Why are trannies hated by the rest of the LGBT community?

Because LGB are sexualities and T is a mental illness.
I'm not saying they're evil but they need therapy and not the gender reassignment one.
You don't treat a schizophrenic by forcing the rest of society to pretend that his hallucinations are real, same should be the case with trans people.
Sure, the more hardcore LGB people, the kind who keep STD's alive, are on board with T, but that's a minority, a very vocal one but a minority nevertheless. The sooner everyone will understand that, the sooner we'll stop pandering to crazies and degenerates.
 
Dave Chappelle's skit seems fairly accurate in my experience. LBGs are all orientation-based, while the Ts are more to do with the physical body and surgery is typically involved. When you combine that with the blurring of lines between gender/sex, you end up with a fractured community that now has to argue with itself about what is and isn't a man, then draw up battle lines. Just look at TERFs. A few years ago they would have been linking arms with any other feminist and now they're at the throats of people that once stood at their side. I don't want to be a sour fuck but, it's a delicious irony since their movement has fucked up communities I've been in that had absolutely nothing to do with sex/gender/orientation. Part of me is enjoying the shit show.
 
Because LGB are sexualities and T is a mental illness.
I'm not saying they're evil but they need therapy and not the gender reassignment one.
You don't treat a schizophrenic by forcing the rest of society to pretend that his hallucinations are real, same should be the case with trans people.
Sure, the more hardcore LGB people, the kind who keep STD's alive, are on board with T, but that's a minority, a very vocal one but a minority nevertheless. The sooner everyone will understand that, the sooner we'll stop pandering to crazies and degenerates.

Basically. Also couples with the extreme narcissism of trannies to demand the world treat them in a certain way makes them just even more insufferable. There is no such thing as a ”stable” tranny.
 
In my experience, homosexuals have been encouraging more diverse conceptions of who can be considered masculine/feminine. Just because you are campy and like to pursue stereotypically feminine hobbies etc doesn't make you less of a man. Nor does being gay make you less of a man.

However, a recent trend among the transgender community is that any young boy who shows girly interests is 'probably gender dysphoric' and should embrace their true identity as a trans woman (e.g. that aforementioned 7 year old in Texas). It's a lot more polarized. Same for young tomboyish girls.

It's almost if the two halves of the LGB + T community are aiming for different things: the former wants to diversify the concept of gender, the latter wants to shoehorn it back into two categories.

Honestly though, offline, i don't see much hate. And I don't believe it's fair on those truly facing gender dysphoria to lump them in the same group as lolcows.
 
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It depends on who you mean by the "LGBT community". Regular gays and lesbians don't like them because they end up having "gay transgenders" (aka crossdressing straight people) demanding that the gays and lesbians fuck them. They also don't like the bad publicity that transgenders bring to the community, namely bathroom issues (as very few people like the idea of some 6'7" dude with full body hair being allowed in the woman's bathroom), MtFs dominating women's sports, and children being put on HRT and puberty blockers at incredibly young ages.
One more reason is the fact that trannies tend to see effeminate gay guys as being MtFs that just haven't realized it yet, and they push these guys to troon out and take life-changing surgeries and medications. The same goes for butch lesbians and tomboys being seen as FtMs. And gays/lesbians aren't exactly going to be happy about a group that's essentially encouraging all their gender-nonconforming members to take hormones and mutilate their genitals.

However, if we're talking LGBT activists, they love the troons. They bring in bucketloads of cash, from all sorts of groups. From pharmaceutical companies that benefit from the influx of lifelong customers, to progressive groups trying to get their next fix of the moral high ground. They also provide a lot of issues for these activists to fight for, and activists need issues to fight for, or else they're out of a job. I guarantee that once the troon gravy train runs out, and these mythical "trans rights" are achieved, they'll move onto another group that wants to become part of the LGBT, and considering that early LGB activists took some sizable donations and support from NAMBLA, we can tell what group that'll be...
 

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To put it as bluntly as possible.

Gay and Lesbian are genuine sexual preference movements, the inclusion of bi-sexual basically was a movement to create an umbrella of solidarity for the three different stances on sexual preference.

The dark horse is the transexual movement, it doesn't reflect a sexual preference, so it's always has been different from any other aspect of the movement.
 
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As far as Gays are concerned trans people have the right to be protected from abuse, but they are wary of them for the most part because of the fact that they essentially undermine the gay position. It was explained to me by a gay friend that trans people are viewed as being outsiders because they are essentially in gay men/ gay women trying to pretend to be the other genders, and expecting special treatment that goes beyond the issues that Gay men are interested in. So it's very hard for them to feel solidarity on things like toilets, or them having dating issues, as well as undermining gay rights by making a mockery of genders.

From the lesbian perspective MTF completely have undermined the Lesbian community by trying to invade their exclusive spaces and want to be treated as equals even though by the Lesbian metric it's a heterosexual in a wig no matter how good they pass.
As well as the equal invasion of men into classically feminist spaces, a ideology that has stronger support in the Lesbian community, has led to the creation of terms like TERF's. When it's literally just a woman wanting a female only space, regardless of what someones assumed gender is.

The bi-sexuals are the odd ones out. Another major problem that the alphabet mafia is finding out, is that these trans people and their activist allies have assumed positions of power inside of their advocates and activist groups, so that the silent majority of gays and lesbians are essentially being silenced by bullying tactics. They can't go against their own community for fear of ostracism, and at the same time don't actually believe that trans-people or trans-rights are as big or important of an issue as they are made out to be. At the same time you have the double edged sword in the fact that these activist organisations have won their great battles, like the civil rights did for blacks in the sixties, and now like them it's going to be a case of diminishing returns, because all they know is how to do activism.

Here is a story:

I am at the pediatrician's office in Downtown LA. The doctor shares two bathrooms, M and W, with a few random inocuous offices on the same floor.

My children and I have to use the toilet, so I dutifully get the women's key, setting off to take care of business.

I turn the key and I encounter a particularly strong musk, and I hear a deep splash. I am wondering if this is a human female, or a horse using the stall.

Out comes what appears to be a sassy black female in a bright red, straight haired wig.

She's got the long nails, and a animal print purse.

I am caught off guard. I look at her and say "I dig the hair."

With a hmpf, this tall woman turns her high heels and struts out the door.

Then I mentally regroup and I realize what I had just seen.

I complain to the lesbian employee who is working at the Dr.s office and I told her that I felt very intimidated in the bathroom just now,

She tells me there is nothing we can do about it and she ends the conversation.

Basically what my son and I experienced was a cock in a frock who now, legally, has the right to enter a closed women's bathroom at any time. His intention absolutely was to intimidate.

On top of that he can put on a skirt and demand that I let my guard down.

Why the fuck is he dressed in drag, strutting around a pediatrician's office? If he were sincerely transitioning, he would dress like a woman to blend, and not like a drag-queen, mid-day.

Because those of us who have female bodies, generally don't want to attract male attention, especially when we are trying to get to a doctor's office. We've been hit on, relentlessly all our lives, and we don't want problems ... that is why I was intimidated.

I am not afraid of a trans woman, as an entity. I know that a handful of them are sincere. Literally ... a handful. Some of these women were afraid to go into men's bathrooms because they have passed as women, even before transitioning. That was the fight.

The last thing they are going to do, is strut their shit mid-day, because they have the same fears that women do.
 
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To put it as bluntly as possible.

Gay and Lesbian are genuine sexual preference movements, the inclusion of bi-sexual basically was a movement to create an umbrella of solidarity for the three different stances on sexual preference.

The dark horse is the transexual movement, it doesn't reflect a sexual preference, so it's always has been different from any other aspect of the movement.

I'd say bisexuality is a legit sexual preference, and the idea that there are no real bisexuals, just straights experimenting or gays/lesbians in denial, is quite frankly a load of bullshit. You do have experimenters and people in denial, but there's legit bi people too.

I agree that the transgender movement is a dark horse that is only in the wider LGBT movement for historic reasons. In the early days of the LGBT rights movement, there was no organized trans community, but there were people who had gender dysphoria disorder and a lot of them were prosecuted under the same laws that criminalized homosexuality, as a lot of people in the 1950's and 1960's were convinced that cross-dressing was a sure sign of homosexuality. So, in the aftermath of Stonewall, the LGB decided to let the T in, since they had a common goal in repealing a lot of those laws and the transgender fringe agreed to it since there were a lot less of them than LGB people. Strength in numbers and all that.

The T had honestly won their fight in the early-mid 1970's when homosexuality was either legalized or decriminalized in the majority of states after homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder. But they were quiet and few in number and were allowed to stay.

Then came the Obama years, with same-sex marriage becoming more common in the United States and being gay or bi was no longer stigmatized. The rise of SJW's and the Woke Left as a cultural zeitgeist in the aftermath of Occupy Wall Street led to the rise of transtrenders, as a way for straight people to graft onto the LGBT community and get to claim the status of being "marginalized", and this was especially true of middle-class white kids, who didn't want to be part of the "privileged oppressor" group.

The dam fully burst in 2015 when same-sex marriage was federally legalized and the LGB had finally won their last big battle. However, the activists needed the money to keep rolling in, so they backed the trenders and "non-binary" types
 
Bisexuality exists ... sure. Some people's door swings both ways.

However (just my opinion) when it comes to bisexuals, much of it comes down to being a heterosexual who is willing to engage in same-sex sex practices.

Historically, (broadly speaking, of course) people married young, with a partner of their own mileau. And a portion of them had lovers on the side, same sex and opposite sex. Our cultural history is rife with artistic and literary depictions of precisely that. Folks might be attracted to both, but all things being equal, go with the flow.

And then there are gays and lesbians. Pure 100%. They are, and always have been, people who can't easily change their coat, if the climate changes. Our cultural history is also saturated with such personages and folklore etc.

If all gays were actually bisexual, we wouldn't need to legitimize gayness, because people would just be able to change their coat, even if they are a bit different underneath.

The fight for bisexuals would be to be able to legalize relationships with a partner of their choice, rather then exclusively one of the opposite sex.

But I would say that the B is more of a hanger on, and the G and the L are the core of the movement.

The transsexual aspect of the movement is so polymorphous that it adds a layer of confusion to the central movement.

It is very difficult for a lay person to grasp that a middle-aged, married father of 3, wants to transition int a lesbian woman, via hormones, plastic bewbies and a surgical slit.

We assume that gays and lesbians would somehow "get" that, but why would they?

And from what I have read in this thread, being unified under the banner of "sexuality:: other" is actually bad for the movement, any direction you slice it.
 
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I'd say bisexuality is a legit sexual preference, and the idea that there are no real bisexuals, just straights experimenting or gays/lesbians in denial, is quite frankly a load of bullshit. You do have experimenters and people in denial, but there's legit bi people too.

Sorry if my post came across that way. Of course bi-people exist.

It was more to comment that as bi-sexual's are a truly neutral party in terms of sexual preferences, as opposed to Gay or Lesbians which is a more defined sexual preference.

I also feel without the gay or lesbian movements, there wouldn't have been an actual bi-sexual lobby in as much as since they have neither preference, they aren't truly one or the other and can therefore fit in better. IE it would have been easier to live as a bi-sexual than an openly gay man or woman in the 60's.
 
See, I'm a bisexual (gay leaning) man. I like men. A lot of people on the religious right really, really don't like that. A lot of people on the progressive left really, really like that.

Here lies the problem for ya boi. I don't like trans people. The majority of the gay/bi/lesbian folks like me, who prefer to live their lives as any other man or woman would, just with a partner of the same sex, don't really like trans people and their erasure of ALL OF US. There's a movement to erase 'gay' and 'lesbian' for 'not being inclusive enough', for christ sakes, look in the goddamn mirror.

My question is, where would the LGB minus the T community turn? The Left will suck that troon teat for as long as it gets them votes, and the Right may dislike the troons as much as we do, but they certainly weren't a fan of me having the right to marry a man if I so chose, and I have a feeling that if the tables were turned they'd be shoving me back in the closet the moment I wasn't useful for them anymore.

I guess my question is: is it really feasible for the gay community to drop the T? How would we go about it? How would we consolidate the rights we've been given after ensuring that the troon commune can no longer infringe on them? We have all the rights we realistically need- anti-discrimination laws, the right to marry, job protections, freedom of speech, right to bear arms and vote- but how are we supposed to defend them from two parties who haven't really had much use for us save for our votes?
 
I don't think it's going to happen at this point.

The best you can do is create some type of movement that focuses more on the LGB instead of the T - conservative LGB? I don't know what it'd be called, but leave LGBTQ+ whatever to the mainstream.
 
The only thing I’m sure about is that when more people learn about the Yaniv’s and the Mckinnons of the world and about the transing of children (and therefore the destruction of any future those poor kids might have)... It’s not just the T that are going to get caught in the backlash. It’s going to be the LGB as well.
 
The only thing I’m sure about is that when more people learn about the Yaniv’s and the Mckinnons of the world and about the transing of children (and therefore the destruction of any future those poor kids might have)... It’s not just the T that are going to get caught in the backlash. It’s going to be the LGB as well.

That's another big problem that I wish I'd brought up in the OP. If we don't completely cut out this problem, it's going to set back the LGBT movement by decades. I, an average, everyday guy with a less average sexual preference, am going to be forever associated with a fat bully with man-titties and a tampon fetish, another fat bully who cosplays as a woman to get medals, and two child abusers who are trying their damnedest to ruin their son's life. I don't want that brush on me or my LGB friends. That's a tranny problem, not mine.
 
As a gay faggot myself my opinion on the matter has always been the LGBT movement should have died off a years ago.

I think a lot of normal gays/lesbos left the movement because they got they wanted such as marragie and mainstream tolerance. That left the activist types who's only job it is fight for the LGBT so they needed a new monster so slay so speak that being trans rights. Now we are left with is pretty much a movement that is using the LGBT as a skin suit to gain support.

As for making just an LGB movement. In my area I have seen a few pop up here and their but they never last long. They tend to get the TERF treatment and closing down after Trannies show up and make a big fuss. I think it possible but we just have to stand up to them but I think if we dont this is going to lead to a lot of problem down the line. I would hate to see a lot of mainstream acceptance go down the drain because a bunch of AGPs just want to flaunt a fetish
 
Isn't it redundant to claim to be both bi-sexual and "gay leaning"? All bi-sexuals lean pretty far gay, if you think it through. This is just one reason why labels and identities are stupid.

How about chucking all the letters, and defining yourselves by what you accomplish in life, not who you fuck, like normal people do?
 
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