit such a utopia.

 

[Draza]

Marriage is a joke.

 

[QI 541]

1. Previous generations ruined the economy. Raising children doesn't make any financial sense for most people.
2. Most millennials are mentally ill and should never be allowed to have children anyways.

 

[Red Hood]

Millenials can't afford to move out of their parents' house in their 30's thanks to student debt. Do you want to bang your wife right down the hall from your boomer parents watching NCIS?

The proliferation of internet porn has some hand (snicker) in it too.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Birth control has gotten extremely advanced now. Most women my age are using those implants and a lot go as far to get a IUD. I know my ex had one. This means people can have more sex without worrying about kids, and the ones that do have them are either extremely unlucky, trash with low impulse control, and people from well off families that can afford to have kids before they turn 30.

Although you may be going "if people can have more risk free sex, then why aren't they having it?" Not many people have the desire to anymore.

I said this before: Why settle down when I look good enough to just scroll onto Tinder for EZ puss? Granted I haven't used Tinder for a year, but honestly I just don't have the desire for sex right now. Like if some decent looking chick wanted to fuck then I would be down, but i'm not chasing anyone at the moment.

A long term relationship is the best way to have a stable amount of sex, and those aren't that common anymore. People cheat, they lie, and by god are a lot of people immature about relationships now including myself. Look at millennial's. Do you think they are stable people that have healthy relationships and sex?

I used to hate kids, but I realized why I did was for a selfish immature reason and now I actually love being around the little shits. I still wouldn't consider having my own anytime soon however. (or ever)

Millenials can't afford to move out of their parents' house in their 30's thanks to student debt. Do you want to bang your wife right down the hall from your boomer parents watching NCIS?

The proliferation of internet porn has some hand (snicker) in it too.

This. A lot of people are still moving out of their parents house at a lot later ages than they used to. I asked some of the Gen X people at my job "how old were you when you moved out?" and most said 18-20. It's taking people now around age 25 or more to move out. You can have sex while your parents are home, but honestly it's shitty sex and its better to have total privacy without worry of being heard/walked in on.

Porn also kills libido if you watch it too much for both men and women. Out of all the bull NoFap spews, I do think they might be on to something about porn.

 

[Bassomatic]

Millenials can't afford to move out of their parents' house in their 30's thanks to student debt. Do you want to bang your wife right down the hall from your boomer parents watching NCIS?

The proliferation of internet porn has some hand (snicker) in it too.

Funny enough you mention that. Back when I was in my teens you had to make due and some parents were cool about "sleep over" SOs, the other night at her dads she made some moves on me... I felt so guilty banging her under pops roof.

Not that it stopped me.

Porn I think is over inflated on it's dangers and damages to society. While I don't think it's often a good thing and quite bad for kids to see esp before losing virginity, I don't think it's evil or some control tool. I am an econ geek and I have studied it on that aspect, because what else do economists do when not wanting to die or laugh at Chris Chan, the economics of it turn me off more than the concept kinks etc, it's really only a hand ful of people 3% or less paying for it all, so the videos are built around their exact draw.

Also the very real risks of STDs does make people a little less likely to fuck, I dunno I got all the doom and gloom sex ed in public school too that put a condom on before you kiss shit and I still whored my way thru college. I would have told younger me not to do that now, to be fair. But sexuality (hopefully) is an adult thing and the last part of us to form, because puberty and chance to have sex often delayed by social standings etc.

When your an adult child sex with a real partner can't have the same grasp draw or appeal. With out getting too Freudian, it's a very scary vulnerable time in ways, and jacking off is as safe as it comes.


Being in the last gen, divorce hit new record amounts, that's part of it, I think personally , children of divorce see it as 3 futures "holy shit I'll never do that" "I can do it better unlike those chuckle fucks" "I will never bond." You can be not too harshly effected, or abused from it and just choose to anyways.

Those who don't heal from the split, and want to out do the parents, often pick an unhealthy partner for a lot of reasons, so they are in trouble/risk of splitting.

Needless to say if bonds are scary to you, you'll be single and those in the first group may live together etc but never legally tie the knot. Personally I don't like the gov being in marriages but well that's the reality, so for many they are married but not, some states have commonlaw not all tho.

Either way I'm rambling, but I think it's still all of the issues, some more than others, in each case of each person/couple.