Why Modern women expectations are too high and unrealistic?

[LaCreaturaDeLasAmerica]

The internalized feminism in most posters ITT is embarrassing. Women like status and strength? Shit, next thing you know you're gonna tell me that men like chastity and beauty. You niggas are hating women for not being men. Just date a man bro. You're gay, bro. Women aren't that picky. Stop using dating apps, take a shower, groom, work on your spaghetti spilling, go where women are, find a cute one, and ask her out. Repeat 100x and you'll eventually get a yes. If you're 30+, there's a near 100% chance that you missed the boat on a virgin and your selection pool is dogshit compared to when you were 20, but you can still find a decent woman. Adjust your expectations and don't expect a supermodel if you're a 35 yo 5'8 chud. If you're in your 20s, you can still get a high quality girl, just be a high quality man, and don't expect her to act like a man. I nabbed my wife in my early 20s. Beautiful, virgin, timid, etc. I wouldn't have found a girl like her had I waited till my 30s. But I do see quality women in my 30s, they just have baggage. If you don't have baggage in your 30s and are single, that's a failure on your part, unironically.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

"Last dick you had was your dad's."

How is babby formed?
Your complete lack of knowledge about conception and childbirth makes sense though, because you are a faggot who thinks Abdullah pozloading your neghole is how all sodomites are made.

 

[Dawdler]

How is babby formed?
Your complete lack of knowledge about conception and childbirth makes sense though, because you are a faggot who thinks Abdullah pozloading your neghole is how all sodomites are made.

I am giving you another chance to reply with a better response. At least try and put in some effort this time.

 

[Rodeo Roadrunner]

go where women are

I guess we are ignoring some of the posters in this thread that they can't even places where GUYS their age are, much less girls. Want to enlighten us besides "bar, club, church."

If you're 30+, there's a near 100% chance that you missed the boat on a virgin and your selection pool is dogshit compared to when you were 20, but you can still find a decent woman.

Sure.

Adjust your expectations and don't expect a supermodel if you're a 35 yo 5'8 chud

Can we stop with this lie that the only thing holding back incels and people from dating is they are expecting the head cheerleader gf when they really should target the average girl? An extremely small minority of men are complaining about this, they can't even find average women.

But I do see quality women in my 30s, they just have baggage.

What does quality mean, and what baggage are they talking about? Most of the time when I see men complain about dating in their 30s they are saying the women have kids from previous relationships or no job, trashy tattoos everywhere. That is far from mere "baggage". More like a baggage train.

I forget which poster it was and what thread, but in another one of the incel-adjacent threads here, someone posted this very interesting essay from Scott Alexander about his observations during his work as a psychiatrist. Basically he was wondering how a patient of his had recent legal trouble involving battery of his wife because he cheated on her with an ex of his. The crazy thing was that he got divorced from his ex because he hit her as well. So this was a case of a guy who beat up women, that had no trouble getting women to marry him and have kids, and even after they left him they came back for me. And Scott noticed how he knew people, and was friends with some, that were far more put together than this guy, that had good jobs, incomes, didn't beat women, and yet couldn't get a date to save their life. The whole thing is worth reading, but this part in particular stuck out to me, along with this. I screenshot it since it is worth reading without paraphrasing.

Sure, there are some "nice guys" that think they deserve a model girlfriend. But I think those are a small minority. The large majority of them don't want only a head cheerleader girlfriend, they just want A GIRLFRIEND period.

 

[Dawdler]

Nice guys really aren't, that's the issue.

Repeat 100x and you'll eventually get a yes.

More like 1000x and you get mostly maybes. Dating today is hard for the sole reason people don't have any more free time and everyone is just trying to survive.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

I am giving you another chance to reply with a better response. At least try and put in some effort this time.

Found your dox:

So why are you still salty at your teenage girlfriend for dumping your ass?
Bro, it's been 40 years let it go.

 

[Dawdler]

Found your dox:
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So why are you still salty at your teenage girlfriend for dumping your ass?
Bro, it's been 40 years let it go.

Let me just quote myself

This is just further proof woman will dig your entire history to take a stab at you and "win" an argument.

LMAO tho, reject feminism, return to monkeeeeeeeeee

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

Let me just quote myself

Why? It was retarded the first time you said it.
As I already said to you:

You dumb nancy queer.
This is a LOLCOW forum.
Digging through someone's history to uncover all the embarrassing shit they admit to is what we all do here.
"Oh no! She exposed me for being a cum gargling pigslut fag" - you're goddamn right I did.

I know this is hard for whiny poofter rejects like yourself to comprehend, but this isn't your tranny safe space where you can't be criticised.

Die mad about it.

 

[Dawdler]

Die mad about it.

Nah.

 

[PaleTay]

Sure, there are some "nice guys" that think they deserve a model girlfriend. But I think those are a small minority. The large majority of them don't want only a head cheerleader girlfriend, they just want A GIRLFRIEND period.

Speaking as a guy that has spent a lot of time with models, influencers, and "head cheerleaders" and had different types of friendships and relationships, it's the vibe and interests not so much the looks that make them most men's dream relationship. Plus most models would've just been waitresses or athletic girls 20 years ago.

They're just more genuine, initiate more, more supportive, and love faster and harder.

 

[CrazyUrbanist]

I forget which poster it was and what thread, but in another one of the incel-adjacent threads here, someone posted this very interesting essay from Scott Alexander about his observations during his work as a psychiatrist.

I think about this essay a lot.

I guess we are ignoring some of the posters in this thread that they can't even places where GUYS their age are, much less girls. Want to enlighten us besides "bar, club, church."

I like to lurk these sorts of threads wherever I find them, but I've long since given up on finding any real insight in them. It often feels like all of the advice is coming from people who live in an entirely parallel universe where people have friends and partners. It intersects and overlaps with my universe just enough that I know they exist, but no further. They mean well, but their advice does not apply, because there are no other people here on this side. I'm not sure why.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Not only do modern women expect you to look attractive, but they also expect you to have a high standard of living so they could take your money and spend it on garbage consumer products. Consumerism and Capitalism shaped women for the worst.

 

[LaCreaturaDeLasAmerica]

Nice guys really aren't, that's the issue.


More like 1000x and you get mostly maybes. Dating today is hard for the sole reason people don't have any more free time and everyone is just trying to survive.

https://youtu.be/mC34TSXNKiY

Rodeo Roadrunner -
Work, community college classes, events, coffee shops, hobbies. I know a guy who got a 10/10 Christian girl because he did rock climbing as a hobby. He looks like napoleon dynamite's brother.

And baggage meaning side effects of living life normally. I know a girl in her mid 30s who looks like she could be a model, is very smart, has a nice family, knows how to do woman things, but she's divorced because the guy she married was cheating on her when he was power tripping on a high status finance bro job. That is the type of baggage that quality women in their 30s will have.

 

[Lidl Drip]

Die

This right here is really the only advice incels need and deserve.

 

[Crex Crex]

One more of these threads and I am going to fucking kill anyone posting them.

 

[Obstacle]

Be a friend to your lover, please.
Everything else is details.

 

[Rodeo Roadrunner]

Speaking as a guy that has spent a lot of time with models, influencers, and "head cheerleaders" and had different types of friendships and relationships, it's the vibe and interests not so much the looks that make them most men's dream relationship. Plus most models would've just been waitresses or athletic girls 20 years ago.

They're just more genuine, initiate more, more supportive, and love faster and harder.

I have seen you post this before and while I obviously can't invalidate your person anecdotes, I think it has less with the personal beauty of the people you are spending time with, and more the fact that they are gregarious and have many interesting hobbies and interests. Worldly people as it were. When I was talking about the claim that incels only want a cheerleader girlfriend I was more referring to the misconception that they want a girl whose beauty is way out of their league.

Work

Only works if there are single women where you work. Not to powerlevel too hard but I worked at a place where there was one (1) woman that worked at our entire company, and she was married. This was a company that employed 80 people.

community college classes

Same as college generally. I agree with you that you can meet people in college. Obviously doesn't work when you graduate.

events

How many events do you go to a week? And what sort of events? Art show at the state garden? Concerts? Charity bowling night? Possible to meet people at these but most of the time people go in groups to these and single young people are an outlier (except potentially at concerts). And if it is an entertainment event people are usually focused on listening to the music, not trying to talk to people.

coffee shops

Possible but I have genuinely never heard of anyone finding a girlfriend (much less a friend period) at a coffee shop. People just want to sit on their laptop while they drink their coffee. And what are you supposed to do, hang around the coffee shop for an hour? People have jobs, and if you are getting coffee in the morning you want to leave quickly so you can get to work.

hobbies

If your hobbies involve other people sure. Otherwise this doesn't do anything, especially if hobbies are male dominated. Like if your hobbies are reading, shooting guns, gym, and camping, only 2 of those are reliable contact with people, and people aren't generally talking to other groups at the range, or going out of their to talk to people at the gym when they are working out (especially when everyone has headphones on).

He looks like napoleon dynamite's brother.

He is probably in good shape if he rock climbs, so I don't believe you that he would look like Napoleon Dynamite's brother.

 

[PaleTay]

I have seen you post this before and while I obviously can't invalidate your person anecdotes, I think it has less with the personal beauty of the people you are spending time with, and more the fact that they are gregarious and have many interesting hobbies and interests. Worldly people as it were. When I was talking about the claim that incels only want a cheerleader girlfriend I was more referring to the misconception that they want a girl whose beauty is way out of their league.

I do think beauty is highly correlated with openness to new experiences especially with women, I wouldn't necessarily call most of the people I'm thinking of gregarious so much as seeking genuine people who are interesting and worldly. I can teach a pretty girl about something nerdy or weird without her accusing me of "gatekeeping" or losing interest far easier than I could a normal looking girl. I think incels and most men want a "cheerleader girlfriend" not really because she's out of their league but because of this openness, they want the vibe but aren't willing to put in the work to attract it.

 

[Uncle Ted's Cabin]

There's old and there's too old, but from experience people who marry in their early to mid 30's seem to be more stable than those who marry right out of their teens or their early 20s, specially the men who will marry anything that says yes to them, only to find out how divorce works.

This has been what I've seen as well. I don't know many people who got married in their 20's, but one couple I knew got divorced pretty soon after and the others are either not doing well financially or are just starting to pull up out of not doing well financially.

Class factors in play?

Absolutely. Getting married, buying a house, starting a family, etc. are all very expensive life changes that can be hard to accomplish without help, especially if the timing isn't great. For example, a wedding and a starter home would have both been a lot cheaper for most people before the pandemic. There is also cost of living and cultural factors. I lived in one of the most expensive major metropolitan areas in the US for a while and some of my friends there are still living with their parents despite making 6 figures. Renting an apartment does not make economic sense for them when they can pay a fraction of that as a contribution to their parents (who are okay with it) and invest the rest in hopes of affording a house later. The short story is, if you are middle class and don't have tons of help, you have to spend a lot of time ramping up to financial stability. If you are lower middle to lower class, you are likely born underwater and will be helping your parents with their debt before being able to make any major life moves yourself. This has been my experience, at least.

Confirmation bias in play, I think. People will believe what they want to be true. And the prospect of one having wasted ten years and now is one of the leftovers is an unpleasant thought.

I will admit that I am in the supposed "leftover" group in my early 30s, but I don't see it. My friends are mostly early to late 30s and marriage proposals are only now just starting to ramp up, although most of them were in their relationships for at least few years already. My parents were in their late 30s when they got married. Regardless, it's not a waste of 10 years if you spent it on personal growth and becoming financially stable.

 

[ZeCommissar]

I blame the internet for most of humanity's current social woes, especially Gen Z dating woes. However, not everything can be blamed solely on the internet.

Boomers are some of the worst fucking role models I have ever seen in my life. Well a significant portion of them anyway. Is it a big surprise that the generation with the highest divorce rate in US history that spent time catching STDs at woodstock caused a doomed family spiral that has generational consequences? Never mind a lot of the Boomers that stayed in their marriages seem like sad sacks of miserable shit. Now before some literal oldfag takes a shot at me and goes "Hey I've been happily married for 40 years with great children that had even better grandchildren!" I sincerely mean it when I say congratulations. It's too bad more people didn't end up like you. You are the exception, not the rule.

It's not rocket science guys. The reason so many people have such shitty views on relationships in the modern world is due to the absolute breakdown of the family unit. Even if you did come from a good family you probably had friends that weren't so lucky, and you saw what that did to them. Probably ended up thinking "damn I hope I don't marry a woman like Kyle's mom!" Modern dating doesn't suck because "women are just picky hoes" or "men are just betas that jack off and can't provide". Those are symptoms, not causes. The internet and Boomers are just two large ingredients in a shit cauldron. The shitty economies of the world add that diarrhea flavoring.

We have women that scroll tiktok and insta for 5 hours trying to dunk on the chuds that jack off to anime and play vidya for 5 hours. It's like monkeys flinging shit at each other just to see who can fling it the hardest. Don't stop you beautiful bastards.

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I agree with almost everything you've said ITT however, I think you're missing one important key element, or just willingly ignoring it. That element is autism. Even if someone is a literal 6'5 chad with a good jaw if he's too autistic he will fail when it comes to attracting women, well at least compared to a 6'5 non-autistic man. If he's a 5'7 manlet autist? Whooooooo boy.

A lot of these guys have been raised by single mothers so the games been rigged from the start for them. Sure they can groom, work out, get money, and god forbid touch grass, but to ask them to not spill the spaghetti? Now I think you may actually be overestimating the abilities of your average KF user who complains about women.

My advice for those touched by the puzzle pieces? Honestly.....good fucking luck. I really can't think of anything that's effective. Find another autistic woman maybe?