Why are trannies hated by the rest of the LGBT community?

[The Sauce Boss]

Isn't it redundant to claim to be both bi-sexual and "gay leaning"? All bi-sexuals lean pretty far gay, if you think it through.

Rest of your point is eh, but this one's a bit off. Most bi guys I know are pretty much just straight people that might fuck one dude in their life. Bi women tend to skew gay, but bi men tend to skew straight.

As for the Idpol thing, I get where you're coming from, but a huge problem is that no man is an island. I don't expect you or a straight person to understand what it was like for me to be afraid to talk to people I was attracted to for the majority of my teenage/college years, because I knew if I guessed wrong I'd be soundly rejected at best, or rejected and made the talk of my town at worst. A community is so appealing to people like me because it's a collection of lived experiences.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

Here's my problem with all the fucking alphabet people and I hope this kinda help making up your mind on what to do or at least give you some useful info.

Motherfuckers are incapable of behaving inside the norm, the only thing LGBTSTFU+ idiots have to do to be treated as a normal person is... behave like a fucking normal person, drop the labels, kill the LGBTwhatthefuckever+, BE individuals so the next time some pedo tranny jump into the spotlight no one is gonna point a finger to you as a group, they gonna blame the individual.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. The structural problem is with how activism is conducted in [the current year]: people have an issue they want to get resolved, they create an organization to solve it. But once it get solved, the issue goes away, but the organization doesn't: there's no model for saying "last person out, please turn off the lights." Instead, you've got sponsors, you've got connections, you've got employees, you've got infrastructure, and all those things want to keep going. So the organization either latches onto some new (usually different but on-theme) cause, or starts insisting that their initial resolution of the issue didn't ACKSHULLY count because reasons, or both. Meanwhile, you have the normal people who cared about the resolved issue bleeding off as they go back to their lives, leaving the infrastructure in place to get filled by people who care about this new issue. This is how the ratchet effect works, how we go from "decriminalize sodomy"->"child drag queens" in less than the span of a single human life.

Maybe LGB people didn't get in bed with crazy fetishists and child-castrators, but the LGB movement did, and in a political scenario like this perception is reality. I don't know that there's an "activist" solution to the problem. If political will turns against the Yanivs and Jeanette Jenningses of the world, I don't see a scenario where LGB people don't get fucked due to that association.

Ironically, if/when this happens, run-of-the-mill homos are going to get screwed precisely because of the "activist" apparatus. If we'd taken the W after Obergefell and focused on integration into the mainstream, we wouldn't still be ghettoized in "LGBTQWERTYOMGWTFBBQ politics" and the siege mentality that all these civil rights movements cultivate to keep the cash flowing.

tl;dr: I feel ya, OP, but I think we've passed the point where there's a good way out for us as a group.

 

[I-chi]

It should be narrowed down. It's not FTMs because those folk generally keep fucking quiet and contentedly try to pass.

The fleas on our back are the ugly men in dresses. They're either fetishists empowered by current idpol trends, legitimate mysogynists and off brand incels who get off on bullying actual women, or men who refuse to just bite the bullet and admit they're gay like the rest of us. It's mental illness in every which way you slice, and they're running the asylum.

and because of this utterly retarded solidarity crap, disavowing the chosen people is sociopolitical suicide. The only hope is one of those suicides causing people to step up and shout louder, but nobody wants to prime the gunpowder for the cannon, so to speak.

 

[Kacho]

See, I'm a bisexual (gay leaning) man. I like men. A lot of people on the religious right really, really don't like that. A lot of people on the progressive left really, really like that.

Here lies the problem for ya boi. I don't like trans people. The majority of the gay/bi/lesbian folks like me, who prefer to live their lives as any other man or woman would, just with a partner of the same sex, don't really like trans people and their erasure of ALL OF US. There's a movement to erase 'gay' and 'lesbian' for 'not being inclusive enough', for christ sakes, look in the goddamn mirror.

My question is, where would the LGB minus the T community turn? The Left will suck that troon teat for as long as it gets them votes, and the Right may dislike the troons as much as we do, but they certainly weren't a fan of me having the right to marry a man if I so chose, and I have a feeling that if the tables were turned they'd be shoving me back in the closet the moment I wasn't useful for them anymore.

I guess my question is: is it really feasible for the gay community to drop the T? How would we go about it? How would we consolidate the rights we've been given after ensuring that the troon commune can no longer infringe on them? We have all the rights we realistically need- anti-discrimination laws, the right to marry, job protections, freedom of speech, right to bear arms and vote- but how are we supposed to defend them from two parties who haven't really had much use for us save for our votes?

You're a little late. The T has already subsumed the movement and are well into the process of dropping you.

 

[Non-Expert!]

My opinion as an outsider, is that the best thing that "non-flamboyant" and chill members of the community, should be exactly like that. Chill. Be yourself, but don't set your hair on fire.

And in general, as for any civil rights movement, it is rather off-putting when people use strong and misleading language.

For example "not being able to marry my partner is a human rights violation."

No, it actually isn't, because marriage is not a universal human right. It is more of a civil rights violation.

"Getting dirty looks at redneck steakhouses is a human rights violation."

A human rights violation, is when masked thugs show up at people's door, and disappear them.

Hosting a pride march, in which doms have half-naked collared subs on a leash, only serves to diminish your credibility and breed resentment.

Negotiating with such exaggerated language and making a spectacle lumps LGB and legitimate gender dysphoria, with batshit.

Also, at this point, like other users have said, most of the fight has been won, so there is no reason to flip out. Being calm and chill will naturally distinguish you from the lunatic fringe.

 

[Whatsup bud?]

My opinion as an outsider, is that the best thing that "non-flamboyant" and chill members of the community, should be exactly like that. Chill. Be yourself, but don't set your hair on fire.

And in general, as for any civil rights movement, it is rather off-putting when people use strong and misleading language.

For example "not being able to marry my partner is a human rights violation."

No, it actually isn't, because marriage is not a universal human right. It is more of a civil rights violation.

"Getting dirty looks at redneck steakhouses is a human rights violation."

A human rights violation, is when masked thugs show up at people's door, and disappear them.

Hosting a pride march, in which doms have half-naked collared subs on a leash, only serves to diminish your credibility and breed resentment.

Negotiating with such exaggerated language and making a spectacle lumps LGB and legitimate gender dysphoria, with batshit.

Also, at this point, like other users have said, most of the fight has been won, so there is no reason to flip out. Being calm and chill will naturally distinguish you from the lunatic fringe.

I think the vast majority of lgbs are doing exactly that. Like I can go days witbout even thinking that my sexuality is "abnormal" and that im part of a minority. There is not a single issue in my life related to my sexuality. Isnt that the dream? Why are people still seeing persecution where there isnt any (in the US at least)

 

[Non-Expert!]

I think the vast majority of lgbs are doing exactly that. Like I can go days witbout even thinking that my sexuality is "abnormal" and that im part of a minority. There is not a single issue in my life related to my sexuality. Isnt that the dream? Why are people still seeing persecution where there isnt any (in the US at least)

Yes. But some folks carry on .... across many walks of life ...

You go into a Subway to grab lunch and there are a couple of "normie" girls and an obviously gay man working the counter.

You order the spicy Italian club, the gay guy puts it together. And as you leave, they are snickering about how you just bought a gay sandwich. Teasing the guy.

A lesbian couple goes to Harbor Freight to buy lesbian tools. Not just a wrench and a screwdriver.

I mean it is almost like for some people (the people themselves, actually), if a gay man or a lesbian woman does something or uses an object, it develops something of a talisman effect.

It is good, and mentally sane, that you don't infuse mundane stuff, with sexuality and identity politics.

Because it is absurd.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

That's another big problem that I wish I'd brought up in the OP. If we don't completely cut out this problem, it's going to set back the LGBT movement by decades.

It's already too late. All this troon shit is getting worse and worse and the backlash already has begun & it's growing.

The lgb orgs embraced the cancer that is the t and it's going to kill them. And they deserve it.

 

[Non-Expert!]

It's already too late. All this troon shit is getting worse and worse and the backlash already has begun & it's growing.

The lgb orgs embraced the cancer that is the t and it's going to kill them. And they deserve it.

I don't know if it is "too late."

If folks don't jive with drag queens harassing their mothers and under-aged family members in locker rooms and toilets, they can stop donating to organizations that push for this stuff.

They can also stop showing up at pride marches, especially if they don't want to be seen there.

They can take rainbow flag decor down, and stop clicking on fringe shit ...

At one point, visibility was of essence, but if collectively they become invisible, the troons will not have a lot of support.

 

[Terrorist]

Since when are they "hated"? LGB loves T and constantly sucks its girldick. Nobody with any clout ever disses trannies. Troons are kinda the movement's cause celebre now, after gay marriage came to.

Some of you seem to believe in the mythical moderate silent majority fag who just wants to be left alone and agrees with you about the gender stuff, but xir just doesn't exist. 99% of homos would want you doxxed and fired from your job for misgendering Christine Weston Chandler online.

If any of you queers itt consider yourself that fag then you're not the silent majority but a very, very marginal minority.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

See, I'm a bisexual (gay leaning) man. I like men. A lot of people on the religious right really, really don't like that. A lot of people on the progressive left really, really like that.

Here lies the problem for ya boi. I don't like trans people. The majority of the gay/bi/lesbian folks like me, who prefer to live their lives as any other man or woman would, just with a partner of the same sex, don't really like trans people and their erasure of ALL OF US. There's a movement to erase 'gay' and 'lesbian' for 'not being inclusive enough', for christ sakes, look in the goddamn mirror.

My question is, where would the LGB minus the T community turn? The Left will suck that troon teat for as long as it gets them votes, and the Right may dislike the troons as much as we do, but they certainly weren't a fan of me having the right to marry a man if I so chose, and I have a feeling that if the tables were turned they'd be shoving me back in the closet the moment I wasn't useful for them anymore.

I guess my question is: is it really feasible for the gay community to drop the T? How would we go about it? How would we consolidate the rights we've been given after ensuring that the troon commune can no longer infringe on them? We have all the rights we realistically need- anti-discrimination laws, the right to marry, job protections, freedom of speech, right to bear arms and vote- but how are we supposed to defend them from two parties who haven't really had much use for us save for our votes?

The UK already has had a breakaway movement develop called the LGB alliance. They've already been tarred as transphobic by their fellow gays and lesbians who are essentially indoctrinated, but when you look at their reasons for excluding trans people, I see no fault in the logic, especially the Lesbians in the movement who are fed up of being expected to treat a tranny male as a woman and a fellow "lesbian."

While I take a certain amount of glee from the chickens coming home to roost, I am supportive of Gays, Lesbians and Terfs in their jihad against trannies.

 

[LazloChalos]

The quest to surpass everyone else in uniqueness and continuously attempt to defy definition is particularly annoying. It is reminiscent of teenagers rebelling and attempting to defy the norm by adopting an appearance and behaviour that is contrary, ecclectic, niche or confusing just to stand out qnd define their individuality... only to discover that a thousand other people hand the same idea making it a fashion trend rather than special.

So they up the ante.

Their entire identity revolves around their gender/orientation so they end up being one-dimensional caricatures, which is something the LGB has attempted to minimize.

As I write this and think how the Ts attempt to inject themselves into everything, how has the online porn industry reacted? I remember porn sites had straight and gay sections, then shemale popped up.

How are websites now? Do they have dozens of subcategories for the whatever new term some lonely deranged middle aged creep has created? Or are they lumped together?

I imagine if the last one is the case they'd cannibalize each other:
"I was looking for shemales and I keep getting some asexual lizard thing"
"It's called reptile-presenting you bigot! You freaks should get your own section!"
"There needs to be more crossdressing lesbian-oriented cuntboys! All of you are oppressing me!"

 

[Non-Expert!]

Since when are they "hated"? LGB loves T and constantly sucks its girldick. Nobody with any clout ever disses trannies. Troons are kinda the movement's cause celebre now, after gay marriage came to.

Some of you seem to believe in the mythical moderate silent majority fag who just wants to be left alone and agrees with you about the gender stuff, but xir just doesn't exist. 99% of homos would want you doxxed and fired from your job for misgendering Christine Weston Chandler online.

If any of you queers itt consider yourself that fag then you're not the silent majority but a very, very marginal minority.

Is this even true?

People are individuals.

From what people are saying, on this microscopic corner of the web, is that they are largely over it.

 

[Calooby]

It's a very rough state, because you have people with genuine gender dysphoria who are biologically male, and simply want to look, sound, and be treated like a female, and the other way around, and then you have troons who want to be transgender for the sake of attention and pity points that are absolutely fucking things up for genuine trans people in the eyes of conservatives, religious people, and the majority of society in general.

We want to spread awareness of genuine sufferers of gender dysphoria and paint them in a light that is more easy to sympathize and understand with, but it's really hard considering how the troons and liberals have hijacked the movement and want to insert bullshit non-existent genders John Money came up with while he was alive and force pedophilia and autogynephilia into the mix, creating an undesirable cocktail that the public is forced to drink from.

 

[Dylan]

All this shit is ye olde narcissism, personality disorders and mental illnesses, build more psych wards

 

[Non-Expert!]

In this day and age, the rules have changed. It used to be that concepts like "heretical," "blasphemous," "slovenly," "immoral" and "improper" could send people running in shame. Now, the only words are Xphobic, racist, hypocritical and hoarder, of all things.

There are life experiences that make us women, especially as we compete with men. Men on average are taller, stronger, and faster with physical tasks. Women have to make accomodations to fit in spaces and schedules designed for an average-sized man. Men don't experience physical and emotional discomforts and blessings related to menarche, menstruation, childbirth, menopause and post-menopause. They are also not viewed as liable to get pregnant, or be taken away from work due to caregiving responsibilities. We are treated as women from the cradle to the grave and the accumulation of identity-building experiences makes us who and what we are. Lesbians even more so..

A M2F can not speak as women, or dictate how women should think or react, because they lack the fundamental differences that define us as women.

We really are the second sex: male is default. If you dress a little girl like a boy, she is seen as "tomboyish" but practical. If you dress a boy in a fluffy dress, it is seen as severe emotional abuse and other kids will bully him senseless. Sometimes it is nice, to carve out a space for ourselves, away from what they call "the male gaze" and conforming to male norms.

And it is totally understandable that with all that gays and lesbians deal with, in addition to this crap, they don't appreciate trannies telling them how they are going to run the show, as "a woman now ..."

So they push the transphobic button, maybe it isn't "phobia" or "hate" that drives the desire to exclude.
If radical lesbians don't want gay men in their clubs are they homophobic?

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Basically women get pushed around and covertly mocked by men. If you dress a little girl like a boy, she is sen as "tomboyish" but practical. If you dress a boy in a fluffy dress, it is seen as severe emotional abuse and other kids will bully him senseless. Bottom line: we are seen as second to men. Sometimes it is nice, to carve out a space for ourselves, away from what they call "the male gaze."

Yes, other kids will bully him senseless, because women are weaker and being dressed as a woman implies that you are weak. It's severe emotional abuse to dress a boy in women's clothing.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Yes, other kids will bully him senseless, because women are weaker and being dressed as a woman implies that you are weak. It's severe emotional abuse to dress a boy in women's clothing.

Case in point ..... well stated.

Honestly I am having trouble wrapping my mind around why anybody would castrate and estrogenize themselves, for membership in the "girl club."

Personally I don't see all of this as a "cloak of oppression"- women are going to wimmen.

It is just that a man would literally have to be insane, to feel like his life as the default male, is incomplete. And that he is deluded enough to castrate and carve and sprout tits, and think that somehow life will be better if he raises his dress to sit and piss in the ladies room.

 

[I-chi]

Honestly I am having trouble wrapping my mind around why anybody would castrate and estrogenize themselves, for membership in the "girl club."

It's ten times easier these days to utterly fail as a man, and the threshold for that has only increased as the cost of success has become more and more skewed these days. Disproportionately so, you might say. At one point you were expected to carry on or deal with it. Financial failing, emotional failing, sexual failing ( especially so ). You ever wonder why the most aggressive MTFs can often match behaviors with those of hardened incels when it comes to forcing themselves into womanhood?

If you suddenly found yourself having that convenient exit door that can scare people around you into accepting you and memory hole your failed identity out of 'respect'; the only question to ask is how much self respect you have by that point against taking it.