Why China is a failed state?

China is a failed state because they are running it like insects

Authoritarian Government:
  • China is governed by the Communist Party, which maintains strict control over many aspects of life, including politics, media, and the internet. Dissent is often harshly suppressed, and political opposition is not tolerated.
Human Rights Issues:
  • There are widespread reports of human rights abuses, including the suppression of freedom of speech, censorship, and the detention of ethnic minorities such as Uyghurs in Xinjiang. International organizations and countries have criticized China's treatment of minorities and political dissidents.
Censorship and Surveillance:
  • The Chinese government operates a sophisticated system of internet censorship (sometimes called "The Great Firewall"), limiting access to information and controlling the narrative within the country. Surveillance of citizens is also extensive, with facial recognition technology and other tools being used for monitoring.
 
Brightstar777 said:
China is a failed state because they are running it like insects

Authoritarian Government:
  • China is governed by the Communist Party, which maintains strict control over many aspects of life, including politics, media, and the internet. Dissent is often harshly suppressed, and political opposition is not tolerated.
Human Rights Issues:
  • There are widespread reports of human rights abuses, including the suppression of freedom of speech, censorship, and the detention of ethnic minorities such as Uyghurs in Xinjiang. International organizations and countries have criticized China's treatment of minorities and political dissidents.
Censorship and Surveillance:
  • The Chinese government operates a sophisticated system of internet censorship (sometimes called "The Great Firewall"), limiting access to information and controlling the narrative within the country. Surveillance of citizens is also extensive, with facial recognition technology and other tools being used for monitoring.
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All of that sums up to China being a dystopian hellhole and an absolute shit state to be in, but failed? They're not failing, they achieved remarkable stability for a rather oppressive state. As sad as it is, it's not failing or on the verge of being replaced by something else. It's stable and here to stay. Even though it might adopt more liberal policies and reforms in the future, the ruling party will stay in power and its economic growth will continue for quite a bit.
 
Meriasek said:
All of that sums up to China being a dystopian hellhole and an absolute shit state to be in, but failed? They're not failing, they achieved remarkable stability for a rather oppressive state. As sad as it is, it's not failing or on the verge of being replaced by something else. It's stable and here to stay. Even though it might adopt more liberal policies and reforms in the future, the ruling party will stay in power and its economic growth will continue for quite a bit.
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they are a failure
 
They aren't yet but that looming power vacuum once Xi croaks is something to be concerned about.
Man has totally hollowed out the government and got rid of anyone who could disagree with him. They went through this once Mao bit it but they aren't able to fall back on cheap manufacturing to prop up their economy like they could in the 1970's. There was a LOT of political shuffling around before Deng Xiaoping could reestablish order.
 
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Brightstar777 said:
it is going away at some point, don't worry
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I mean, everything will crumble at some point, but China still has quite some many years left in its tank. Their party still has most of its authority and the systems that are in place are effective. By any metric, China isn't failing yet. I wished it would, but it isn't.
Absolutego said:
They aren't yet but that looming power vacuum once Xi croaks is something to be concerned about.
Man has totally hollowed out the government and got rid of anyone who could disagree with him. They went through this once Mao bit it but they aren't able to fall back on cheap manufacturing to prop up their economy like they could in the 1970's. There was a LOT of political shuffling around before Deng Xiaoping could reestablish order.
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That is true, although I disagree that they don't have cheap manufacturing to fall back on. Cheap manufacturing is practically all their economy. They might not have the cheapest manufacturing anymore, but they're basically the backbone of western economies when it comes to building stuff cheaply and without too much poop inside.
Xi does have too much power concentrated on himself, which in some ways helped him achieve stability, but he better make sure that once he's gone there's a capable successor in place to prevent such a power vacuum.
 
Meriasek said:
I mean, everything will crumble at some point, but China still has quite some many years left in its tank. Their party still has most of its authority and the systems that are in place are effective. By any metric, China isn't failing yet. I wished it would, but it isn't.

That is true, although I disagree that they don't have cheap manufacturing to fall back on. Cheap manufacturing is practically all their economy. They might not have the cheapest manufacturing anymore, but they're basically the backbone of western economies when it comes to building stuff cheaply and without too much poop inside.
Xi does have too much power concentrated on himself, which in some ways helped him achieve stability, but he better make sure that once he's gone there's a capable successor in place to prevent such a power vacuum.
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China will die before everyone else, and their party will turn to ashes
 
Meriasek said:
Cheap manufacturing is practically all their economy.
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They still practice a lot of resource extraction and shit out pig steel until the cows come home, but textiles and all the injection-molded chinesium left for Vietnam and the Philippines like a decade ago.
There's a reason they focused so much on tech and cheap construction. If shit goes south the latter is absolutely fucked, because it's utterly reliant on government funding to exist.
 
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Brightstar777 said:
China will die before everyone else, and their party will turn to ashes
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Ok, got any reason why?
Absolutego said:
They still practice a lot of resource extraction and shit out pig steel until the cows come home, but textiles and all the injection-molded chinesium left for Vietnam and the Philippines like a decade ago.
There's a reason they focused so much on tech and cheap construction. If shit goes south the latter is absolutely fucked, because it's utterly reliant on government funding to exist.
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Dunno, I think they're in a pretty stable position by now. They went big into optics and all that stuff, too, very high tech stuff, first and foremost to support their own research infrastructure, but also to serve the global market (where applicable, many high tech industries in the West can't trade with China). They're also the main supplier for photovoltaics, batteries, and wind turbine blades, all of which are also a still growing market.
 
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Meriasek said:
Ok, got any reason why?

Dunno, I think they're in a pretty stable position by now. They went big into optics and all that stuff, too, very high tech stuff, first and foremost to support their own research infrastructure, but also to serve the global market (where applicable, many high tech industries in the West can't trade with China). They're also the main supplier for photovoltaics, batteries, and wind turbine blades, all of which are also a still growing market.
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Their country will collapse on itself once things are set right, they are there to die
 
Brightstar777 said:
Their country will collapse on itself once things are set right, they are there to die
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Yeah ok but why? How do you know this will happen? What makes you think that it will happen soon? Is there any specific development you know of that suggests a collapse sooner rather than later?
 
Meriasek said:
Yeah ok but why? How do you know this will happen? What makes you think that it will happen soon? Is there any specific development you know of that suggests a collapse sooner rather than later?
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learn more history and you will watch it repeat itself
 
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