Why do we put so much stock into loli/underaged characters as a direct link to being a pedo?

[Left Ass Cheek]

What if your political opposition deserves it in Minecraft?

I'd coordinate with others who have the same political opponents. Crazy ain't contagious last I checked, so the more people on my side the saner I look, right?

I mean, on my server. In Minecraft.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

You know exactly what I mean. I don't need to explain the concept of lolicon. Stop cherrypicking you faggot

And you know exactly what I mean, there's no need to get agitated. Try to control yourself for 5 minutes.
You call it cherrypicking, I call it predicting the slippery slope.

How do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture. What are the qualities you would use to assess whether or not an image met this definition.
Do anime artists have to draw pube stubble? Leg hair stubble? Do all anime pictures have to have DD boobies? There are absolutely drawings, and now 3D renders that absolutely meet the definitions. How would YOU personally ensure that ONLY those pieces of material were prohibited without allowing for the possibility of other media which might not or does not fit the 2003 PROTECT ACT's definitions from also being prohibited.

You apparently played Nekopara. Why should you not also be found guilty of possessing Chocola and Vanilla's itty bitty kiddy-kitty tiddies. (Chocola is 11 in the first game btw) and with this information, do you think Nekopara should be banned from Steam? Do you think you should have to turn yourself in for possession of underage anime girls?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why do people that want to defend loli fall into the fallacy of "well, if you like violent video games, that makes you violent!?!?" Never mind that somebody requested and drawn a child like figure with exaggerated sexual characteristics explicitly for personal arousal. The argument for violent video games can be countered with wanting to experience a power fantasy or historical setpiece. NOT the same thing by a long shot.

I agree, there's an inherent difference between sex & violence, it's apples and oranges.

But to be fair, it does bug me a bit that you can't kill kids in Fallout and Skyrim, it's immersion breaking to have invincible children running around a genocided region. Maybe some people could argue that's a red flag or something too, so that's the only slight bit of empathy I have.

How do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture.

What age is Trunks here?

 

[lautaro]

Just don't cross the line into pedophilia and you won't have issues. It's not hard. Stop jerking off to kids retard.

Well, you can go to jail for jerking off to a 17.99 years old (someone with whom you could have real sex, legally), not necessarily a child (<11).

Actually, you can go to jail for taking YOURSELF a picture, being 17.99 years old. XD

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

I agree, there's an inherent difference between sex & violence, it's apples and oranges.

But to be fair, it does bug me a bit that you can't kill kids in Fallout and Skyrim, it's immersion breaking to have invincible children running around a genocided region. Maybe some people could argue that's a red flag or something too, so that's the only slight bit of empathy I have.


What age is Trunks here?

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If I recall correctly he is 9 months old during the android saga but we're not talking about babies or toddlercon, which undeniably meets all the definitions we've been talking about.

 

[Left Ass Cheek]

How do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture. What are the qualities you would use to assess whether or not an image met this definition.

Head-to-body ratio is a good metric. Ancillary details like eye size, articles of clothing, and other traits could help in identifying what can be considered loli or not, even if those aren't always as reliable. Art that blurs the lines is probably worthy of deeper scrutiny but I doubt anyone would argue that, for example, the dragon loli isn't a child just because she isn't a minor in the anime's lore or whatever and we don't know if she canonically has fucking leg stubble lmao

 

[Harvey Danger]

9chan

QED

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If I recall correctly he is 9 months old during the android saga but we're not talking about babies or toddlercon, which undeniably meets all the definitions we've been talking about.

I'm just saying that "how do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture" implies it's impossible to differentiate cartoon children from cartoon adults, which isn't true, and I illustrated that with an extreme example.

Yes, there's some ambiguity, but I don't think anybody reasonable is concerned over such characters in grey areas. At least, I'm not. When a character is irrefutably a child that's unacceptable.

A lot of people will muddy the discourse by saying "well Bulma was a minor so if you fap to Bulma you're a pedophile" to lump that in with people who fap to Pan, despite Bulma being virtually indistinguishable from other adult characters whereas Pan is clearly a child.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Head-to-body ratio is a good metric. Ancillary details like eye size, articles of clothing, and other traits could help in identifying what can be considered loli or not, even if those aren't always as reliable.

None of those are good measuring sticks because head to body ratio would also apply to chibified characters, eye size... bruh it's anime, they all have big eyes.

Art that blurs the lines is probably worthy of deeper scrutiny but I doubt anyone would argue that, for example, the dragon loli isn't a child just because she isn't a minor in the anime's lore or whatever and we don't know if she canonically has fucking leg stubble lmao

And the ambiguity is the problem in trying to ban things and leaving it up to a case by case basis. Where one depiction of that character might meet the qualifications another depiction might not, do both depictions get prohibited because of the character? Or does the depiction of the dragon loli with big honking tiddies get a pass even though it's based on a character that doesn't have tiddies.

I'm just saying that "how do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture" implies it's impossible to differentiate cartoon children from cartoon adults, which isn't true, and I illustrated that with an extreme example.

Yes, there's some ambiguity, but I don't think anybody reasonable is concerned over such characters in grey areas. At least, I'm not. When a character is irrefutably a child that's unacceptable.

A lot of people will muddy the discourse by saying "well Bulma was a minor so if you fap to Bulma you're a pedophile" to lump that in with people who fap to Pan, despite Bulma being virtually indistinguishable from other adult characters whereas Pan is clearly a child.

Fair points and I agree with you on this. I don't think indisputable depictions of cartoon minors are okay; but I also struggle with the idea of works of complete fiction being prohibited for all the reasons I've said already. I don't want to live in a world where early episodes of Dragonball could get me arrested because Goku spanks Bulma's pussy because people fap to pictures of Pan, and I'd rather none of the material be prohibited than watch anime slide down the slippery slope.

Lawmakers have proven themselves to be unreasonable and retarded when they let 8 year olds learn about gay buttsex in school. I don't trust them to be reasonable or rational or objective, and I don't want video games, or anime, or comic books or graphic novels to be censored. I'd rather just avoid the things I don't like.

 

[Left Ass Cheek]

None of those are good measuring sticks because head to body ratio would also apply to chibified characters, eye size... bruh it's anime, they all have big eyes.

Obvious difference between the head-to-body ratio of an anime child and a character drawn in a super deformed style

Where one depiction of that character might meet the qualifications another depiction might not, do both depictions get prohibited because of the character? Or does the depiction of the dragon loli with big honking tiddies get a pass even though it's based on a character that doesn't have tiddies.

Yes? What kind of question is this. "Does this depiction of a character with adult proportions and features not count as loli?" Yeah, it doesn't. Especially on account of the head-to-body ratio.

 

[WelperHelper99]

And you know exactly what I mean, there's no need to get agitated. Try to control yourself for 5 minutes.
You call it cherrypicking, I call it predicting the slippery slope.
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How do you define what a minor is in a cartoon picture. What are the qualities you would use to assess whether or not an image met this definition.
Do anime artists have to draw pube stubble? Leg hair stubble? Do all anime pictures have to have DD boobies? There are absolutely drawings, and now 3D renders that absolutely meet the definitions. How would YOU personally ensure that ONLY those pieces of material were prohibited without allowing for the possibility of other media which might not or does not fit the 2003 PROTECT ACT's definitions from also being prohibited.

It's called I know it when I see it, the greatest legal standard of all time.

You apparently played Nekopara. Why should you not also be found guilty of possessing Chocola and Vanilla's itty bitty kiddy-kitty tiddies. (Chocola is 11 in the first game btw) and with this information, do you think Nekopara should be banned from Steam? Do you think you should have to turn yourself in for possession of underage anime girls?

Well for one... I don't. I never downloaded the hentai patch like you would because these games are actual shit I bought for the meme. You think I remember the story much less the characters names?

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

It's called I know it when I see it, the greatest legal standard of all time.

Well for one... I don't. I never downloaded the hentai patch like you would because these games are actual shit I bought for the meme. You think I remember the story much less the characters names?

If you were doing it for the meme you would have pirated it instead of spending real money on it, pervert, and you don't need to download the hentai patch; the game you downloaded already contains all the R18 stuff, you can even unlock it by editing a .txt document in the game files. You possess/ed what was, by your own definitions, child porn.
"But I didn't LOOK AT IT"
Tell it to the judge, perv.

 

[WelperHelper99]

If you were doing it for the meme you would have pirated it instead of spending real money on it, pervert.

It was 10 bucks on steam. Neck yourself. Torrenting is actual shit.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Fair points and I agree with you on this. I don't think indisputable depictions of cartoon minors are okay; but I also struggle with the idea of work of complete fiction being prohibited for all the reasons I've said already. I don't want to live in a world where early episodes of Dragonball could get me arrested because Goku spanks Bulma's pussy because people fap to pictures of Pan, and I'd rather none of the material be prohibited than watch anime slide down the slippery slope.

Context is important. Goku touching Bulma was funny, just like when he's running around with his dick and nuts out; it's not intended to arouse nor titillate, and a jury would perceive this fact.

That's why protections for artistic integrity exist, if it was pornographic there'd be no artistic merit and thus no protection, it would be obscenity rather than art.

The slippery slope is real, but in this case there's no need to worry about it.

I never downloaded the hentai patch like you would because these games are actual shit I bought for the meme.

I thought you did have it uncensored, but just said you skipped through the sex scenes, right?

 

[WelperHelper99]

I thought you did have it uncensored, but just said you skipped through the sex scenes, right

That was Fate. Which I did torrent. Unlike Nekopara, it actually had a story that could carry the entire game. Can't tell you what the story of Nekopara is, it was boring.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

That was Fate. Which I did torrent. Unlike Nekopara, it actually had a story that could carry the entire game. Can't tell you what the story of Nekopara is, it was boring.

Oh, okay, I got it mixed up. Are the Fate characters minors? I'm not being an ass, I really don't know.

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

It was 10 bucks on steam. Neck yourself. Torrenting is actual shit.

 

[Blackhole]

She's not a 12 year old, she's actually a 12,000 year old demon with massive tits and a smug anime face, therefore it's actually ok to masturbate to drawings of this character being raped by niggers every day.

 

[Left Ass Cheek]

Oh, okay, I got it mixed up. Are the Fate characters minors? I'm not being an ass, I really don't know.

There's a loli but she doesn't have a a sex scene in the original game. Genderbent King Arthur is the main character and is like 15 physically iirc because of magic despite being older in the lore, and she does get a sex scene with the late teen protag so it's fucking degenerate but probably legal in Japan

 

[Luke-Warm Tampon Tea]

Oh, okay, I got it mixed up. Are the Fate characters minors? I'm not being an ass, I really don't know.

It has loli-style characters in it. Never played it, but a quick google search reveals some guy on gamefaqs talking about his loli team

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/180151-fate-grand-order/78938557