Why do minorities and women in the US generally vote left wing?

I know most of it's probably just joking around here, but let's see: would you vote for the side that refers to you as someone who just wants their "gimmies", or is just a stupid criminal/terrorist/druggie/leech/harpy, etc? C'mon now. That's just plain fucking common sense.

And it's not just on the right, either. Prime example would be Hilary Clinton's comment about Trump supporters being a lot of "degenerates". Now would she have won if she hadn't said it? I don't know. I DO almost certainly believe it was a major factor in her losing the election. Whether it was true or not, you don't fucking say things like that.


I think the coming of the religious right in the 1980s really hurt the Republican party with women. Now, once again, a lot of people on the left need to stop lumping all Christians in with fundamentalists. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, nor are all Christians a bunch of gay-hating fundies. BUT, the religious right does hold a lot of sway with the GOP, and it has definitely alienated women. I'm not going to vote for a politician that wants to take away not only my right to choose, but also in many cases think that birth control should be restricted as well. (Rick Santorum used to be my senator -- 'nuff said)
Tying yourself to a group that believes men should be in charge is going to turn women away.


About the whole "Party of Lincoln" thing. I read a comment the other day -- I can't remember where, so don't ask me to link to it. But someone basically pointed out that if you have to go all the way back to the 1860s to find an example of your party helping minorities? That's not really a point in your favor.

Speaking of "gimme", that's also not exclusive to the left, or minorities. Plenty of white people are on welfare, and hasn't it been shown that welfare recipients live mostly in red states? And forget welfare.
How much bitching do we hear about tax breaks for the wealthy? Corporate bailouts? If it's greedy for the guy down at the bottom to want to be paid a decent wage, why isn't it just as bad for the guy at the top who's just fucked over an entire industry to ask the government to bail him out?

Finally, the left tends to be the side of the under dog, and traditionally, that's where minorities and women have stood.

Look, I know this place has a lot of Trump fans. But you can't deny the dude has said some pretty hateful things about women and minorities. If someone called ME a criminal, or a terrorist or some shit like that, then good luck getting MY vote.
Then our options become to either stop being pro life compromising our values in the rather vain hope of getting the female and minority vote.
 
Then our options become to either stop being pro life compromising our values
GOP compromised its values when let weirdo Evangelists dictate them. As much as I admire Reagan his presidency ushered in the worst kinds of people to lead the party. Abortion is a lost battle and REEEEing about it will take the party nowhere.
 
GOP compromised its values when let weirdo Evangelists dictate them. As much as I admire Reagan his presidency ushered in the worst kinds of people to lead the party. Abortion is a lost battle and REEEEing about it will take the party nowhere.
Reagan was part of the reason the GOP is where it is today, it went from focusing on social issues and religion to "tax cuts and wasting billions on useless military projects".
 
Then our options become to either stop being pro life compromising our values in the rather vain hope of getting the female and minority vote.
Being pro life isn't hurting getting the minority vote--minorities are socially conservative, as a whole, and I would venture a guess that they're more pro-life as a percentage than white people. You need to stop being racist to get the minority vote (or at least, stop being massively out of touch). I honestly don't even buy that pro-life is a huge issue because a majority of women think abortion is immoral. Republicans are doing great right now--why should you change anything? Women who are pro-choice live places where Republicans are already not getting elected to stuff. It's going to come down to economics if it comes down to anything.
 
It is amusing though. "Republicans need to stop using racist stereotypes", proceeds to vote for party that reinforces racist stereotypes. There comes a point you have to realize stereotypes exist for a reason and you have to fight against them. The Dems preaching for illegal immigration and more welfare programs (on a national level) are not helping with this.
 
It is amusing though. "Republicans need to stop using racist stereotypes", proceeds to vote for party that reinforces racist stereotypes. There comes a point you have to realize stereotypes exist for a reason and you have to fight against them. The Dems preaching for illegal immigration and more welfare programs (on a national level) are not helping with this.
Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. The problem is Republicans have a really bad habit of saying dipshit out of touch things about women and minorities. Democrats say stupid things too but you're probably not gonna hear one say something like how the female body shuts down pregnancy in cases of rape.
 
Reagan was part of the reason the GOP is where it is today, it went from focusing on social issues and religion to "tax cuts and wasting billions on useless military projects".

The Republicans became a party of big business after the 1870s. They abandoned reconstruction to win the presidency in an agreement that involved giving the country Rutherford B. Hayes as its leader.

Both parties had massive progressive factions, the two most famous leaders of those factions both being Roosevelts.

The Democrats were the party of social conservatism, moralism and racism but obviously the Republicans had a tinge of that but it was mostly business. Nixon and JFK had a fight over MLK and JFK prevailed by visiting MLK in prison and giving speeches for him.

Nixon went on employ the Southern Strategy by sweeping up the solid south and all of its now disenfranchised racists. Alot of dems today say they "dogwhistled" about states rights, which is true. However, they make the mistake of assuming that states rights meant racism to everybody back then and that it still does for most today.

After that. it was just a matter of time before progressives fully backed one party. The dems had the legacy of FDR and now JFK. With FDR they were fully in the business of big government and with JFK they were fully in the business of "social justice". Sure the Repubs had engaged in progressivism but MLK is better optics.

The Republicans had no choice but to tap into the reactionaries that were horrified by the radical change. They weren't invented, in fact they just became concentrated in one party.

The dems aren't saying dumb out of touch things everyday in media? Isn't that where most of our political content on this site is coming from?

The Republican party is a populist party. The members decide the policy by electing strong personalities and the parties message varies based on the region. The Republicans picked Trump so they went down the path of protectionism.

The Democrats are a centrally planned party. Bernie was a wildcard but the system was rigged against him. Nobody seriously considered challenging her.

The Republican system is more honest but you get more people saying dumb shit. The Democratic system is good at tard wrangling. However, that system breaks down when the tards take over the asylum.

In most countries, its the more conservative faction that is better at tard wrangling. The Democrats origins as a conservative party and the Republican parties origins as a progressive party have really made your history weird.
 
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Because we're told to... by the left. I could understand it in 1958 but [current year] and all, but I guess nobody's even printed out the memos yet that segregation isn't a thing anymore.
"Our" values. I'm extremely to the right and I'd abort the Hartley hooligans right now for $20.

I wouldn't even need that much money, I'd do it out of mercy.
 
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Aren't most white women Republicans? Man, my grandma thought Nixon was innocent.

Republicans have a racism problem, and if you disagree with that, you're ignoring the reality of the GOP. There's no good reason that 65% of Asian American voted for Clinton otherwise. Except for refugees, they're not on welfare and believe strongly in small business and pulling yourself up. I don't see why Republicans aren't majorly courting them. It's the only way they're still going to have House seats in California in 20 years.
So what are these "racist problems" eh? Is not pandering considered "racist" now? The easiest answer for why 2/3rds of asians vote democrat is simple, they largely live in large cities that...wait for it...vote democrat by a huge margin. You dont see many asians in smaller cities or towns, or areas that are not hard blue. Could it be racism? Perhaps, in some fever dream, but in reality it is probably more related to cultural differences, many asian immigrants prefer to live in urban areas close to work, use public transport, and often stick to majorly asian populated areas. This creates a feedback loop of asians staying in very blue areas and thus being more likely to vote blue themselves. Even then, 1/3 dont vote democrat, its not like ALL asians vote democrat.

A reminder as well that the democrats have openly spoken against people with white skin, while promoting people with black skin simply because they were black (affirmative action). That is, by definition, racism. They also attack and demean people for being of one sexual orientation, while promoting other types. That is, by definition, sexism.

Minorities are mostly socially conservative. But they know that when America was a socially conservative country, being a minority sucked.
So 15 years ago? You do know the republicans were not a minority party for the last 50 years right? Or are you referring to the pre civil rights america, where the "progressive" democrats ruled the south, where they passed jim crow laws and....ooops. What was that about conservatives being bad for minorities again?

Maybe women vote for left wing politicians because we're more altruistic. Sorry for thinking people dying because they can't afford insulin is bad.

Altruistic my ass. The democrats passed obamacare, and royally fucked it up jacking up prices and giving insurance companies a free ticket to run a train on the asses of the self employed and those without insurance already. And democrats did so while trying to take money from people via higher taxes. Goes against the very definition of altruistic.
 
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So what are these "racist problems" eh? Is not pandering considered "racist" now? The easiest answer for why 2/3rds of asians vote democrat is simple, they largely live in large cities that...wait for it...vote democrat by a huge margin. You dont see many asians in smaller cities or towns, or areas that are not hard blue. Could it be racism? Perhaps, in some fever dream, but in reality it is probably more related to cultural differences, many asian immigrants prefer to live in urban areas close to work, use public transport, and often stick to majorly asian populated areas. This creates a feedback loop of asians staying in very blue areas and thus being more likely to vote blue themselves. Even then, 1/3 dont vote democrat, its not like ALL asians vote democrat.

A reminder as well that the democrats have openly spoken against people with white skin, while promoting people with black skin simply because they were black (affirmative action). That is, by definition, racism. They also attack and demean people for being of one sexual orientation, while promoting other types. That is, by definition, sexism.


So 15 years ago? You do know the republicans were not a minority party for the last 50 years right? Or are you referring to the pre civil rights america, where the "progressive" democrats ruled the south, where they passed jim crow laws and....ooops. What was that about conservatives being bad for minorities again?



Altruistic my ass. The democrats passed obamacare, and royally fucked it up jacking up prices and giving insurance companies a free ticket to run a train on the asses of the self employed and those without insurance already. And democrats did so while trying to take money from people via higher taxes. Goes against the very definition of altruistic.
Come on, don't play the definition game. The Democrats weren't progressive in the 50s. Nobody was progressive in the 50s by modern standards. It's about actions, not labels. The Dixiecrats became Republicans (see: Strom Thurmond). Do you actually think Republicans are the party that cares about black people getting a better shot at life? Also, you clearly don't know what sexism means. What you're describing would be 'heterophobia'. Did your parents send you to some shitty charter school or something?
I don't like Obamacare because it's not a left wing policy. It's neoliberal. Obama was a terrible president.
 
Come on, don't play the definition game.
If you don't want to play the definition game, dont come out using it, only to cry when someone else does it to you and blows your arguments out of the water.
The Democrats weren't progressive in the 50s. Nobody was progressive in the 50s by modern standards. It's about actions, not labels. The Dixiecrats became Republicans (see: Strom Thurmond).
The democrats from 2008 are not considered "progressive" by current "progressives" either, your definition of "progressive" is worthless in a historical context. Many of the progressives in the 60s were republicans, they were a major supporter of civil rights, and those people did not all register as (d) on the next ballot. The southern strategy did result in some shifting views, but the democrats didnt all magically become republicans overnight or some dumb shit like that. Many of the democrats that were in power in the south in the 50s were still there in the 70s, as democrats.
Do you actually think Republicans are the party that cares about black people getting a better shot at life?
Republicans think everyone should have the opportunity to do what they want, thats why they are against regulations that give one group an advantage over other groups. They dont care if you are black, latino, white, ece. Everybody should have the opportunity to do what they want, and the outcome will not be equal because not everybody is going to put the same work in, or know the same skills.

Democrats, OTOH, seem obsessed with blacks and Latinos doing better then whites, and want the government to enforce this "equality" upon American institutions. Awfully racist of them.
Also, you clearly don't know what sexism means. What you're describing would be 'heterophobia'. Did your parents send you to some shitty charter school or something?
Sexism is being prejudices against someone based on their sexual orientation. And gender is a synonym for sex, no matter what liberal snoflake professors cry about on tumblr. So democratic senators criticizing people for being straight men is sexism. "Heterophobia" would be fear of people with a straight sexual orientation (and also indication someone is mentally deranged and should be locked up for being fucked in the head), which is ALSO prejudice against someone based on sexual orientation, and thus sexism, you dumb motherfucker.
I don't like Obamacare because it's not a left wing policy. It's neoliberal. Obama was a terrible president.
So, by your definition, democrats today are not left wing, they are neo-liberals, because as you said, "its about actions, not labels". So if they are not left wing politicians, why do you claim women vote for them because they are left wing?
 
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Sexism is being prejudiced against someone for being a man or a woman. It has literally never, ever meant prejudice due to sexual orientation. I don't know how you're this stupid.

Women vote for Democrats because they're the lesser of two evils. The Democrats suck, everyone knows that, Republicans suck more.

Republicans think everyone should have the opportunity to do what they want? What if you want to have an abortion? Guess that's racially equal so it's fine. Guess it's irrelevant that Republicans don't provide everyone with the same opportunity, like the state government of Michigan that took over the Detroit public schools, where a federal judge ruled that students don't have the right to learn how to read.

You didn't answer my charter school question, so I guess it's true and your parents didn't love you enough to send you to a real school (or homeschool you).
 
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