Why are trannies hated by the rest of the LGBT community?

[bottomfeeder]

That might be true online, but there's almost no evidence of that in the real world (at least not in my tiny corner of it). There's no tidal wave of trannies trying to take over any of the gay social groups round here, and they'd pretty well get told where to get off if they started with the gender shit

The more liberal your city, the more tranny-centric LGBT groups are. And it's not so much FTMs as MTFs. You don't really see FTMs trying to get meetups that are specifically for gay males shut down the way you do MTFs trying to get gay female groups shut down. Autogyenphiles are obsessed with being included in lesbian organizing.

Thanks for the article. One of the noteworthy topics in there was how positive human interaction is necessary for developing a strong sense of self and empathy. You can't get that from text on a screen, which may explain why online groups don't help alleviate the narcissistic symptoms, only further drive a wedge between the idea of the self and how one interacts IRL. There's a cogntitive change (I should not have to feel shame for my identity), but online interaction is insufficient to stimulate the brain to build rapport.

I absolutely agree. It also doesn't help that so much of the dominant (non-truscum/HBS'er/etc) online trans community rhetoric is based on empty, unconditional validation & feeling like you're the most oppressed instead of actually helpful community building & personal accountability. Really not great for the narcissistic tendencies.

 

[polonium]

The more liberal your city, the more tranny-centric LGBT groups are. And it's not so much FTMs as MTFs. You don't really see FTMs trying to get meetups that are specifically for gay males shut down the way you do MTFs trying to get gay female groups shut down. Autogyenphiles are obsessed with being included in lesbian organizing.

That explains it then. This is a very conservative place. There was a huge thing in a news site comments section about how it's OK to discriminate against homos because reasons.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Seriously I want to know where this came from and why it came about? I'm not an expert and I'd like to hear your TRUE and HONEST thoughts on the topic.

Because they hijacked the gay liberation movement and made it all about them.

 

[AnOminous]

I think one major thing is "tolerating" gays just consists of not actually attacking them or doing stupid shit to them. This is not any imposition at all to normal people. Just treat gay people like you would anyone else. Wow! How easy! I'm so totally okay with that. There's literally nothing to "tolerate" because there's literally nothing wrong with being gay.

Trannies, or at least Internet troons, by comparison, immediately walk up to you and shove a 50 page list of pronouns in your face and then immediately flip the fuck out if you don't jump through hoops to put up with their weird, dumb bullshit.

How about adopt the gay model of just being another person and not a special fucking snowflake?

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

Someone has probably mentioned it already but I think its that the nature of trans activism is very different from the nature of gay rights activism. Trans activism is very personal while gay rights isn't from an outsider's perspective.

Like the main argument of the gay rights movement has often been "You can disagree with me or my lifestyle but that doesn't give you the right to prevent me from living my lifestyle." And that is a hard argument to argue against. How can you as a Christian or other religious person argue that gay people marrying or adopting personally affects your commitment to your faith? There are arguments but they're very hard to hold. If I think being gay is wrong I don't have to do anything about it if my next door neighbor is gay. We just respectfully disagree. I can feel any kind of way and not be affected by their presence

On the other hand alot of trans-activist things I see pushed are very personal. You have to call trans people by their preferred gender and by their new name which is hopefully just the opposite of their former gender. Its a small thing but what you call someone affects how you think about them and some people feel like they're being stripped of the right to think of a transperson in their old terms. That may seem terribly selfish to some but essentially they feel like the right to disagree is being taken from them and its predictable that they'd react harshly in that light.

Then theres the bathroom thing. Sure, if you're super familiar with trans people and are a supporter it all seems ridiculous but I think that attitude only contributes to the conflict. If you don't know shit about trans people you just watched Bruce Jenner grow his hair out, get plastic surgery and fake tits and say hes a woman now. It just looks like hes sick in the head or a pervert and now people like him say they must use the same bathroom as your wife and daughter. Put yourself in a rural church going person from North Carolina's shoes. Does that really seem cool to you? Its gonna take more than some tumblr users screaming at you to change your mind on this too.

Then finally for even the most progressive cisgendered/Hetero people this dating trans people thing seems (and imo is) kind of ridiculous. People criticizing cisgendered people for refusing to date or fuck transwomen or men. I get the other side of this. Transpeople just want to be treated like their desired gender and that includes dating. But to even imply a straight or gay person should be open to dating someone who used to be another gender is a remarkably personal thing to ask someone to do. And I'd imagine LGB people who have been told the better part of their lives to date people they didn't want to date take particular offense to the idea.

TL;DR: My guess is trans activism is a whole new and sometimes contradictory ball game than LGB activism

From your standard cisgendered heterosexual judeo christian background you have to make personal changes because of trans people.

 

[AnOminous]

Its gonna take more than some tumblr users screaming at you to change your mind on this too.

A bunch of tumblrinas shrieking insanely is almost enough to convince me I no longer agree with shit I actually do agree with. These are the least convincing people in the world and are really only capable of generating loathing against themselves and any causes they claim to be supporting.

 

[Jaimas]

Short version: Read Assigned Male and it will become perfectly clear.

Medium version: Transtrenders/Tucutes, plain and simple. The explosion of people who claim to be trans whilst not actually being so has so diluted the pool of legit transpeople out there and been so effective at shouting over them that it's become safer to just say "fuck it" and write them all off as an operational casualty than try to navigate the minefield that is preferred pronouns and similar bullshit.

Long version: Putting it simply, no one has done more damage to the cause of transgendered people's rights than a vocal minority of unpleasant fucks who are insistent on pushing an agenda that goes against all existing logic, reason, and common-sense. It's not legitimate transpeople arguing that there are forty-seven genders and that some fat guy who has made no effort to transition is female - that's coming from the swirling, bottomless morass of special snowflakedom that is Social Justice. Legitimate transgendered individuals are not the ones claiming we need to have elementary school kids put on hormones that will irrevocably fuck up their development - these idiots are. Actual transgendered individuals are not the ones making the argument that people are bigoted for not wanting to fuck them - these dumbasses are. Medically-diagnosed transgendered individuals are not the ones telling us that 99.95% of the human population needs to be treated as sub-human vermin because CIS PEOPLE ARE THE WORST - it's these stupid fucks. The Westboro Baptist Church wishes it could have caused the damage to LGBT advocacy that fucking Social Justice Warriors have.

 

[SomethingWittyandBadass]

Genders are the new hipster. IF you're not trans then you are not woke.

Courtesy of this idiot: https://twitter.com/longerskirts

 

[BurningPewter]

From what I've read on the articles on blogs, most trans people date each other or gay people. They seem to mostly date in a little local group of genderqueer people in whatever city they live in. I get the impression that this is why they all go poly as there aren't enough people to go around for them.

 

[MK Ultra Victim]

i can say as a gay man ive always been put off by their behavior. we get lumped in with them when its a radically different situation and the glb community at large doesn't like that shit because the normies think we're as fucked up as they are

we had to fight and struggle for years to get to the level of acceptance we have now and they don't realize that its gonna take time for them to be accepted too and when people don't automatically go "oh there dear we love and accept you 100% automatically" they freak out like a chimp on pcp and start flinging shit at innocent people and scream foul

 

[randomfarmer]

Trannies are the bat shit crazy, stand out, loud obnoxious rapists we hear about or read about online.
Once a tranny, always a tranny.
Trans men and women are not automatically trannies, they have to choose to be a tranny.
There are some very nice trans people out there, you won't hear about them because they are not a tranny.
The bearded faggots claiming to be a girl, they are not trannies either. Just deluded faggots. Not gay or lesbian or pansexual. They are faggots.

 

[Bosnian Wizard]

I think one major thing is "tolerating" gays just consists of not actually attacking them or doing stupid shit to them. This is not any imposition at all to normal people. Just treat gay people like you would anyone else. Wow! How easy! I'm so totally okay with that. There's literally nothing to "tolerate" because there's literally nothing wrong with being gay.

Trannies, or at least Internet troons, by comparison, immediately walk up to you and shove a 50 page list of pronouns in your face and then immediately flip the fuck out if you don't jump through hoops to put up with their weird, dumb bullshit.

How about adopt the gay model of just being another person and not a special fucking snowflake?

You say its easy to tolerate gay people but it's only within the last decade or two that gay people have actually become 'tolerated'. Before that you'd have people complaining about gay men (and it was always gay men, a lot less hatred for gay women) going into the men's bathroom or changing room and fiddling with their children (an oddly familiar story, right?), or that 'camp' gay men are going to ruin our society through their lack of heterosexual procreation and challenge to 'traditional family values', or that gay people shouldn't be allowed to donate blood because they're all sexual deviants with HIV.

It's only after decades of gay people being public about their sexuality, and facing discrimination for that, that they have finally become accepted as it's become clear to the more conservative elements of society that they aren't going to topple Western civilisation.

Surely the same things going to happen with transexual people. Transexuality has only really become a more public things in the last few years. It will eventually become clear that the majority aren't just using it as an excuse to sneak into the opposite gender bathrooms to perv, or that they aren't 'crazy Tumblr trannies' or whatever, and that they just want to transition to a sexuality they feel closer to.

I honestly think one of the biggest problems with forums like this is that the focus on the more 'crazy' elements of the transgender community pushes people towards basing their views of that entire community on a small minority, or confirms to people who already have more 'conservative' views on these issues that their base assumptions are correct. The parallels between some of the comments on here towards transgender people, and some of the comments we'd see 10+ years ago towards gay people are massive.

i can say as a gay man ive always been put off by their behavior. we get lumped in with them when its a radically different situation and the glb community at large doesn't like that shit because the normies think we're as fucked up as they are

we had to fight and struggle for years to get to the level of acceptance we have now and they don't realize that its gonna take time for them to be accepted too and when people don't automatically go "oh there dear we love and accept you 100% automatically" they freak out like a chimp on pcp and start flinging shit at innocent people and scream foul

No offence, but this seems like a shitty 'fuck you got mine' argument. If you're aware of the discrimination that the gay community faced (and in some respects continue to face) then surely you should sympathise with transexual people, not just tell them to piss off because you've already got your 'equality'.

Trannies are the bat shit crazy, stand out, loud obnoxious rapists we hear about or read about online.
Once a tranny, always a tranny.
Trans men and women are not automatically trannies, they have to choose to be a tranny.
There are some very nice trans people out there, you won't hear about them because they are not a tranny.
The bearded faggots claiming to be a girl, they are not trannies either. Just deluded faggots. Not gay or lesbian or pansexual. They are faggots.

This is eerily similar to those 'not all gay people are faggots' and 'not all black people are niggers' comments.

 

[randomfarmer]

This is eerily similar to those 'not all gay people are faggots' and 'not all black people are niggers' comments.

They are correct views as well.

 

[Jaimas]

This is eerily similar to those 'not all gay people are faggots' and 'not all black people are niggers' comments.

After two years of in-depth analysis since I first joined this website and hammered out the Vade article, I have yet to meet a single transtrender/tucute (I.E. The Sophie Labelle crowd) that is not demonstrably a fucking asshole who gives exactly zero fucks about the causes they claim to champion.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

After two years of in-depth analysis since I first joined this website and hammered out the Vade article, I have yet to meet a single transtrender/tucute (I.E. The Stephie Labelle crowd) that is not demonstrably a fucking asshole who gives exactly zero fucks about the causes they claim to champion.

Well, not all transgender people are transtrenders.

Mostly because transtrenders aren't transgender.

 

[Yaks]

I'm not sure if it's been brought up, but another large portion of hate comes from the T's treatment of the drag community, which has become a staple in much of the gay communities in one way or another. Drag queens have been front and center of the LGBT movement for a very long time (see Stonewall) and suddenly their own personal identities, lifestyles, and jobs are under fire because they offend transexuals by being men/women playing dress up.

 

[AnOminous]

You say its easy to tolerate gay people but it's only within the last decade or two that gay people have actually become 'tolerated'. Before that you'd have people complaining about gay men (and it was always gay men, a lot less hatred for gay women) going into the men's bathroom or changing room and fiddling with their children (an oddly familiar story, right?), or that 'camp' gay men are going to ruin our society through their lack of heterosexual procreation and challenge to 'traditional family values', or that gay people shouldn't be allowed to donate blood because they're all sexual deviants with HIV.

There was a reason I specified Internet troons when I made this comment, and it is that I have never, ever met anyone who acted like these people in reality.

And as gay men and women go, when I started actually meeting them in person, they were just like normal people. Even the so-called "flamboyant" ones. It just confirmed my original belief that there was nothing to "tolerate" about them, because there was nothing wrong with them in the first place.

Tolerance implies something to put up with. Putting up with gay people is not tolerance. It's just not being a dick for no good reason.

The problem is the vastly prominent online Internet troons who literally personify every bad stereotypical trait of trannies.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Acceptance was also achieved by not acting like exceptional individuals. Most of the white bread Midwestern live and let live attitude towards the gay community is pretty recent and it didn't come from drinking at the block party with Steve Bearman in his assless leather chaps, it comes from Grace and Heather down the street who bring brownies to the PTA meetings or their nephew who's studying microbiology at the state university, oh and they're gay. Don't get me wrong, I'm profoundly grateful to the older queer activists who dealt with far more bullshit than I ever will, but being open about your orientation is a far cry from dressing up like the bearded lady and then angrily blogging about oppression when some hapless grocery clerk calls you "sir".

I've never understood that mentality of some gay men and transpeople (I am not saying all of them) that go around complaining about oppression after being shunned by society because they want to wear assless chaps in front of your children or because they openly chastise women for being able to attract the men they want to attract. There are a lot of LGBT people that have been unjustifiably shunned by heteronormative culture, but there's also that odd sect that wants to legally instate the "cotton ceiling" or "gay pride" every day in front of pre-schools.

 

[Chubby_Penguin]

It wasn't until 1993 that the International Lesbian and Gay Association cut ties with NAMBLA. This perception of deviancy didn't exactly come out of nowhere.

Exactly, and it took forever to undo most of the damage (at least in liberal areas). And whenever trans people loudly separate themselves from autogyenphiles and tucutes in general I think more people will slowly accept them or at least tolerate them. Sadly anyone who even tries to say "dysphoria is needed to be trans" nowadays gets shot down and targeted by crazy rat-king types and their followers.

I made a serious effort to be empathetic and understanding about trans issues. It felt incredibly hypocritical not to for the reasons you just said.

I really tried too. I still have some sympathy when it comes to the mental torment some trans people suffer, but I tolerate a hell of a lot less bullshit now and keep an eye on anyone who boasts their trans status. If they unironically quote or share Assigned Male online I instantly write them off because fuck that. Live your life but don't screech when people talk like humans and not SJW clones.

 

[Major Asshole]

I think the thing that will make the difference here is time. The transgender community needs time to mature, find some emotional security, and learn not to take bullshit from either tucutes or transphobes. Likewise, everyone else needs time to educate themselves on the subject of gender dysphoria, and learn to accept trans people (legit ones anyway; who cares about the genderspecials?) for who they are and the identity struggles they go through.

Progress is definitely being made, but there are still major hurdles to overcome. As I briefly touched upon in the previous paragraph, Tumblrinas who care not so much for the people they claim to do, and only want to attach some super-special identity label onto them, have unfortunately pushed things backwards a bit. I don't think the Tumblr activism has been a complete waste of time (it was through that website I first learned of gender dysphoria), but they have also created this stereotype of the bitchy, entitled, easily offended dangerhair who can't handle any opinion that isn't shared by the Huffington Post.

It is important, therefore, that trans people find a way to make their voices heard whilst simultaneously breaking these archetypes. This could be done through any medium: film, television, literature, public appearances, even the Internet. What matters is they get across the idea that they are not a fad, not a bunch of pussies, but people just like you and I.

tl;dr - I accept actual trans people for who they are, given they're nice people of course, but the 2cutes are not helping with their reputation at all.