Why Modern women expectations are too high and unrealistic?

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Otterly said:
The vast majority of either sex have a similar list of demands:
No addictions, no serious vices. Hygienic (and the fact I have to even mention that is gross) stable job (doesn’t have to be rich just stable) and roughly compatible outlooks . Will do his share around the house. Wants a family. Loyal.
Can you give some examples of what you think an unreasonable demand women have?
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I think the "unreasonable" demands work both ways and are largely the same. It's not necessarily the demands that are unreasonable (although some are), it is the demands based on what is being offered in return. A lot of young women expect the man to be a traditional husband. However, she will not cook or clean as she considers it sexist. She does not care about the husband's sexual needs because she "is not an object". She does not want to hear about his day or ever have to comfort him because "she's not paid for emotional labor". She expects to be spoiled with expensive gifts and taken to expensive restaurants. She basically expects to be treated like royalty simply for existing and does not reciprocate the same level of dedication back. It is a self-centered world view that is the main problem, much like the men who get left after 25 years of treating their wife like an extension of their mother/a sex toy and not a partner.

Otterly said:
Many of the women I’ve known who initiated divorce had just had enough of being treated like a skivvy for 25 years. They have picked up, washed, cooked, cleaned and worked full time and done all the kid stuff and the man has done very little to nothing and then one day she files for divorce. He’s down the pub with his mates insisting that just the one load of dishes left in the sink was all he did and she’s telling her friends that it’s been twenty five years of effectively being his mum and she’s done with it. I have literally seen this play out multiple times. It’s like two completely different lives have been lived, by two people who’ve been k king together for decades.
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Otterly said:
I have also never known a man leave a relationship unless he has his feet under someone else’s table. Women seem more likely to just leave without a new relationship in the wings. I’m sure that contributes to the statistic as well.
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I wonder if there is a hard statistic on this, but I suspect it's anecdotal. The only man I know who initiated the divorce did it without a new relationship and is single to this day. I think there are two types of divorces: "I found someone better" or "I am sick of your shit" and I think men are more likely to stay in a miserable marriage. Regardless of the actual numbers, there is a perception/fear that men get financially raped or falsely accused in divorce court. I think a lot of the divorces that women initiate are mutually desired and so I don't read too much into it.

Otterly said:
Some people are unreasonable, no argument there. Some people are frankly insane. The rise of online dating I think skews people’s wants as well - it’s picking people based on how shiny and attractive they look in a profile, which I’m sure works when you’re buying consumer goods but not when you’re picking a life partner
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I think we are simply seeing an uptick in self-centered, unreasonable, and insane people generally in society. It makes sense that the rise of unreasonable relationship expectations follows.

Otis Mallebrok said:
So in a thread about women's supposedly unrealistic expectations, you, a bloke, would rather be a faggot, than start a family with a woman who is slightly chubby?
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No offense but being fat in 2024 is a red flag for lack of self-respect, lack of discipline and lack of self-control. Yes this applies equally to men. It is not a coincidence that the competency crisis and the obesity crisis are happening at the same time. I don't blame anyone, man or woman who doesn't want to be with someone unhealthy.

BradeRunna said:
I don't get it either. They all think their holes are worth a million dollars. That's simply not the case. There are more women than men. About 5% more or so. This is how it is with any normal healthy population. There are always slightly more women than men. You know what happens when there is more of something? The value declines. You know what happens when there is less of something? The value increases. Basically, women aren't worth nearly as much as they think they are and its actually men who are worth more. There are less men after all.
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Quantity does not equal quality. Women are experiencing a decline in quality of available men as well. More and more people are going the fat NEET loser route and that doesn't appeal to anyone.

BradeRunna said:
Even the average looking ones the uglies and even fatties are all stuck up these days. It was getting pretty bad when I was younger. But it's a lot worse now.
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You can say the same about the men. This is the result of the internet physically isolating people. It's easy to become this way when you're surrounded by opinions that validate you not having to change.
 
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A theoretical better mate is a swipe away. And a better one is that swipe's swipe away. Primordial truths are still at play: Getting a partner stops the need to improve; men get fat and stop working out and women get complacent and fine with "just having kids" as the end goal of their seemingly otherwise never-ending pursuit of peak femininity.

I've always liked fatty shy shut-in nerdy chicks, and over the years I've witnessed that stereotype go from "I'm sorry I'm so fat UwU I'll make up for it by offering sex UwU" to "I'm a poly bbw goddess who streams to twitch and makes onlyfan content and you're not good enough for me", but in reality they're not streaming nor doing OF content, but the sheer thought of that being a possibility means you have to compete with that.

So going back to the first point: We live in a world of theoreticals, where two boring brown-haired europeans should be pumping out kids but instead the dude kills himself and the girl turns into a seething feminist cause the world owes her a man, all the while hating men and using the term 'incel' as quickly as possible towards all men.
 
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Netizennameless said:
I think the "unreasonable" demands work both ways and are largely the same. It's not necessarily the demands that are unreasonable (although some are), it is the demands based on what is being offered in return. A lot of young women expect the man to be a traditional husband. However, she will not cook or clean as she considers it sexist. She does not care about the husband's sexual needs because she "is not an object". She does not want to hear about his day or ever have to comfort him because "she's not paid for emotional labor". She expects to be spoiled with expensive gifts and taken to expensive restaurants. She basically expects to be treated like royalty simply for existing and does not reciprocate the same level of dedication back. It is a self-centered world view that is the main problem, much like the men who get left after 25 years of treating their wife like an extension of their mother/a sex toy and not a partner.


I wonder if there is a hard statistic on this, but I suspect it's anecdotal. The only man I know who initiated the divorce did it without a new relationship and is single to this day. I think there are two types of divorces: "I found someone better" or "I am sick of your shit" and I think men are more likely to stay in a miserable marriage. Regardless of the actual numbers, there is a perception/fear that men get financially raped or falsely accused in divorce court. I think a lot of the divorces that women initiate are mutually desired and so I don't read too much into it.

I think we are simply seeing an uptick in self-centered, unreasonable, and insane people generally in society. It makes sense that the rise of unreasonable relationship expectations follows.

No offense but being fat in 2024 is a red flag for lack of self-respect, lack of discipline and lack of self-control. Yes this applies equally to men. It is not a coincidence that the competency crisis and the obesity crisis are happening at the same time. I don't blame anyone, man or woman who doesn't want to be with someone unhealthy.

Quantity does not equal quality. Women are experiencing a decline in quality of available men as well. More and more people are going the fat NEET loser route and that doesn't appeal to anyone.

You can say the same about the men. This is the result of the internet physically isolating people. It's easy to become this way when you're surrounded by opinions that validate you not having to change.
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I think there's also a lot of dunning-kruger cases where one person thinks they're worth more/etc for whatever reason and then fuck it all up. Like, don't get me wrong, I know a lot of schlubby dudes irl that work desk jobs, live with/take care of aging parents, and just seem to be unsure about what to do in regards to getting hitched. I've met plenty of former NEETs that are at least genuinely trying.

I sympathize with anyone trying to navigate the decline of quality mates/partners/whatever the fuck, but it's become kinda clear to me that we just seem to have a general issue in the seemingly defunct old fashioned idea of 5s go with 5s just not being a thing.

Like, I've sat down with a friend of a relative that I was asked to chat with. He's some guy in his mid 20s that never went to college nor really did anything aside from blue and white collar jobs. He lives in a multi-generational household and just seems fine with that. However, the weird thing is that he immediately goes on about women in this weird way. Like, yeah, he's a normal dude that's a 5/10 and works an average schlubby wagie desk job. I don't get why he talks about wanting a woman of a standard higher than him. I was looking at him and asking him if he'd want the female equivalent of himself and he simply said that was crazy.

That being said, I've also seen the other side. Knew a very very sheltered girl in college. She did not take care of herself and wound up being pretty hefty. She fell for the whole feminism meme despite being in a developing country. Now, it turns out I was distantly related to her and wound up getting to see her from time to time outside of college. Her parents were relatively good looking, her other family was also similarly good looking. She just somehow got it into her head that she'd get a 8-10/10 white guy to marry and support her art career.

The funny thing is that I was dragged into an intervention with her because she was getting extremely physically and socially unhealthy. She basically got carted off to the countryside by her family. Last I heard, she slimmed down a bit and found herself. Don't know how rich or religious they were per se, but it's impressive to go from almost 400 pounds down to 120 in 3-4 years.


Anyways, I think a lot of women need to be reminded that you can either be fat or be a bitch. Not both. It also applies to men as well.
 
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Alexander Thaut said:
I sympathize with anyone trying to navigate the decline of quality mates/partners/whatever the fuck, but it's become kinda clear to me that we just seem to have a general issue in the seemingly defunct old fashioned idea of 5s go with 5s just not being a thing.
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Meh, I've seen a strange phenomenon where with people closer to my age, it's strictly women who are upset with 5s just going with 5s. If you suggest to the middle aged landwhale that she doesn't deserve a doctor Chad, they literally screech and have a chimpout of epic proportions. It's actually quite funny and a neat pub trick. I suggest doing it, if the chance ever comes up.

By contrast amongst younger men in their 20s that I know all seem upset with their 5 self going with a 5 or 6. Many are convinced they haven't reached their peak and for some of them, there is some truth to that. Others? Eh....not so much. It's kind of a mixed bag but young people are dumb and stupid and I always just clocked it up to that.

Here's a fun story. Once I was at a pub with some friends and a local retard tagged along. Retard insisted he loved MILFs and milfs were his thing. I guess God had a sense of humor or maybe I did something good that day because no less than maybe 15 minutes after he said this, 20-25 young mothers filled the bar. Apparently they were a Facebook group who were having, I shit you not, a Single Mom's Night Out. I got the biggest shit eating grin on my face and turned to the local tard. He sat there the entire time and barely said a word. I bullied him till he got pissed off and left.
 
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when did I insinuate anything sexual?
your obsessed
TAKE YOUR MEDS.
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Toji Suzuhara said:
I'd be more worried about peachlover, the last guy who simped too hard for that girl turned out to be a canadian child pornographer
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the worst ive heard about higurashi fans is that they're trannys who think umineko is a allegory for trooning out
 
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For evolutionary reasons, women dated up.
Meaning going for higher status men who are better in physical prowess to be able to hunt for the family and have more resources.
Since the 1960s, women for the first time in history had their own income and the majority have the means to get their own resources.
But unfortunately for us, that does not turn off evolutionary behavior, so they still go for him that are higher in status than them. And the higher status men are inflated now because of the economy we live in where women often get careers before being married. Meaning that men who would have had no problem with getting with a woman are not being pressured to be even higher status and have more resources than they would have if 2nd wave feminism didn't happen.
 
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Skitarii said:
Nigger where did you find a bulgarwoman that was actually pleasant?
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When I originally read this I was so confused. I stared at this for like 5 minutes before realizing I was a retard and misread it.

I thought you said "Burglar Woman" and I was imagining you serially dating a bunch of female professional house crooks.
 
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That is because you are basing your perceptions of women based on online interactions. Most women do not act like this and the ones that do in reality aren't marriage material or beautiful in any way so not worth dating anyway. If you think this is reality and are still chasing after this kind of woman then you have a modonna-whore complex that needs to be resolved.

Date women who are good for you and you can see having a family with and there you will find the most beautiful women that is beyond your wildest Imagination. She will be the only one whose expectations you should exceed
 
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