Why Is It So Hard to Imagine Something Better Than Capitalism?

Save the Loli said:
That's not really true. I recall an article on some poor, depressed Appalachian county (Boone County, Kentucky, at the time had the highest proportion of people on welfare in the country) where a guy the journo interviewed claimed it was easier to be poor decades ago. Minimum wage peaked in the early 70s, which most people didn't make because they had a union. Average wages have been fairly stagnant since 1973, despite an enormous increase in productivity of the average American worker. Despite all the tech and benefits capitalism brings us, somehow cars and especially houses are more expensive than ever. The truly poor are still living in shitty projects/Section 8 junk built 50 years ago, sometimes the same places their parents and grandparents lived. And this isn't just America, this is the entire West.
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The problem is that the USA has some weird ass version of economic policy which is the worst of Socialism and Capitalism.

A good chunk of your paycheck goes to feed leeches. The corporations themselves make regulations that make competition virtually impossible unless you are as rich as they are to get past them. The corporations also use the high cost of employment as a reason to export jobs outside. Unions themselves are useless and only exist to promote Socialism even if it logically goes against the workers.

It's not corporations fucking you in the ass, it's the government joining in for the gangbang. The reason why no one talks about this publicly is that you look like a bad guy when you argue that Shaqueena and her 10 children deserve to starve to death rather than you paying half your wage so they grow up to stab you.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
The problem is that the USA has some weird ass version of economic policy which is the worst of Socialism and Capitalism.
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Everybody on Earth has the same economy, it's called a 'mixed economy' and is cope, just like the phrase 'I'm only a little bit pregnant.' There is no private property, there's just people who pay rent called 'property tax' for things they supposedly own.

It's just Socialism, but management is leased out by the collective (pronounced as government) to whoever meets the minimum rents to the collective.
 
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A better way was already imagined. It's called Distributism. "The problem with Capitalism is that there are not enough Capitalists."

As always. The implementation and perpetration of such ideas are difficult.
 
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Everybody on Earth has the same economy, it's called a 'mixed economy' and is cope, just like the phrase 'I'm only a little bit pregnant.' There is no private property, there's just people who pay rent called 'property tax' for things they supposedly own.

It's just Socialism, but management is leased out by the collective (pronounced as government) to whoever meets the minimum rents to the collective.
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You pay taxes on buying shit so you can pay taxes to own them and pay taxes to maintain them. And those taxes go to make useless parts of society continue not to pay taxes and vote to take more taxes.

CAPITALISM
 
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Wodanaz said:
imagining is one thing, implementing is another. just look at history for more than five seconds and without a homosexual lens.

without capitalism, homosexuals wouldn't be free to start imagining things in the first place. they would be eating bugs in the dirt, or enslaved, or dead. like in a third world country without capitalism. to accomplish things, you need capital. it's basically required. If you try to split this up equally, you will come up with something that probably isn't as fair as what you had originally. example: let millions of migrants into your nice capitalist country because you assume you can afford it. reality: you just steal money (from your socialist programs of social security!) to pay for these new people you feel should be given a better life. But again, this was only possible because of capitalism in the first place. the boomers engaging in capitalism, paying into the system, creating massive wealth by contributing to fractional reserve lending 401ks, etc.

there are some things about the current system I find unacceptable, such as gigantic corporations and other homosexuals enabled to use their massive capital by literally just paying political parties for favors or preferential treatment, like large companies in china such as tencent. this is obviously bad and nobody in their right mind would support it. but the economic system is not the problem, it's what these companies are doing with their capital that is horrific - AIPAC paying politicians to push for bills like HR 6090 that would make antisemitic remarks like "the jews killed jesus" illegal. just horrific.
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That's Capitalism working as intended lmao the cope is real
 
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Miquella said:
That's Capitalism working as intended lmao the cope is real
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>system setup for white people by white people hundreds of years ago
>things change over time
>lmao working as intended!
I've never found this line of argument particularly convincing. American democracy differs radically from various other democracies, you can't just paint them all with the same brush and go llmao bottom text. Well you could, but I would suggest you do so outside of deep thoughts, or articulate exactly what you mean by your statement.
 
Capitalism (at least what we teach it as being) is really just a reflection of supply and demand I.E. scarcity. A world without capitalism and some sort of market would be a world where scarcity of any kind also didn't exist.
It is like asking someone to conceptualize a universe without liquids. It is part of the reason communists are often obsessed with the concepts of a post-scarcity society, and the laws of reality only being an illusion.
 
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Miquella said:
Reactionary retard you're not even white opinion discarded, don't need more 4chan white supremacists giving their retarded takes on anything really, don't bother replying so cringe for your life
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No need to repeat yourself, you already issued a blanket dismissal of everything I said in my first post with "lmao working as intended", so if you want to throw the "reactionary" stone, you might want to check what your own house is made of first. You didn't exactly lead me to believe that you were open to a long and detailed discussion, don't act like you are now.
Also it was made by white people. I am not wrong, and any additional kvetching on your part about white supremacy is completely on you.
 
Wodanaz said:
No need to repeat yourself, you already issued a blanket dismissal of everything I said in my first post with "lmao working as intended", so if you want to throw the "reactionary" stone, you might want to check what your own house is made of first. You didn't exactly lead me to believe that you were open to a long and detailed discussion, don't act like you are now.
Also it was made by white people. I am not wrong, and any additional kvetching on your part about white supremacy is completely on you.
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Cope and sneed
 
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The system we have currently is not 100% capitalism either. A good chunk of the PBI of most nations is government money.

Also capitalism is a new thing. Before that there were other systems like mercantilism feudalism etc. The main difference with capitalism, is that it's all about productivity gains, the previous systems were zero sum. That's why you see increments in living standards under it. You still have the same resources but you can produce more.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
The problem is that the USA has some weird ass version of economic policy which is the worst of Socialism and Capitalism.

A good chunk of your paycheck goes to feed leeches. The corporations themselves make regulations that make competition virtually impossible unless you are as rich as they are to get past them. The corporations also use the high cost of employment as a reason to export jobs outside. Unions themselves are useless and only exist to promote Socialism even if it logically goes against the workers.

It's not corporations fucking you in the ass, it's the government joining in for the gangbang. The reason why no one talks about this publicly is that you look like a bad guy when you argue that Shaqueena and her 10 children deserve to starve to death rather than you paying half your wage so they grow up to stab you.
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And that's the end result of capitalism, because capitalism will always lead to that. Even welfare. Capitalism loves welfare since welfare--preferably not that from their own pockets--because that's free money for people to consoom.

Here's a case study of why capitalism will always destroy itself--medieval Iceland. Some libertarians like David Friedman claim that medieval Iceland was a libertarian capitalist paradise because everything was based on contracts and other than that you could do whatever you pleased. And this is true. As long as you paid what you owed to the church and the local chief you were required to affiliate with (which wasn't much), everything was good. If you were a successful good farmer or fisherman, you could even buy out the local chief and get his title. You could also buy yourself church titles, invest in the church so they'd be paying you the right to use your land, and even buy yourself or your kids the rank of parish priest and even bishop and you didn't have to follow church law either since you could be married and have a bunch of concubines and still get ordained. People freely bartered amongst each other or visiting merchants from Scandinavia and Britain, became merchants and went overseas, and conducted all sorts of economic activity with minimal government interference.

Problem was there were only so many chiefly titles to go around (they weren't tied to a given piece of land, but the law capped the number at a few dozen) and some people had better land. Once the Viking Age ended and you couldn't just go to Greenland (sorry, already settled!) or go pillage some place, there was no release valve for the population. Those people with better land or who could invest in trade with Norway (which was at its height in this period) could buy up as many chiefly titles as they wanted. Six families owned almost all the chiefly titles, so fought amongst each other for the rest. This was no good, so some clans decided to get the help of the Norwegian king, who theoretically ruled Iceland but had no power. They got the archbishop in Norway to deal with all the fake priests and start appointing actual bishops and enforcing church law. They sent their sons to serve in the Norwegian king's personal guard and get government favors i.e. divert more trade to themselves.

And eventually, they invited the king's armies in and forced the Icelanders to vote themselves vassals of the Norwegian king (they had a parliament, but its power was limited to whatever the local clan chief decided to enforce). When this finally happened, the winning clan chief took about half the chiefly titles for himself. Other chiefs either gave their titles to him, or they gave their chiefly titles to the Norwegian king. The Norwegian king slowly but surely incorporated Iceland into his realm and started appointing his own bureaucrats. No more was Iceland a libertarian paradise.

There's some pretty clear analogies here. Capitalists build major corporations under a government which doesn't intervene in the economy, but eventually there's no more room to legally expand so they start begging the government to help them. The government does and starts passing regulation and helping corporate figures get into politics. Eventually the government appoints some corporations as winners. And there's really nothing you can do to stop or reverse this process without either imploding the entire government (lol) or getting the government to adopt another economic system.
 
Save the Loli said:
And that's the end result of capitalism, because capitalism will always lead to that. Even welfare. Capitalism loves welfare since welfare--preferably not that from their own pockets--because that's free money for people to consoom.
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It ties back to the issue of the term Capitalism being made by commies as a way to bring down the economy. What you describe is a laissez-faire capitalism (what commies actually refer to) that is lolcow territory in how stupid it is.

What we have in practice in the west is Schrödinger's Economy where the government supposedly claims not to meddle in economy while engaging in clear favourism of corporations. Plus in the last two decades the corporations themselves are way more political to the left, which only made things worse in terms of quality.
 
This is a layered, complex, and more often than not, covertly manipulative question.

When leftoids ask it, they're trying to put the onus on non-leftoids to criticize one's self or defend yourself while they do nothing but poke and whine.

When someone who isn't trolling asks this they're generally confused on what capitalism is and is not, versus having market freedom, versus personal freedoms, personal vs private property in the first place, enterprise, etc.

Are they talking about private investment and finance? Are they talking about the use of currency for any purpose? Are they talking about command or mixed economies, which don't necessarily have any trouble with the trade of equities or commodities? Are they trying to comment or brainstorm about ownership, shared or otherwise, of enterprises?
 
The real reason is because, whenever anybody tries to implement a different system, capitalists can then sell merch of that system's symbols.
 
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