Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man? - aka Debate user doodoocaca on the validity of rape victims

[Otterly]

I'm not sure it is a good idea for women to camp alone or in groups except in high trust socities, which cannot exist without "patriarchy," homogeneity , etc.

Yeah, that’s a valid point. The setting in which it’s ‘safe’ (from other people at least) is one in which if you do run into a guy on the trail you’ll have a polite chat and go your separate ways, and if you or they need help it’s freely provided. That’s a high trust society.
It probably is safer to have a buddy - I know the Julian sands thread had a lot of to and fro about this. A lot of people saying he was crazy to be alone and a lot saying man v mountain is a fundamental thing.
At the same time solitude is sometimes a thing one craves, and I do understand why people go into the wild alone. I dont think I’ve ever been daft about it, i know my physical limits. I was not climbing Denali in winter alone, but I’ve tackled 9-10 day trails by myself and enjoyed it immensely. Mainly pre cellphone era too. I often used to bugger off for a few days and climb some hills, it does you good.
Thinking back I don’t remember ever meeting a single person on such a trip who I would have seen as a danger. I would have probably shat myself if confronted by a bear, but thankfully never saw one even though they were present. Would I do it now I have responsibility to children? Maybe no

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Rainn literally came out against the Keystone pipeline saying the construction workers would rape all the native women and you have what to say about that?

Native women are 3x as likely to be victims of sexual assault. Extractive construction workers also tend to have a higher chance of committing violence crime near the towns they’re working with since they’re transient and don’t have connections to the communities they’re working in.

That Canadian source immediately leapt into politicized victimization and gendershit and you have what to say?

I’ll admit the gender stuff is overplayed, but politicized victimization? I hate to break it to you but there are particular groups that have higher rates of rape than others.

The single study you linked was about interpreting a fucking story and then the first authors doing "sociology" on the interpretation of interest cues, and you act like this is some slam dunk?

What?? The study was about how sexual assault was perceived. One of the main takeaways of the study was that men’s sexual interest in a woman lead to difficulty interpreting disinterest from female partners, with men who assault women claiming that the woman was “interested” before the assault happened. It even talked about (gasp) women labelling certain sex acts as sexual assault when it wasn’t. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that rape is a big issue.

You didn’t read the fucking paper. What a shocker.

 

[Otterly]

I wanna feed to the local bears everyone involved in this drama.
Oh yeah.
Cuddly. Totally worth it to trigger the moids.
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Oh that’s the article I mentioned in either this thread or the other one. Absolutely horrific. Very upsetting to even think about, and was the first thing that sprung to mind when I heard this question

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Funny how autistic, rational women are such a far cry from wagon circling basic bitches politicizing potential victimhood.

Yes because your responses throughout this debacle have been sooooooo rational

 

[doodoocaca]

Native women are 3x as likely to be victims of sexual assault. Extractive construction workers also tend to have a higher chance of committing violence crime near the towns they’re working with since they’re transient and don’t have connections to the communities they’re working in.

OF COURSE you would agree with this shit.

I’ll admit the gender stuff is overplayed, but politicized victimization? I hate to break it to you but there are particular groups that have higher rates of rape than others.

I agree. Those people are called kids. You never talk about them, though. Why? Because you want to puff yourself up for attention and feel instead of think.

What?? The study was about how sexual assault was perceived.

Yes, and there's a good talk to be had about if two people are equally drunk, just not with you.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Native women are 3x as likely to be victims of sexual assault.

Because of the native men. Highway of tears all over again. Imagine how many native women could be saved if liberals didn't put ideology before women.

However if you frame the question "would you be alone in the woods with a bear or an injun redman" then you would be called racist.

 

[doodoocaca]

Because of the native men. Highway of tears all over again. Imagine how many native women could be saved if liberals didn't put ideology before women.

However if you frame the question "would you be alone in the woods with a bear or an injun redman" then you would be called racist.

If you're going to respond to them, point out how precipitously the risk drops once they're adults for both sexes, and how they use the rape of children to make themselves into more of a potential victim as an adult but do nothing for kids.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

OF COURSE you would agree with this shit.

Of course you would deny it. You hate women.

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I agree. Those people are called kids. You never talk about them, though. Why? Because you want to puff yourself up for attention and feel instead of think.

I already know this and I’ve said that children who are raped have a higher chance of being raped as an adult!! How does me being concerned about women being raped mean I don’t give a fuck about kids being raped??

Also don’t pretend you actually give a damn about rape victims after all this shit you’ve said in this thread. I’ve worked with rape victims of all ages. The crap about me doing this for “victimization” is fucking pathetic.

 

[doodoocaca]

Of course you would deny it. You hate women.

There are a few women I hate, yes, right now Amy Ritchie and Cheryl Sudweeks, serial rapists of children.

I do not hate "women" like you hate "men." I can tell the difference. I know victims and victimizers of both sexes.

I already know this and I’ve said that children who are raped have a higher chance of being raped as an adult!! How does me being concerned about women being raped mean I don’t give a fuck about kids being raped??

You have not once mentioned the victimization of children nor spoke of how to help them in any way what so ever. Everything from you has revolved around creating an image of women as victims who deserve special status, protections, and passes to antagonize men for political reasons. Everything is about you, vis-a-vis your identity as an adult woman, despite the risks to you being low and the people who are at risk of being raped being absent from the words you have typed.

Everything orbits your sentiments toward yourself. You are selfish.

Also don’t pretend you actually give a damn about rape victims after all this shit you’ve said in this thread. I’ve worked with rape victims of all ages. The crap about me doing this for “victimization” is fucking pathetic.

I have spent 20 years helping people who were raped and tortured as children regardless of their demographics. Have you done anything for 20 years yet? Reading, tying your shoes, wiping your own ass?

How long have you used other people's suffering as props so you can seek attention while doing nothing constructive at all?

 

[Twinkie]

Also don’t pretend you actually give a crap about rape victims after all this shit you’ve said in this thread.

He shouldn't be anywhere near children.

 

[Lurker]

Not one program survivor pulls drama games like this.

no one cares about your autistic pet project that you seem to use as a sort of cudgel against women

 

[doodoocaca]

I'd expect a better attempt at a low blow from a woman losing an argument than that.

no one cares about your autistic pet project that you seem to use as a sort of cudgel against women

Of course you don't care about actual victims, even women; you care about the perception of being a (potential) victim to manipulate men who fall for your bullshit, or you've internalized this groupthink so much you think you 'are' in a schizophrenic state of being as a potential victim and people owe you some kind of ass kissing.

I've ran across many people like you, always eager to deflect any responsibility or obligation to anyone but themselves.

None of the women I work with trying to stop actual harm to people act like you, not a single one.

I don't hate "women", but I certainly look down on the likes of you.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

There are a few women I hate, yes, right now Amy Ritchie and Cheryl Sudweeks, serial rapists of children.

I do not hate "women" like you hate "men." I can tell the difference. I know victims and victimizers of both sexes.

You have not once mentioned the victimization of children nor spoke of how to help them in any way what so ever. Everything from you has revolved around creating an image of women as victims who deserve special status, protections, and passes to antagonize men for political reasons. Everything is about you, vis-a-vis your identity as an adult woman, despite the risks to you being low and the people who are at risk of being raped being absent from the words you have typed.

I originally commented here saying that men underestimate what other men do to women. Y’all chimped out and it devolved into this shit, hence why the main topic has been sexual assault on women.

Everything orbits your sentiments toward yourself. You are selfish.

Mh-hmm. Okay.

I have spent 20 years helping people who were raped and tortured as children regardless of their demographics. Have you done anything for 20 years yet? Reading, tying your shoes, wiping your own ass?

I work in ICU and Post-Acute. Before then I was a Social Worker.

How long have you used other people's suffering as props so you can seek attention while doing nothing constructive at all?

I didn’t do any of this to seek attention. I was only trying to highlight why women would choose the bear based on past experiences with men, since users here were slandering women and treating them like they’re being completely irrational.

 

[Male Idiot]

Bear. You can ride it like Putin and not be gay.

Plus for ladies, it is the thing Astarion would have wanted.

 

[God of Nothing]

I originally commented here saying that men underestimate what other men do to women. Y’all chimped out and it devolved into this shit, hence why the main topic has been sexual assault on women.

bringing up this topic, you invited this conversation to begin with

I didn’t do any of this to seek attention. I was only trying to highlight why women would choose the bear based on past experiences with men, since users here were slandering women and treating them like they’re being completely irrational.

it is completely irrational to anyone past their trauma or with a functional brain
if this really is based off past trauma, a lot of women need to get over it or they'll keep making stupid decisions like choosing the bear in this hypothetical

 

[Ultrapenguin]

I didn’t do any of this to seek attention. I was only trying to highlight why women would choose the bear based on past experiences with men, since users here were slandering women and treating them like they’re being completely irrational.

Except the type of people on social media aren't choosing the bear because of reason, they're doing it because they want to have a hot take and are trying to get a rise out of people or seem edgy and transgressive.

The whole thing's dumb and was constructed specifically to bait easily baited people into having retarded, unproductive arguments.

I'd expect a better attempt at a low blow from a woman losing an argument than that.

Well that's ok I'm a man and I already told you in your other thread that you come off like a complete freak and that you shouldn't ever be left alone around kids.

 

[rel=alternate]

This seems mainly aimed at women, so I'll just be the man in the story.

It increases my odds of not being chosen to be stuck in the forest.

And even assuming that I am picked, there is no such thing as being "stuck in a forest". I'll just try and find my way out rather than set up camp for life.

 

[Lurker]

Of course you don't care about actual victims, even women; you care about the perception of being a (potential) victim to manipulate men who fall for your bullshit, or you've internalized this groupthink so much you think you 'are' in a schizophrenic state of being as a potential victim and people owe you some kind of ass kissing.

I've ran across many people like you, always eager to deflect any responsibility or obligation to anyone but themselves.

None of the women I work with trying to stop actual harm to people act like you, not a single one.

I don't hate "women", but I certainly look down on the likes of you.

no one cares about your retarded pet project that you seem to use as a cudgel against women who express dissatisfaction with shitty moids, in an unrelated thread.

MUH WORK WIFF VICTUMS IS THO IMPORTANT, LET ME BRING IT UP UNPROMPTED IN AN UNRELATED THREAD AS AN ATTEMPT TO OWN DA LADIES

did I get that right?

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

no one cares about your retarded pet project that you seem to use a a cudgel against women who express dissatisfaction with shitty moids, in an unrelated thread.

MUH WORK WIFF VICTUMS IS THO IMPORTANT, LET ME BRING IT UP UNPROMPTED IN AN UNRELATED THREAD AS AN ATTEMPT TO OWN DA LADIES

did I get that right?

Does this dude actually work with kids or is this a lie? Because if it’s the latter it actually makes what he’s saying a whole lot worse.

 

[doodoocaca]

I originally commented here saying that men underestimate what other men do to women. Y’all chimped out and it devolved into this shit, hence why the main topic has been sexual assault on women.

You over state the risk to yourself because you want to use it as a rhetorical device and people do not want to put up with it. Take some accountability.

I work in ICU and Post-Acute. Before then I was a Social Worker.

Want a cookie? You're a middling person with some education but you're part of a broken system. How many rape victims have you listened to at 2 am?

I didn’t do any of this to seek attention. I was only trying to highlight why women would choose the bear based on past experiences with men, since users here were slandering women and treating them like they’re being completely irrational.

Men got mad because because they were slandered over the actions of a few people, mostly against children, that are used to inflate numbers for rhetorical reasons, by adult women, who have a shitlib brainworm in their skull. Nobody is slandering "women", just women like you.

Well that's ok I'm a man and I already told you in your other thread that you come off like a complete freak and that you shouldn't ever be left alone around kids.

OK, stop being a gigantic faggot and do it for me then, nigger. Nobody's doing shit, and I really could not care less how I come across to some retarded niggerfaggot who just looks for any opportunity to say someone who cares about kids is a pedo to be a lazy troll.

Does this dude actually work with kids or is this a lie? Because if it’s the latter it actually makes what he’s saying a whole lot worse.

JFC you really are a perma high school brained cunt.

This really proves all this is to you. Drama, gossip, popularity, your feelings and your feelings alone, and any kind of leverage you can get on another or status you can achieve through all this verbal diarrhea.

It isn't about actual victims, or other women - it's about you.