Why is looking for a job so miserable? - Who do we blame? Recruiters, lazy HR, millenials, boomers, zoomers?

[Hyro]

If you live in the west you're essentially competing against the entire planet. For shitty jobs particularly companies like visa thirdies since they can't make too much of a fuss or they'll lose their visa so they can abuse the shit out of them in ways they couldn't with actual nationals. They also generally don't want to bother with training, so they'll hire already trained thirdies who come from countries where companies have to train people due to not being able to rely on migrant labour. To the majority of internationalist businesses locals serve next to no purpose in their grand scheme.

 

[Meat Target]

Nursing is terrible and should actively be avoided.

Terrible salary. Terrible work hours. Treated like shit by employers and customers.

And terrible coworkers.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Here's my job hunting tips for people that need a job to just pay the bills until they can find a job they actually want. This is my first hand experience, I worked this out myself and it actually worked.

If you keep getting rejected for being overqualified you need to have 2 versions of your resume/CV. The real one that will get you a job that pays well and you want to do and a dumb one that only needs you to look competent but unambitious. If your previous work was office based strip out as much specialist industry stuff and qualifications as you can and liberally use the words administrator/administration. Bonus points if you can just add Administrator on the end of any previous roles. Basically Administrator means "I know how to work in an office and do office stuff" and you should be able to do that anyway. Its a pay grade above stuff like data entry, customer service. Still shit kinda but you need to pay the bills right?

Once I did this, the interviews started coming in but remember those interviews got from your "Dumb" Resume/CV you have to play them as competent and unambitious. Example "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?", "I think I can become manager through hard work and dedication to the company" Bullshit like that.

Temp agencies.

Yes, they do need "Box lifters" But they also have a need for office workers and retail positions (retail is fine as you know you'll be there for a short time, otherwise it's fucking shit). Tell them up front you won't do call center work, "I did it once and it's not an environment that's suitable for me", the agency knows they are shit and now they know, you know.

So, all you have to do to get ahead of the game with agency work is be reliable, competent and available. That's a fucking low bar that most of the people they employ can't actually meet. Reject no job (You took call centers off the table already), be ready to do a job at any time because they will call you at any time to step in to cover someone that's unreliable that agreed to do a job and then bailed on them. That agency rep gets paid on the placements they get and they need reliable people that don't fuck up and then they have to do damage control so they can get their bonuses.
It won't take long for you to get better placements with better pay by just being someone that they can rely on to turn up and do the job. Kissing ass and building a rapport with your agency rep helps speed this up.

I hope this is helpful to some kiwi bros, I know it's not a one size fits all solution.

 

[Butterschmalz]

A job is a job because it involves doing things you'd rather not do. That's why they have to pay you.

Yeah. Also a job is supposed to give you an income but not fuck you up too hard. Its a looooong time till you are 65 better be sure you still got some health and motivation left when you retire. Otherwise why work till 65?

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

I’ve conducted hundreds of interviews and hired dozens of people. The answer is networking. Not connecting to me on LinkedIn and say “giv job plz” (that actually has happened more than once), I mean actual networking. If your college had some kind of student organization for your major (they almost always do), then be an active participant to where some in the industry know who you are.

Or just identify as one of the DEI categories. Nobody is going to demand you suck cock to prove you’re gay; I’ve seen lots of mostly girls who identify as queer or bisexual and you go to their Faceberg, Instagram, and TikTok and never see them near another girl. HR says that it’s not up to us if their claims are false so they get away with it. Disability is another one that you can basically get by with and not have to prove anything. Considering how most of KF is on the spectrum it’s probably not a stretch.

If you don’t check any of the DEI boxes, your ass is moved to the back of the line if it’s a medium or large company. Every one of them has DEI plans and if they fall short of their ESG commitments, then they risk losing access to banks who prioritize those metrics, which are just about all of them these days. Few hiring managers are going to put their asses on the line for entry level jobs so the only way they’re going to go to bat for you is if they know you beyond a LinkedIn connection. Hence, networking.

Honestly working for globohomo is a drag. It’s a game of Jenga for most of these companies and there are few logs left to move out and up. So many of them will collapse and consolidate. The best companies to work for are small, agile, and have people who know their shit. That way they can be brought on as consultants once all the DEI hires fuck everything up.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

How do you get past the "what is your gender" questions in resumes? Does answering honestly matter? Should I lie about being LGBTQ? Refuse to respond?

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

How do you get past the "what is your gender" questions in resumes? Does answering honestly matter? Should I lie about being LGBTQ? Refuse to respond?

If the company is sufficiently woke, they usually have some combination of other, non-binary, or prefer not to say, along with male and female. Those other options flag you as a diversity candidate. I don’t see any issue in lying about being LGBTQ+, they’re not going to force you to suck a cock to prove you’re a fag. Besides, white people are already cottoning to this already. They know that a DIE-endorsed candidate is more likely to be hired, be promoted, be handled with kid gloves, and withstand layoffs. It’s the real reason why a quarter of zoomers claim to be LGBTQ, they know that it carries woke points in a world that actively hates white people.

Employers don’t care to verify anyway because all that matters is they meet an ESG score that they can show off to the kikes at BlackRock when it’s time to court investors or get a loan. It’s s stupid system but we live in Clown World.

 

[Shiversblood]

Looking for a job was a very miserable experience for me. Literally no matter what I did no one would hire me. On very rare occasion I would get a interview with the job but then the person giving me the interview would seem like they already hated me as soon as the interview started. Even for jobs I probably might have been able to do I just wasn’t hired because I couldn’t speak properly to the person giving me the interview. I’m still unemployed to this day.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I don't wanna rant, but don't go down the code monkey path.

What will end up, you will spend most of your time locked in an office with three managers yelling at you about deadlines, while business types will be patted on the back for going on "business trips" 3 times a month. Our business person spent 3 hours on that last powerpoint, so you better be productive during the meeting today!

 

[Catler]

I don't wanna rant, but don't go down the code monkey path.

Don't go down the software path at all unless you like having to memorize dozens of answers to complex algo questions, enjoy inane brain teasers, like doing multiple rounds of interviews with techies that have an ego to safeguard, noname companies who think they can make the same demands as google, HR that has literally no clue what they're hiring for or what you do, etc.

Hiring for dev roles is an absolute disaster that makes no sense to any sane human being. It used to be okay, but that's not the case anymore.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Don't go down the software path at all unless you like having to memorize dozens of answers to complex algo questions, enjoy inane brain teasers, like doing multiple rounds of interviews with techies that have an ego to safeguard, noname companies who think they can make the same demands as google, HR that has literally no clue what they're hiring for or what you do, etc.

That describes too well what I've been through.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I've heard it explained that job requirements are like the initial price in haggling. They don't expect to actually get that.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Job hunting is a severe PITA. I was interviewing for a job as an admin asst at a property management firm and the manager straight up asked me when he saw my ring if my ex-husband was OK with me working full time and if I had kids. I had some HVAC firm pull the same shit for a similar position.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

I am always depressed whenever I have to job hunt. Either they ghost you, deny you a job for not having 20000 years experience in an entry level job (which is a bullshit filter they use to dissuade lazy fucks from applying) or they lie about your wages. "Oh we said $15-$19 an hour, you get $8, suck our dick"

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

I am always depressed whenever I have to job hunt. Either they ghost you, deny you a job for not having 20000 years experience in an entry level job (which is a bullshit filter they use to dissuade lazy fucks from applying) or they lie about your wages. "Oh we said $15-$19 an hour, you get $8, suck our dick"

I watched some docu series about life in the middle ages. One of the most frustrating things about peasant life to industrialists was there was no incentive among peasants to leave their hovels and work in a factory. Peasants simply said we are poor, yes, but once we have given to Caesar what is Caesars, we can do what we want and we have many feast days to get drunk and celebrate and we can make our own shoes and leather and why do we need a factory to do it for us? This is why the peasants had to be liquated and cleared.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I watched some docu series about life in the middle ages. One of the most frustrating things about peasant life to industrialists was there was no incentive among peasants to leave their hovels and work in a factory. Peasants simply said we are poor, yes, but once we have given to Caesar what is Caesars, we can do what we want and we have many feast days to get drunk and celebrate and we can make our own shoes and leather and why do we need a factory to do it for us? This is why the peasants had to be liquated and cleared.

One huge issue for the industrialists was that even when employed, they were difficult to manage. People who had no real concept of employment like we think of it may have worked very long hours, but they were in charge of their own hours, so they could stop their work at will (I want to fish right now) or work at the pace they wanted. Not really suitable for regimented assembly line work with a manager forcing you to do things a certain way with a certain level of efficiency.

A big chunk of the motivation for the education system as we know it was to train drones that would be willing to take orders readily, and people that were especially unfamiliar with wage labor (I know this for Appalachian subsistence farmers --> coal miners) were especially troublesome.

 

[Watcher]

The misery of job hunting is a somewhat recent phenomena. I've spoken to old people who talked about how it used to be you just needed to show up somewhere and you'd get hired on the spot. And you made fairly decent money doing menial labor like working in a factory.

I think it's two things. 1. Feminism but the other being 2. College. Before the 1960s if you wanted to go to college you were expected to work to put yourself through it or get a scholarship. The only subjects they taught were STEM related and you had to actually get accepted to get in. Hitler infamously wasn't good enough to get into art school and his art looked like this.

Spoiler

After the 1960s when the govt allowed for student loans to be a thing they'd just give free money to colleges for doing them, then suddenly colleges had a profit incentive to get as many students as possible. Hence why they started offering more and more courses. Then suddenly you weren't trained on the job to do complex tasks, nor did you work your way up the ladder in companies anymore. Instead companies expected you to take out a student loan and go to college first.

Feminism is the big one though. More competition in the workforce led to wages drastically reducing over decades until it's to the point where two wages can't afford to live in most cities when previously 1 allowed you to own a house. When companies have the freedom to choose between dozens of employees rather than like 5 guys like they did before it becomes a more soul crushing experience for the people looking for work.

Not all of the things this created were bad but it did consolidate wealth progressively upwards. And I do wonder if there's realistically a way to solve it aside from attempting to force companies to only hire men again.

 

[Catgirl Enthusiast]

i can’t be the only Kiwi without a college degree.

I have a college degree and I've never used it. Worst money ever spent.

I applied to a call center based IT company, got hired, embraced the suck, and made friends with as many people as I could there. Then when they moved to other places through their own networks, I was their first contact when a job opened where they went. How I got my current gig.

Networking is the biggest strength you can do. Even starting somewhere shitty.

Networking is important but your ability to do your job is more important. If everyone in your network knows you as a lazy ass you aren't going to get far.

The secret is to learn to do something that's always needed.

I'm envious of people that can draw. If I could draw cub porn I'd never have another worry in the world.

Nursing is terrible and should actively be avoided.

Terrible salary. Terrible work hours. Treated like shit by employers and customers.

And if the doctor fucks up it is blamed on the nurse. I've dated a few.

Trying to make a hobby into a career is a reliable way to eventually hate that hobby.

A job is a job because it involves doing things you'd rather not do. That's why they have to pay you.

I turned my hobby into a career. It's how most people get into my career. I don't hate it, but after doing it all day I don't really want to come home and do it either. I have developed other hobbies, but I still partake in that hobby when I get a wild itch. Because I do that hobby all day now I have become somewhat of a professional. My late night tinkering blows a general hobbyist out of the water so I have that satisfaction and I like going to work. I get paid for something I would have done anyways and I get to spend other people's money doing it. Da Vinchi didn't own the Sistine Chapel after he painted it, but I'm sure he felt some pride in it and that's how I feel about the shit I do.

I'm actually doing something at work that I don't like to do. It is tedious and a pain in the ass. I've been doing it for a month now. I'm also the only person around who can do it. I still go to work every day ready to tackle the next part of this never ending project. I will get done with it eventually and my work will be praised and I will make money and I will get better at what I do from the experience. If you told me a decade ago I could do what I can do now I'd call you a retard, but my job pushes me to my limits and pushes the line of my limits even further out of grasp. If you can do your hobby for a job fucking do it. You won't enjoy your hobby as much, but you can become the best at it.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Looking for a job can feel like "selling" oneself as a "human resouce" in the modern world.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I'm envious of people that can draw. If I could draw cub porn I'd never have another worry in the world.

I was referring to something that's useful to society, and hopefully is not both weird and degenerate