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Why Arguments Against Abolition Inevitably Fail

For centuries, people have been unwilling to grasp the concept that only by undoing the foundation can we build a new future


This article is part of Abolition for the People, a series brought to you by a partnership between Kaepernick Publishing and LEVEL, a Medium publication for and about the lives of Black and Brown men. The series, which comprises 30 essays and conversations over four weeks, points to the crucial conclusion that policing and prisons are not solutions for the issues and people the state deems social problems — and calls for a future that puts justice and the needs of the community first.

Movements against racist police violence and against entrenched racial injustices in this country’s jails and prisons can claim a history that is almost as old as the institutions themselves. Precisely because opposition and protests calling for reform have played such a central role in shaping structures of policing and punishment, the notion of reform has superseded other paths toward change. Ironically, many efforts to change these repressive structures — to reform them — have instead provided the glue that has guaranteed their continued presence and acceptance.

Both policing and punishment are firmly rooted in racism — attempts to control indigenous, Black, and Latino populations following colonization and slavery as well as Asian populations after the Chinese Exclusion Act and the World War II incarceration of Japanese Americans. Attempting to undo the harm of policing and prisons without attending to these immense embodiments of systemic racism is doomed to failure. The 20th-century militarization of the police has been further intensified by Islamophobia. More generally, the evolution and expansion of the police and the prisons are constant reminders that capitalism has always fundamentally relied on racism to sustain itself.

The insight that racism is essentially systemic and structural rather than individual and attitudinal — one repeatedly asserted by health care advocates and anti-police and anti-prison activists over many decades — finally entered mainstream discourse in 2020 under the pressure of Covid-19 and its disproportionate impact on Black and Brown communities. Its most popular expression in the slogan “Defund the Police” was disseminated during the mass mobilizations protesting the police lynching of George Floyd. For those who recognize the deeply conservative repercussions of equating “reform” with change, the call to defund the police manifested an abolitionist impulse to eschew the usual calls for punishing individual police officers and instituting some form of civilian overview of the department. Instead of habitual and perfunctory calls for “reform,” organizers began to think more deeply about pathways toward more radical change — in other words, change that would begin to respond to some of the root causes of why poor communities, and especially communities of color, are particularly vulnerable to the criminal legal system.

But for others, it had a jarring effect, conjuring up images of chaotic, crime-ridden (Black and Brown) communities, with no force in place to guarantee order. Some people, who live in so-called high crime neighborhoods, where they are preyed upon not only by the police but also by armed individuals and groups from their own communities and for whom the demand to defund the police was their first introduction to abolitionist ideas, were understandably bewildered. How would they survive at the mercy of malevolent groups who hardly care about the trajectory of stray bullets that have taken the lives of children and other bystanders? Their fears are real and not to be dismissed. But this is absolutely the moment to engage in the kind of educational activism that might help to encourage all of us, especially those of us who live in the most vulnerable neighborhoods, to purposefully rethink the meaning of safety and security.

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Angela Davis

This woman is known for supporting Jonestown
 
You list these things off like they're good things


This is like describing 9/11 as some people doing something...

They're the best things.

But well, tbh, I don't see "slavery" for the short time it was, as terrible or any different from everyone else's struggles.
We've all had struggles implanted in us ethnically. Or by biological sex. Men had to go to war, Women were treated as second class citizens. People get past their struggles, their historical struggles and work hard and rebuild. It's the whole point of humanity.

Except for black people. Africa is a complete shithole when they have their own governments in and it's a shithole when they spread out elsewhere. That's not down to struggles, that's just them.
 
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How many of the blacks preaching this shit know it's a hustle, just trying to get whitey to let his guard down so they can start the raping and killing with impunity and how many are really naïve enough to believe this shit?

Just take a look at the places in Africa where there's little to no government, doesn't seem like they're all singing kumbaya together, so why should we expect anything different here?
 
In my opinion, all of you claiming that the left wants to genocide whites or make pedophilia legal are just as retarded as those you're opposing. By making you scream incoherent bullshit like that they are essentially making you look idiots in the face of the masses, and thus making the masses oblivious to any real observations about their true goals.

It should be obvious to any reasonable adult that people(the real actors, not the useful idiots they use as their mouthpieces) calling for abolition of publicly funded police are aiming for the creation of privately funded police - essentially their end goal is a dystopia where megacorporations have their own law-enforcers, which are rented out to clients such as cities and counties, and which are completely unanswerable to cries about "police violence" etc. At the rate things are going, you can be sure that this will increasingly become reality in the USA within the next few decades.
 
idk always though the argument of "what do we do with the child molesters" was enough to break down complete abolition. Even then, what about the higher ups who commit embezzlement and white collar crimes? I can't imagine hardcore supporters of abolition to be for that.
 
In my opinion, all of you claiming that the left wants to genocide whites or make pedophilia legal are just as retarded as those you're opposing. By making you scream incoherent bullshit like that they are essentially making you look idiots in the face of the masses, and thus making the masses oblivious to any real observations about their true goals.

It should be obvious to any reasonable adult that people(the real actors, not the useful idiots they use as their mouthpieces) calling for abolition of publicly funded police are aiming for the creation of privately funded police - essentially their end goal is a dystopia where megacorporations have their own law-enforcers, which are rented out to clients such as cities and counties, and which are completely unanswerable to cries about "police violence" etc. At the rate things are going, you can be sure that this will increasingly become reality in the USA within the next few decades.

You're half wrong, you're half right.

First of all considering how extreme the left has become over the last several years I wouldn't put anything past them, no matter how extreme, just give it time, it may sound like crazy "that could never happen" bullshit now, but look at how far they've already pushed things already, stuff that would have seemed like total lunacy a decade ago, stuff that almost nobody in their right mind would have believed, is now mainstream leftist thought, that's proof enough that they would be advocating for white genocide and pedophilia in another decade's time, if it even took that long.

It wouldn't stop at white genocide either fyi, white people may be their main enemy for now, but in a fundamental sense what the left are is anti-human period, picture something like the Jonestown massacre on a global scale, that's the ultimate, long-term, worst case scenario endgame for the left.

But you are correct that the anti-police hysteria started as an attempt to try to create a private police force ala private prisons, I think though things have gone even further than that by this point, while there are puppet masters there's also a genuine grassroots element to the left that isn't entirely in the elite's control, look at how anti-Semitism is growing among black identitarians.

Just trust me buddy, you ain't seen nothing yet, you seem to want to believe there is still a shred of rationality left to the left wing, there's not, the nuts are running the nuthouse and there's nothing "too extreme" or "too crazy" for them to try to push, it's all literally only a matter of time.
 
In my opinion, all of you claiming that the left wants to genocide whites or make pedophilia legal are just as retarded as those you're opposing.

I sorta agree on the first but Cuties and child trans stuff (Desmond is Amazing) is kind of disproving your opinion on the second. Though really it's more accurate to say that the progressive left has hijacked the left as a whole rather than every lefty supporting that shit. Plenty of left-leaning people don't support shit like Cuties or #killallwhites.

But really, the problem is, every time people go "oh the left isn't going to do that" they up and go there. Reparations, outright socialism, all this "whiteness is a problem" shit, etc. It's a pattern.
 
It wouldn't stop at white genocide either fyi, white people may be their main enemy for now, but in a fundamental sense what the left are is anti-human period, picture something like the Jonestown massacre on a global scale, that's the ultimate, long-term, worst case scenario endgame for the left.

You are seriously saying that the "left" just wants to massacre all of humanity? For real? Yeah, it's no fucking wonder they are winning on all fronts if the right is comprised of idiots like you.
 
Certainly even African tribal societies have their own form of law and order, right? So why's it so hard to grasp the concept "don't commit a crime if you don't want to face the consequences" for blacks in America?

Because african tribal societies have internal rules more in tune with black mentality, and enforced those rules in a way that is more effective with black mentality. In other words they allowed more leeway with what we'd consider to be crime, like they'd allow you to steal neighbor's shit, just because the neighbor will steal it back, or steal someone elses shit anyways. But also dished out harsher punishments if you commited something really bad, like if an outsider from another tribe stole something from your tribe, shit like necklacing (using a tire and gasoline to burn victims head while he is alive). That;s why modern western justice system doens't really work for them


You are seriously saying that the "left" just wants to massacre all of humanity? For real? Yeah, it's no fucking wonder they are winning on all fronts if the right is comprised of idiots like you.

not all, but notice one thing: while people compare nazi and soviet atrocities, they usually forget one small thing- nazis commited atrocities to others, while soviets were really big on torturing and killing their own people. When half a million people perished in the great purge, the first to go were the most zealous communists, longtime party members. And then they moved to just killing people to fullfill the quotas of "enemies" to be found and destroyed. If they can't touch people outside their cuntry, they will search for enemies within
 
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You are seriously saying that the "left" just wants to massacre all of humanity? For real? Yeah, it's no fucking wonder they are winning on all fronts if the right is comprised of idiots like you.

It would be more accurate to say that this is a battle against family units and conservative values—things that are predominate among the Middle Class—who just so happen to be mostly White. What they want is a group of brainless consoomers and workers who will obey their every whim while they sit in their ivory towers and sneer down on us from above.

The Middle Class is largely opposed to this kind of world where everyone is "nigger rich" soyboy cucks dependent on the state, or lifeless worker drones like in China. Why would they do this though? What do they have to gain? It's not about money, it's just basic survival for them and their bloodlines. If you had the money and power to break any and all rivals that could hurt your chances at success why wouldn't you? And so they're doing what any other organism with their amount of power would do—crush opposition.

Since the Middle Class is in their way, and by extension, most of the Whites in the western world, they need to be exterminated. We're what's standing in the way of them and a secure future for their lines. That's what I want to believe anyway. I really, really hope it isn't actually zionists who just hate White people for no particular reason.

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Since the Middle Class is in their way, and by extension, most of the Whites in the western world, they need to be exterminated. We're what's standing in the way of them and a secure future for their lines. That's what I want to believe anyway. I really, really hope it isn't actually zionists who just hate White people for no particular reason.

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Dude, the people you are talking about are predominantly white. I get it, it's fancy living in dreamworld where you can think that just by being white you're some kind of heroic resistance fighter in a battle against eeebils of communist overlords, but the truth is that those communist overlords and their minions are just as white as you are. And all of this bickering between the left and the right is nothing more than internal power struggle of the "white" ethnic group - in essence, it's a struggle for the future and identity of the western civilization. Sadly it seems to be a struggle between morons, and not even a particularly entertaining one.

not all, but notice one thing: while people compare nazi and soviet atrocities, they usually forget one small thing- nazis commited atrocities to others, while soviets were really big on torturing and killing their own people. When half a million people perished in the great purge, the first to go were the most zealous communists, longtime party members. And then they moved to just killing people to fullfill the quotas of "enemies" to be found and destroyed. If they can't touch people outside their cuntry, they will search for enemies within

Comments like this just underscore why I think that your kind of people are ignorant hicks. You demonstrate, right here with these words, a painful lack of historical understanding. Nazis did purge their own ranks of all undesirables(and political rivals) without any fucking mercy, just like the soviets did, and if you claim otherwise you're either ignorant or a liar.
 
Dude, the people you are talking about are predominantly white. I get it, it's fancy living in dreamworld where you can think that just by being white you're some kind of heroic resistance fighter in a battle against eeebils of communist overlords, but the truth is that those communist overlords and their minions are just as white as you are. And all of this bickering between the left and the right is nothing more than internal power struggle of the "white" ethnic group - in essence, it's a struggle for the future and identity of the western civilization. Sadly it seems to be a struggle between morons, and not even a particularly entertaining one.

It's not a dreamworld. I wish it was. Also, they're predominantly White but that doesn't mean that they see us as their kin. We're just commoners the same as anyone. As I said, they aren't targeting us because we're White, they're targeting us because the Middle Class is predominantly White. If you don't think there isn't a real innate push to eliminate the middle class then YOU are living in a dreamland of :optimistic: . Call it entropy or some sort of natural collapse if you want, but there is a group of people with power pushing for the collapse of western civilization as it has traditionally been known. You are a braindead halfwit with shit in their ears ignoring everything that's going on because it doesn't effect you yet.

Now, you can pretend their agenda doesn't involve some form of "white genocide" or "replacement" if you want, but I'm going to go back to dooming because the world is literally shitting itself like a dying old man with Alzheimer's right now.
 
Comments like this just underscore why I think that your kind of people are ignorant hicks. You demonstrate, right here with these words, a painful lack of historical understanding. Nazis did purge their own ranks of all undesirables(and political rivals) without any fucking mercy, just like the soviets did, and if you claim otherwise you're either ignorant or a liar.
I am not talking about party alone, I am talking about regular citizens, depending on estimates between half and one million soviet citizens were killed in the purges. Stalin and politburo set up QUOTAS of people to be liquidated for each administrative unit. Not to mention people who were gulaged under bullshit reasons but survived. Long before they killed any sizable number of nazis, soviets have murdered hundreds of thousands of OWN CITIZENS
also what do you mean by "your kind of people" I am curious
 
Go back and watch commercials on Youtube from the 1990s like I like to do and you'll see how pretty diverse things were even back then.

Once upon a time it was accepted that America was a diverse country and everyone had just moved on, so long as you could act like a fucking human being and obey the law, ie the bare fucking minimum of what society asks of you, chances are you'd be fine.

But that wasn't good enough for extremists like the author of this article and now it's looking like a Turner Diaries style race war might have to be fought to try to preserve civilization and law and order, it didn't have to be this way and it sucks that we're at this point, but don't fool yourself for one moment that policies like "abolishing prisons" are going to lead to anything but the hills running red with white blood, they know what they're doing, they know what their end game is.

Hopefully of course cooler heads will prevail.
somewhere during the late 90s to early 00's there was a change in describing America as a melting pot to being a tossed salad. in the melting pot is about assimilation and the tossed salad is about multiculturalism.

it turns out multiculturalism keeps people divided and apathetic to each other. but leftists wont ever push for assimilation because it takes money away from their idpol ngo/non profits.
 
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