Disaster Why So Many Young People Are Cutting Off Their Parents - Hand-rubbing intensifies

Jordan was raised in a Southern Baptist household in North Carolina where she was expected to attend church multiple times a week, accept Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and honor her mother and father. That last point was right there in the Ten Commandments. So when Jordan made the decision to stop talking to her dad, the choice stood in defiance of the lessons of her upbringing, but it was also because of them. She was tired of being told that women should submit to men, a belief ordained by the religion in which she was raised. She was finished obeying.

Family estrangement flies in the face of what most of us are taught as children: that family is forever and the bonds of blood cannot be replicated. Especially in cultures that value the cohesiveness of the group over more individualistic wants and needs, family is not considered a choice as much as it is a fact. But for families across America right now, that fact is fraying.

If it feels like whispers of estrangement are everywhere lately—in your group chat, at your happy hour, and of course on TikTok—it’s because the data is staggering. Karl Pillemer, a professor at Cornell University and author of Fault Lines: Fractured Families and How to Mend Them, found that in 2020, 27% of Americans over the age of 18 were estranged from a family member. That’s more than a quarter, although the actual proportion could be much higher because many people are still reluctant to discuss such a personal and stigmatized topic. Although there is a lack of long-term research, Pillemer believes estrangement rates are increasing in the United States and other Western countries, especially in white and non-immigrant people under the age of 35. The rise in millennials and Gen Zers coming forward to discuss their own crises—the hashtag #ToxicFamily has 1.9 billion views on TikTok—may suggest that American families are severing ties at an all-time high.

If TikTok is to be believed, attitudes about estrangement fall along generational lines: Boomers accuse millennials and Gen Zers of being too quick to cut contact, while younger generations push back by saying they don’t have to tolerate unacceptable behavior just because someone is related to them by blood. Today, certain young people appear to be far less rigidly beholden to the idea of family obligation above all else, even at the cost of their own happiness.

“The norms that forced families to stick together no matter what have weakened,” Pillemer said, noting that difficult childhood experiences, value and lifestyle differences, and unmet expectations are some of the factors driving estrangement. “There is less of an overwhelmingly normative guideline that you must stick with your family no matter what. There is a sense among younger people today that if the relationship is aversive over a long period of time, they have the ability to get out of it.”

How pervasive family estrangement has become is also evident in pop culture. On her daytime talk show, Drew Barrymore talks about her emancipation from her parents at age 14 and hosts celebrities like Jennette McCurdy, bestselling author of I’m Glad My Mom Died, and Brooke Shields, who opened up about her tumultuous relationship with her mother. But as ubiquitous as the phenomenon can seem, the reality behind each separation is as layered and individual as the families themselves.

When Jordan, 32, decided to leave the church in early adulthood, tension rose between her and her father. Because her parents were married, Jordan says she held back from cutting her dad off despite the fights they had about religion, politics, and her exit from the church. But after one last explosive call, Jordan hung up the phone and had a “moment of clarity.” She realized she was finished, done. Looking back, she says he’s lucky she waited that long. While he called and texted her repeatedly, Jordan didn’t budge. “It’s an extreme privilege to have a great relationship with your adult children,” she says. “I was always hoping [while we weren’t talking] that he would take my silence as a cue to get himself together and to apologize to me.”

The year after their estrangement, Jordan’s dad was hospitalized. She took a red-eye flight to be by her mother’s side and say her goodbyes to her incoherent father, who died after she got there. Now she finds herself grieving a complicated relationship. She thinks she did the right thing, but part of her grief is accepting that she’ll never know if, given more time, he could have ever changed.

Threaded into so many of these stories is the same hope Jordan had: that maybe the nuclear act of estrangement would eventually bring the estranged closer, like cutting hair to try to make it grow longer. That’s how it was for Rose, 21, who says she used to be “Daddy’s princess” before her father’s heroin addiction escalated to the point that Rose felt forced to make a choice. “I hoped that he would say, ‘Oh, my daughter’s no longer talking to me, I should try to fix that so I can talk to her or see her again,’” Rose says. “But sadly, he hasn’t chosen that.” There are so many things about her present life that she wishes she could tell her father: that she graduated high school and dyed her hair, that she got a job working with disabled children and brought a boyfriend home to meet her family. It all happens without her father and still, Rose hopes.

Quincee Gideon, PsyD, a Los Angeles–based psychologist who specializes in trauma therapy, explains that people’s reactions to familial estrangement are mixed and can change over a lifetime. “Some people have a lot of hope that their family can change,” Gideon says. “But by the time folks get to estrangement, they’ve spent years trying to set appropriate boundaries, live with disappointment, accept their family’s flaws, and negotiate in so many different ways that estrangement is a relief.” Such a significant step is best undertaken with the support of a therapist, recommends Gideon. In her own practice, she has clients take small breaks from contact with a family member to gauge the emotional impact. “Was it worth it? Was it relieving? Was it stressful in some way that we didn’t anticipate? Then we go from there.”

The relationship between Holly, 24, and her emotionally withholding and abusive mother was strained for years before she took the final step of estrangement. First, Holly had to make sure logistics were taken care of—she figured out a way to get her birth certificate and Social Security card, which were both stored in her mother’s security deposit box at the bank. Holly ended their relationship with a text message, writing, “I hope you choose a different path in this next part of life, where you choose healing over cruelty and misery. I won’t be there to see it.” Her mother blocked her number without responding. Instead of the grief she’s read about other estranged people feeling, Holly felt something else: a sense of peace.

She knows people may judge her for feeling relieved. A close family member told Holly, “She’s your mother—you should love her,” which Holly finds grating. “We would never tell a woman who’s been abused [by a partner], ‘You should go back to him, to the person who hurt you and will continue to hurt you.’ But we do for people with abusive parents, and it makes me very mad. If I wanted to be miserable and anxious all the time, I’d go back to my mother.”

These stories of family estrangement awaken something almost ancestral in me. I’m Albanian—my parents are both immigrants from Kosovo—and I have never understood family as something to opt in or out of. Being a part of a family is one of the main anchors of my identity—without the knowledge of where I fit as a sister and aunt and cousin, I’m not sure who I would be. In my family, even as relationships are stretched to the point of breaking, it is almost always with the understanding that eventually, they will heal or at least enough time will pass that we can sit at a dinner table together and pretend nothing happened.

Research shows that there are cultural differences at play here. Pillemer, the Cornell professor, notes that the rate of estrangement is highest among white families and lowest among immigrant groups, Latinx families, and Black families. “There is much greater pressure to remain in the relationship among non-white and especially immigrant populations,” he notes. “People may be in extremely conflicted relationships, but they are very unlikely to say, ‘I never want to speak to you again.’” When Pillemer explains this, I can’t help but laugh. I think of the passive-aggressive behavior that lives at the core of some of the dynamics in my family, the unexplored conflict that is swept to the side to make room for a shared morning coffee. Part of me wonders what my family would look like if we entertained the idea that we don’t have to love each other unconditionally. Another bigger part of me is deeply comforted that we will almost certainly always have one other.

But for some, the breaches are simply too profound to overcome. Take Ant, 24, an only child who lives in Florida. The path to Ant’s estrangement from their ultra-conservative parents stretches from an abusive and tumultuous childhood into their understanding of themselves as queer and non-binary. The breaking point came in the summer of 2016, when a mass shooter killed 49 victims at Pulse, an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Orlando. Ant, who had recently been on a date with someone who was supposed to be at Pulse that night, spent the morning after the shooting talking to their date’s sister as they tried to locate them.

Ant’s mother responded to the tragedy by saying the shooting hadn’t happened while Ant’s father used a slur against queer people. “That was the big moment,” Ant recalls. They waited until they turned 18 and graduated high school to make it official, although Ant’s mother still calls them sometimes. “She thinks that she has authority simply for the fact that she’s the mother and I’m the child,” says Ant. “Meanwhile, I can just hang up the phone at any point. I’ve found a chosen family that has allowed me to actually be myself and feel like I can do great things. I do feel very free.

After making the painstaking decision to cut off a family member, young people then face the daunting task of having to continue to justify their choice, compiling years of slights and heartbreaks into a quick explanation they can relay on a third date. Undoubtedly, millennials and Gen Zers have high expectations for their loved ones and place a higher premium on their own peace, even if it comes at the expense of something as steadfast as the family unit. It would be easy to say young people just don’t care about the sanctity of familial bonds, but I don’t think that’s true. How a family comes together and comes apart isn’t rational or easily explained—it is impossibly tangled. When one thread is pulled, the whole thing can unravel. And I don’t believe that anyone pulls it loose so easily.

 
I dunno, mate, I think the "Rose" chick whose dad was a heroin junkie was well within her rights to cut him off. Any person that choses their addiction over their kids is trash and don't deserve to call themselves a parent.
Well yeah I’m obviously not talking about heroin junkies or mothers with only fans. But if your mum tells you to clean your room or stop playing video games until 4am every day and you wig out, that’s on you.

I'll put it this way. My father is a jackass. Stubborn as a mule. If he wasn't I'd be a turbo NEET degen, completely godless. Sometimes your parents need to be hard on you to forge you into something worth while. I love my Dad. I always will. He's proud I became a welder, and he's sacrificed a lot to get me as far as I have in life. Now it's my turn to sacrifice for him. That's love. Something the writer of this article lacks.
Exactly. You love your parents despite their flaws, that’s just maturity and anyone who bitches and moans about their parents are usually losers. My late mother had a bit of a problem with the drink and it definitely caused friction but I never stopped loving her and she never stopped trying her best.
 
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Pretty fucked up that we're putting "My parents raised me religious" in the same category of people who had abusers, addicts, and/or retards for guardians.
These types always conflate being brought up and dragged to church once a week as child abuse. You see it with Reddit atheist types all the time when they smugly conflate Troon indoctrination in schools with Sunday School and shit.
 
Parents always (99.9% of the time) want what's best for you, and make enormous sacrifices for their kids. If you aren't a complete sociopath you should want to pay it back and remain in constant contact with them the same way traditional families used to be.

Zoomers and Millenials have taken the 0.01% of actually "bad" parents and stretched it thinner than two jews fighting over a penny to pretend their parents are like that.

Bad relationship with one's parents is an enormous red flag, maybe not so much in the past, but definitely now that its trendy.

If you think so low of your flesh and blood that you'd disregard it for the sake of shitty contemporary fad then what hopes does anyone have of establishing a stable long lasting relationship with you?

Good relationship with one's parents is a huge indicator of a stable well adjusted personality.
if your parents are "provoking wrath" sounds like they're not holding up their end of the deal

If the wraith is being provoked by parents telling their children that they don't support degeneracy I fail to see what you expect the parents to do.

Supporting your child being gay or trans is essentially condemning them to a shorter meaningless miserable life of heidonism, but the article isn't even that, even if the parents are accepting of their kids specifically (which if they are good parents they shouldn't support self destructive habits just because its fashionable but whatever), these people cut contact because the parents don't support OTHER PEOPLE'S depravity.

The "provoking wraith" clause doesn't mean the kids get to do whatever they want and the parents have to accept it.
 
Boomers are self-righteous pieces of shit who shit a lot on their kids, and millenials are self-righteous pieces of shit who think they know everything and forced their shit beliefs on their kids.

A lot of this is shitty people estranging themselves from shitty people. Some others have genuine gripes (their boomer parents were drunks, stole from them, abused them, disowned them first, made them homeless, abandoned them the second they turned 18.

But in general, boomers are shitty people who have given us this shitty world, so they're facing the reality that they're hated.
Noooooooooo!!!!

No complexity!!!

We need to view this through a facile culture war left vs right binary just like @heathercho
 
Another of my ‘horror stories from parenting groups.’
Woman who is every stereotype of the liberal idiot posts one of those ‘I need your advice’ posts that’s basically ‘I have made the decision to do this and need to be told I’m stunning and brave.’ She’d cut off her husbands parents. As she posted literally every detail of her life for years we had a decent insight.
They seemed like very nice, caring but very traditional people from a rural area (not English either lol.) Apparently they’d ‘been racist’ and she didn’t want the kids around that. The subtext I got from her endless, no holds barred posting was that her in laws were based and said what they thought, and she resented the fact husband didn’t drop them for her. When pushed on exactly what form the racism had taken (we talking active nazi death squad patrols or mild political incorrectness?) it turned out to be something that’s not in any way really racist, like calling someone they were friends with oriental in a polite way because that was the polite term in 1960.
Some people are just insane. This woman wanted them out of her life because they didn’t validate her at every move and she was willing to let her kids lose perfectly loving grandparents over it.
And then on the other hand you’ve got kids who are beaten abused and neglected and they’re likely best without those parents in their lives.
Perspective, I suppose is what this generation lack.
 
"Cutting off" your parents from the incredible privilege of your company is such a faggy, self-important way of framing it.

If I decided to "cut off" my parents, they'd say "lol k" and go back to living their lives just like they do for the other 50 weeks of the year.
 
I'm glad I turned out all right, and have regular contact with my parents.
These types always conflate being brought up and dragged to church once a week as child abuse. You see it with Reddit atheist types all the time when they smugly conflate Troon indoctrination in schools with Sunday School and shit.
Unless you were raised by the Duggars or the Westboro Baptists, it's a petty and immature thing to hold a grudge over.

There's a broader social fallacy that conflates love and acceptance with enabling. Zoomers and Millenials think strangers on the internet care about them more than their parents, because the former never told them "no".

And severing family ties is just what the Board of Directors ordered. "We're like one big family at this company" is a VERY deliberate choice of words.
 
I'll put it this way. My father is a jackass. Stubborn as a mule. If he wasn't I'd be a turbo NEET degen, completely godless. Sometimes your parents need to be hard on you to forge you into something worth while. I love my Dad. I always will. He's proud I became a welder, and he's sacrificed a lot to get me as far as I have in life. Now it's my turn to sacrifice for him. That's love. Something the writer of this article lacks.
God bless you. Your dedication to your father is moving and commendable.
Well christianity its basically a dying religion while the cult of gender its being boosted by thousands of NGOs fueled by seemingly infinite money while government pass laws that make any criticism of them a hate crime.

Even the dumbest normie can see where the wind is blowing, is like how when the king of a pagan nation converted to christianity the entire nobility and middle class did the same as nobody wanted to be left out, and eventually even the lowest of the plebians abandoned the old gods because they held no power anymore and loyalty to them meant being stuck at the lowest point of the social pyramid at best, and death for heresy at worst.

As christian communities disappear only the most diehard christians will remain unconverted, but even then they'll die off. For example it took just 100 years of christianity in the Roman empire for the ancient Egyptian religion that was over 3000 years old at that point to finally die out. Turns out that when the temples lost all political representation and were cut off from state funding the whole thing fell apart rather quickly.
Christianity is experiencing explosive growth in sub-Saharan Africa, Iran (yes, really), the Arabian peninsula, China, Cambodia, Mongolia, Nepal and elsewhere in the developing world. It may be in decline in the big five Anglo states and Western Europe but that certainly isn't the case elsewhere. This just means that the west has become missionary country again.
 
Christianity is experiencing explosive growth in sub-Saharan Africa
And so its islam, see how great christians are doing in Nigeria.
Iran (yes, really),
The islamic republic? gonna need a source for that.
the Arabian peninsula
Really gonna need a source considering the saudis don't allow churches.
Incredibly limited by the CCP, churches can't even have crosses.
Cambodia, Mongolia, Nepal
So nobodies.
and elsewhere in the developing world.
Nobodies again, you're trading the centers of the world for countries that are only relevant during commodity booms.
 
Have seen a lot of condemnation of children who want nothing further to do with their parents. Wouldn't be so quick to judge in every case, least until all the facts are out.

The vast majority of parents, including single parents, do their best by and for their children. They make mistakes, but they own up to the mistakes and press on; children are generally rather forgiving and want to believe the best of their parents.

But there are parents whose greatest contribution to their children's development into adults is as a role model of how not to parent. These children can carry so much anger the only way they know how to deal with the anger is to cut off all contact with those toxic parents.

Some people had no business whatsoever being parents. Their kids paid the price, in many ways.

If you had a good relationship with your parents, be grateful. If you stuck with your parents despite problems, commendable. But I wouldn't slam those who have cut off their parents unless I knew all the facts. Some parents richly deserve what they get.
 
This makes sense as white families tend to be richer and thus, more capable of seeking a better deal outside of their families. If you're a white College Girl and have a choice between a high status career in Manhattan sipping wine and globe-hopping, and staying in your small hometown and becoming Cletus' wife and mother to his 5 kids, then it makes sense that you'd bail on the family, especially if they have "traditional" views of women's sexual freedom.
It's a great con, because on the surface it sounds like paradise. But when the white college girl is beating down box wine and crying to her cats after yet another one night stand bailed you'd think they'd reconsider their priorities.

Maybe someday we'll see a world where a girl decides being Cletus' wife ain't so bad. Until then things are gonna keep going to shit.
 
PL: My dad was batshit crazy and loved to wail the fuck out of me. My mom tried to mitigate this by having her parents, who were working class salt of the earth types, babysit me as much as possible. When I was a young adult I hated my father for all the shit he did. I finally realized that when you are fucking crazy, you don't have a lot of control over the evil shit you do. I eventually forgave him. But I NEVER cut myself off from him or any of the rest of my family.

The OP article seems to be full of literal faggots who disown their parents because the parents refuse to accept that their kid dyed his hair purple and made his "gender identity" of a pansexual orange unicorn the center of his existence. The one woman whose dad was an addict, yeah I get that because hardcore dopeheads put the drug first, even before their own flesh and blood, and deserve to OD and die alone in the attic of an abandoned house. But if your kid is a faggot (or for Evangelicals an atheist) and won't come back around to the real world, all you can do is wave goodbye when they cut you off because you're old school.

Normal people don't disown their families over not "accepting their gender identity". There are very few family issues that can't be worked through (except maybe addiction).
 
And so its islam, see how great christians are doing in Nigeria.
Yes, missionary country is rarely without its martyrs and confessors. That's what tends to happen when Christianity is rapidly growing in any given region. The same things happened in pre-Christian Europe. Vikings would enter monasteries and slaughter everybody.

The islamic republic? gonna need a source for that.
Certainly, I can provide sources.

Incredibly limited by the CCP, churches can't even have crosses.
That hasn't stopped the numbers from

So nobodies.

Nobodies again, you're trading the centers of the world for countries that are only relevant during commodity booms.
So the numbers don't mean anything to you when it isn't the kind of people you want to see maintaining the faith? If that's the case, just be more specific when you claim that Christianity is dying, when on a global scale, it really isn't. The church has always been going through periods of waxing and waning, prosperity and persecution. None of this is new.
 
tldr there is no evidence that 'estrangement' of parents and their adult children is increasing, TikTok views are not evidence, and neither is a survey of whether someone is 'estranged' from "a relative." There are siblings who are estranged. Cousins. Nieces and nephews from their weird aunt/uncle. These are not parents. There is also no evidence that these alleged increases in 'estrangements' are because evil bigot boomers' evil bigotry isn't being tolerated by the millenial and zoomer faggots

This article is pure cope to make millenial and zoomer faggots feel better about themselves and think they are powerful. They need to be told CONSTANTLY that they are powerful because they're insecure little bitches, and they need to be told they are powerful in new ways CONSTANTLY because they have the attention span of a clod of dirt
 
For all of their claims of being Communists and Leftists, the underlying ideology of a lot of trans politics often feels pulled straight from the most insufferable Libertarian's playbook. Maybe I'm giving myself too much credit, but I like to think my most left-wing beliefs stem from a belief that I was born with an obligation towards all other humans simply by the fact of our shared humanity. Much of trans politics seems rooted firmly in the rejection of any external obligation. I break from most of the forum in my overall attitude towards trans people but I do get very concerned that there is a complete mainstream refusal to examine what factors may be driving it. Liberals reject examination because they're innately correct about their identity while conservatives reject examination because they're innate perverts.

If I can really stretch far, I find it interesting that the parents of millennial/gen-z children transitioning at higher rates would have been coming of age and forming worldviews during or shortly after Reagan/Thatcher years where the ethos of "there's no such thing as a society" caught on. Perhaps these children took more lessons from their Boomer parents than they realize.
 
My sister cut off my dad from seeing her kids because he wouldn't get vaccinated. She said some horrible things to him (but she didn't dare start that shit with me despite me having the exact same attitude). She tried to justify her behaviour with a lot of "at least we are surrounded by friends who take community and safety seriously".

So, now that everyone snapped out of the kovid krazees, she tried to pretend nothing happened and just go back to how it was.

Dad literally just wants her to acknowledge that she was an asshole that caused him needless pain, in the hopes that a little humility might prevent her acting like this in the future. Her kids went from being "grandpa's guys" to thinking he's an idiot (probably from overhearing their parents) so he's basically lost those relationships possibly forever. She absolutely can't or won't even discuss 2020 through 2022.

Her husband earned the undying enmity of the extended family with some poorly considered Facebook mockery of the unvaccinated, they refuse to ever see him again.

So now, for no logical reason, my parents won't be able to share a holiday meal with all their kids, possibly ever, because my sister is too proud to admit she blew up the family for government head pats. What a world.
 
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