Why are millennials marrying later and fucking less?

[Otterly]

Lots of reasons. Modern society infantilises people. Kids are stuck indoors in front of screens instead of going out to get shitfaced on cheap booze and dance like it’s 1996. People have ridiculous expectations - they will do a degree in gender studies and instantly become a CEO, while bagging a girl who looks like a starlet but is also in a good job. Disney has told women to expect their Prince. House prices are ridiculous. Reality TV tells people that they can be famous for no effort and that the response to any setback is a dramatic breakup. Education is devalued so that jobs that would have been accessible post school now need degrees, and anything else needs postgraduate. Huge student debt. People living longer with parents. General SJW failure to engage with reality and face the fact that life can be hard and you need to work at it.

Lots of reasons. I don’t think waiting to have kids is necessarily bad - kids are hard work and the people I know who aren’t getting divorced are either those who met in their thirties or those who’ve been an item since school.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Houses getting expensive are also a huge factor. Who wants to raise their kid in some shitty apartment?

Relationships are also very shallow these days. Is your relationship being hard? Fuck compromising! I bet I can find someone else that won't give me ANY bullshit that I deserve!

Oh and everyone is a depressed sack of shit discussing the meaning of life on a website named after a fruit bird.

 

[SnowBall]

I know it is easy to go REEEE MODERN TECHNOLOGY/ANIMU/DISNEY!!!!!! But even before social media became huge this problem has been festering, Unless you live in or near a city meeting new people and finding things to do is hard. Suburbs especially are the worst. Nobody moves in or out and you are stuck with the same group of awful people in your neighborhood. Being in such an isolated environment is unhealthy.

Living on your own in your 20’s is a recent thing. Even my family members still lived with their parents when they were married until they had enough money to move out.

 

[The Estatist]

The decline of patriarchy as practiced in traditional Europe or Japan really.

See, absence of patriarchy means that a minority of males monopolized the women of properly reproductive age. Leaving far less options for less appealing males to reproduce. You can just take at the Black Communities around the world to see how society functions after a millennia of this.

When you combined this with access to porn, you'll see the picture now.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

The decline of patriarchy as practiced in traditional Europe or Japan really.

See, absence of patriarchy means that a minority of males monopolized the women of properly reproductive age. Leaving far less options for less appealing males to reproduce. You can just take at the Black Communities around the world to see how society functions after a millennia of this.

When you combined this with access to porn, you'll see the picture now.

More like the requirements of two incomes to have children...

There was a time when you just needed one.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

I'd argue financial reasons are one of the major reasons people just aren't having kids nowadays.

The vast majority of good jobs have either gone overseas, require decades of experience in a specific field, or are nepotistic as all hell. The remainder are all "service/gig economy" bullshit that pay pittance, and often come bundled with "zero hour contracts". Said jobs also have no options for climbing the career ladder, the higher rungs are all reserved for the already wealthy and their spawn. Your only bet is going into a trade, and you can only have so many plumbers or electricians in an area before you get diminishing returns. The fact that the elites seem content to flood those already-competitive service economy jobs with masses of low-skill migrants doesn't help matters either.

Housing is also a pipe-dream to most working-class people nowadays. Allow me to give an example; back in the late 80's, after Thatcher decided to sell off all the council houses, a family member of mine managed to buy a former council for just over £9,000. Nowadays, in that area, houses almost identical to that one are going for close to £200,000. The place hasn't even been gentrified, it's still a bloody council estate, chavs and all. I don't know about you, but wages haven't gone up nearly as much as that. The only places you're really getting affordable housing are utter shitholes. And I don't think the average person wants to raise a family in a place like Gary, IN or Bradford.

Notice how the only people having kids nowadays are people from backgrounds that are used to living on absolutely fuck all. Third-worlders who are content with not living in a slum, Benefit scroungers that grew up in a family that were also on the dole 24/7, hoodrats that are used to having more bastard children than your average warlord. It's hard for dropping quality of life to affect your birthrates when your quality of life was already at rock-bottom to begin with.

This isn't related to the financial point, but there's also the fact that westerners nowadays are fatter, less mature, and less finanically stable than they were even 20 years ago. Yet their standards have seemingly skyrocketed - every single hambeast or incel thinks they're entitled to the absolute cream of the crop, and they refuse to settle for anything else. People view relationships as much more of a disposable thing nowadays, and when you can hook up with anyone and have casual sex, you don't want to be producing kids that you're gonna either have to raise alone or pay child support for.

 

[Bad Gateway]

Pull your head out of the internet and look around you. Take a night to read things that aren't in a newspaper or found on a pol screenshot. Drive 10 hours from your current location in any direction and spend a weekend in a random city. And when you have found the merest shred of life experience, try and ask this question again.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I'd argue financial reasons are one of the major reasons people just aren't having kids nowadays.

The vast majority of good jobs have either gone overseas, require decades of experience in a specific field, or are nepotistic as all hell. The remainder are all "service/gig economy" bullshit that pay pittance, and often come bundled with "zero hour contracts". Said jobs also have no options for climbing the career ladder, the higher rungs are all reserved for the already wealthy and their spawn. Your only bet is going into a trade, and you can only have so many plumbers or electricians in an area before you get diminishing returns. The fact that the elites seem content to flood those already-competitive service economy jobs with masses of low-skill migrants doesn't help matters either.

Housing is also a pipe-dream to most working-class people nowadays. Allow me to give an example; back in the late 80's, after Thatcher decided to sell off all the council houses, a family member of mine managed to buy a former council for just over £9,000. Nowadays, in that area, houses almost identical to that one are going for close to £200,000. The place hasn't even been gentrified, it's still a bloody council estate, chavs and all. I don't know about you, but wages haven't gone up nearly as much as that. The only places you're really getting affordable housing are utter shitholes. And I don't think the average person wants to raise a family in a place like Gary, IN or Bradford.

Notice how the only people having kids nowadays are people from backgrounds that are used to living on absolutely fuck all. Third-worlders who are content with not living in a slum, Benefit scroungers that grew up in a family that were also on the dole 24/7, hoodrats that are used to having more bastard children than your average warlord. It's hard for dropping quality of life to affect your birthrates when your quality of life was already at rock-bottom to begin with.

This isn't related to the financial point, but there's also the fact that westerners nowadays are fatter, less mature, and less finanically stable than they were even 20 years ago. Yet their standards have seemingly skyrocketed - every single hambeast or incel thinks they're entitled to the absolute cream of the crop, and they refuse to settle for anything else. People view relationships as much more of a disposable thing nowadays, and when you can hook up with anyone and have casual sex, you don't want to be producing kids that you're gonna either have to raise alone or pay child support for.

Third world people are imported for that very reason: They'll put up with a reduced standard of living. A person from Bangladesh probably thinks the quality of life and the pay is ''wonderful''. In Canada it's the same thing. People from India and their 16 family members renting a 800,000 dollar home working shitty jobs to pay the rent and raising their kids in an overcrowded environment. They're usually the ones who say what a ''great country'' Canada is too. While the rest of us haven't seen wages move in years and the quality of life drop off to shit. Rich people are moving into ''gated communities'' though. Which wasn't a thing in Canada ten years ago. Makes you wonder...

 

[PaleTay]

Third world people are imported for that very reason: They'll put up with a reduced standard of living. A person from Bangladesh probably thinks the quality of life and the pay is ''wonderful''. In Canada it's the same thing. People from India and their 16 family members renting a 800,000 dollar home working shitty jobs to pay the rent and raising their kids in an overcrowded environment. They're usually the ones who say what a ''great country'' Canada is too. While the rest of us haven't seen wages move in years and the quality of life drop off to shit. Rich people are moving into ''gated communities'' though. Which wasn't a thing in Canada ten years ago. Makes you wonder...

I live in a gated community in a rich area. Wages moved down significantly before adjusting for inflation, just look at tech jobs in Canada for example.

What gets me about boomers is that they fall for every scam in the book, yet succeed because of seniority. Therefore, every customer service profession becomes used car salesmen with nepotism and inconvenience. This led to the importation of the 3rd world as well, because the only method for growth is quantity of consumers/low-skilled workers.

It's not even a case of "experienced" workers doing a good job for their customers/clients, there's just so many hurdles to enter careers that the mediocre workers cannot be pushed out and people cannot easily switch careers.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Most Millennials are close to middle age. Better hope Gen Z breeds like rabbits...

 

[Pointless Pedant]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

Here you go. /thread.

This also happens to literally every country that isn't dirt poor. Even countries like Russia where no one has heard of PC culture have this, leading to major government fertility drives to reach replacement level.

Pull your head out of the internet and look around you. Take a night to read things that aren't in a newspaper or found on a pol screenshot. Drive 10 hours from your current location in any direction and spend a weekend in a random city. And when you have found the merest shred of life experience, try and ask this question again.

Yes.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

More like the requirements of two incomes to have children...

There was a time when you just needed one.

Doesn't stop SOME demographics...

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

Beginning of human history up to the early 20th century: Everyone was dying young and infant mortality was sky high, so getting started as young as possible and having as many kids as possible was a mathematical necessity

Early 20th century to late 20th century: Holdovers from the bygone days; romanticization of domestic bliss, mothers and children are nearly worshiped as deities, providing for a family is the most noble thing a man can aspire to; things that were once necessary for the survival of humanity are now just cultural norms

Late 20th century to early 21st century: Massive population explosions and near-zero infant mortality have made it so that having children is no longer seen as a noble act in and of itself

Now: Rampant hedonism and narcissism have made having children a reprehensible act to much of society; spending money on a family instead of on yourself is seen as "old-fashioned"

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Huh, I would have thought it would have been Getting Married Later and Fucking More. Every millennial I personally know outside of a few social outcasts seem like their having plenty of sex. Though, I imagine libs don't get much sex these days so I get that.

 

[Ofelia]

Am I the only one who never really crushes on anyone?

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Am I the only one who never really crushes on anyone?

You have to go outside to do that.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Am I the only one who never really crushes on anyone?

You mean like, with your thighs?

 

[Ofelia]

You mean like, with your thighs?

That’s another one.

 

[Troon Destroyer]

It's a combination of high prices, low wages, wide-spread hedonism and Millennials full on commies who think marriage is a relic of bourgeoisie past and straight sex is fascist propaganda.

 

[Poop A Loop]

I'll post a snippet from a review of The Handmaid's Tale that applies moreso to women but has truth in application to a lot of the millennial men I work with whose only excuse is selfishness.

Spoiler

Handmaid’s Tale is meant to reassure every wretched office-worker who goes home to a cat, a VCR, and Pizza-for-one that her life is noble and progressive. Handmaid’s Tale is fun horror-fiction for women who work in the American-style cubicle-world precisely because it’s so utterly unrelated to the miseries and terrors of their own lives. No one wants to force middle-class American women to have babies. In fact, it’s almost impossible for them to contemplate having kids, because they’re terrified that it might set them back in their careers, and their rivals in the adjacent cubicles would grab their parking spaces and health plans. Nobody wants to use their bodies. That’s precisely the horror with which they live: no one wants to mate with them because in their world, every single striver must fear every other, and the sort of joint action involved in mating and rearing one’s young is impossible—laughable, a thing which only those who have abandoned the hope of A Career can contemplate. So in their minds, mating and rearing children moves down in class, becoming a thing for rednecks and (though they’ll never say this part out loud) immigrants-of-color. The desire to have children gets bounced outside oneself, onto these lesser beings, and returns, courtesy of Atwood, in demonized form, as the tyranny of procreation, family values and the Patriarchy. It’s the horror they love to fear.

That's only cultural half of it, though. I didn't have my first kid until 28 even though my wife and I got married at 19 and it was purely because of financial reasons. Just one of our incomes would barely have paid for a one bedroom apartment, so in our early 20's we would have had to keep the kiddo in daycare forever and my wife wouldn't have been able to stay home with him while he's young like she is now. We both tried working when he was born but it sucked balls. We were both tired after work and God forbid the bossman wanted you to stay late because then it was a mad dash to figure out who could pick him up from daycare on time. Your child is now secondary to your career. I get that you have to work to eat, but the lack of help or cultural value placed on families from most employers goes far beyond reasonable expectations of work.

Two-income households becoming the default fucking sucks. I hate it and it's hurting people who want to have kids but can't due to money reasons and it's discouraging people who would think about it otherwise.