Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

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What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%
  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%
  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%

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    568
I generally sympathize with anyone's effort to squeeze more money out of their bosses, especially when they're a bunch of money hoarding kykes, and even moreso with a business so legendarily shady as Hollywood.

I'd feel a lot more sympathetic twenty years ago, or probably even thirty years prior, since that span of time as seen an enormous amount of strip mining. All the reboots, the remakes, the subversions and useless sequels and so on. To a large extent, writers have shown that they're almost getting vestigial to most of Hollywood's output. I honestly think the sudden explosion of superhero movies is more about getting their hands on literally a century of storylines and characterization to work through more than anything particularly compelling about superheroes compared to anything else - it's an easy day for writers if they can just skim old issues of whatever, write new dialogue, and send it off for marketing to inject niggers or chinks into depending on the intended market.

They've increasingly shown themselves to be terminally out of touch, in what's reminding me of how journalism went into freefall when the primary qualifications for becoming a reporter started to include 'a trust fund to get you through years of internships,' and mostly coasting off of other people's work for their unglamorous bread and butter jobs. Who cares if an AI steps in to provide 90% of the work with just one or two writers to polish the turd? It's just a natural evolution of what's already been happening, and there's just not enough creative weight in the outsider projects anymore because no one cares what some pampered little shit with no talent has to say.

What I see is especially hypocritical, personally, is how self-centered these shits have been in the last 30 years. When all the stuntmen, choreographers, practical effects artists, etc, were being culled because of the rising sophistication of CG and the utter devolution of camera work. I know exactly where they were; taking a long lunch break, of course. Writers had less and less consideration of writing things that could be done and were increasingly reliant on computers to handle that part of their job, but suddenly the rise of technology wasn't so perilous to creativity back then.

Plus, you know, the delicious irony of it all. Being automated out of the job is only supposed to happen to lower class whites who're proud of their family, their community, and their values, but have committed the mortal sin of being proud of their race. I can understand why they're all so pissed and grasping onto every justification possible; this isn't how it was supposed to be! They're not like those factory workers, farmers, salesmen or restauranteurs; they're the scrappy underdogs that love everything darker than they are, so they're supposed to win in te end! The TV said so!
 
This is two decades to late to affect anyone of any skill.
The 2007 writers strike, and the realization of studios they can just put Faggots in anything and it'll sell, killed any decent writing. Why try to hire a skilled writer when you hire someone fresh out of college with an English degree, who won't negotiate, will work for a pittance, and sign away all rights as long as you let them make Strawberry Shortcake a dyke.

Skynet can't come for these faggots' jobs soon enough.

There are literally decades of excellent entertainment at your fingertips. Written and produced by talented people, with a real-life soul and imagination, who didn't have either an agenda to push or an ass to cover. If you're willing to watch stuff with fuzzy images and less than 5.1 surround sound you can easily last over the current dearth of interesting art until the world pulls it's head out of it's butt.
This is so true. This came up in the Star Wars thread as I laugh at cucked consoomers who still have to watch every piece of shit the rat puts out as long as it has a Star Wars label on it.
There is enough good entertainment that has been previously released between books, comics, audiodrama, TV, movies, and videogames there is no need to deal with insulting reboots.

This is why they are trying to get everything on streaming and kill physical media. It'll let them Year Zero old media so you only have New Content to consoom.

If you're ok with doing audio only, I recommend Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
YOURS TRULY, JOHNNY DOLLAR For over twelve years, from 1949 through 1962 (including a one year hiatus in 1954-1955).
It is a P.I. story about an insurance investigator and told via him typing up his expense report on a case - so half the fun is the listing of what meals, hotels, and car rentals went for back then. They also do the james bond thing where the character is voiced by a few different people over the 12-year run, including some fairly big names from Noir.

What I see is especially hypocritical, personally, is how self-centered these shits have been in the last 30 years. When all the stuntmen, choreographers, practical effects artists, etc, were being culled because of the rising sophistication of CG and the utter devolution of camera work. I know exactly where they were; taking a long lunch break, of course. Writers had less and less consideration of writing things that could be done and were increasingly reliant on computers to handle that part of their job, but suddenly the rise of technology wasn't so perilous to creativity back then.

Plus, you know, the delicious irony of it all. Being automated out of the job is only supposed to happen to lower class whites who're proud of their family, their community, and their values, but have committed the mortal sin of being proud of their race. I can understand why they're all so pissed and grasping onto every justification possible; this isn't how it was supposed to be! They're not like those factory workers, farmers, salesmen or restauranteurs; they're the scrappy underdogs that love everything darker than they are, so they're supposed to win in te end! The TV said so!
I wholly agree with your post, pretty much covers my opinions on the matter. But especially this.
Like you said this who journalists used to actually cover issues, investigate, and report but now just parrot press releases or the opinion their super secret group-think email lists tells them to have.
 
Lots of people in here think more of AI than it deserves.

Not that I support these guys. I don't know enough about their demands to hold a strong belief, but talent is thin on the ground these days. Most TV and movies are shit so I'm assuming that's at least partially their fault along with the idiots that green-light their shallow crap.

Still, a world produced by AI sounds fucking boring to me.
I mean, we're still only at the beginning. I predict AI will be able to generate complex works of enternainment in the future. More seasons of Black Lagoon for me.
 
This is why they are trying to get everything on streaming and kill physical media. It'll let them Year Zero old media so you only have New Content to consoom.
This is why I buy discs and still have a bunch of tapes. Not only is the picture and audio better, but it's unchanging, a record of that time period. And trust me, the older the better. There was less CGI sure, that just meant they had to be smart, and when early CG hit the scene, they actually expiremented with it instead of looking like today's slop. Same with writing. There was more competition, more drive to make a better product. Now any idiot can get a full season of lesbian sex the show.
 
I mean, we're still only at the beginning. I predict AI will be able to generate complex works of enternainment in the future. More seasons of Black Lagoon for me.
No man's sky can procedurally generate a billion unique planets that you can walk around and do stuff in. They're massive and complex too. But it's boring as fuck after you've visited the first three or four and got over the "cool" effect. Give me the curated environments and story of Bioshock any day of the week. Even if I have to wait for it. The waiting makes it better, if anything

The very fact a piece of content is produced by AI puts me off because it tells me nothing, and if someone passes off AI content to me as human created I feel disgusted and cheated, especially if I was initially convinced

It's like those people that can paint photo-realistic images of people. Yes it's impressive as a skill, but it doesn't light any fires for me because it's missing all the little symbols and signals a person will put in there that have nothing do to with the subject when they have a free-er hand.
 
There is 100 years worth of content out there Hollywood could fuck off and die today for all I care. Even if you just looked at stuff made from 1950-1999 you would have a lifetime of movie nights. If you hate what they are doing to movies and shows then why the fuck do you still give them money? Its all lazy stuff now anyways. Reboots with everthing done in CGI.

Look at Waterloo (1970). That movie had 17,000 extras for the battle scenes. Or Apocalypse Now where they went and filmed in the PH jungles to get the look right. Or actually dragging a ship up a mountain in Fitzcarraldo.
Studios don't take risks anymore and the result is the majority of crap put out today is just cookie cutter goyslop to be consoomed. If this is what sells then why can't the writers just be replaced with AI?

This is why I buy discs and still have a bunch of tapes.
I have so many DVD's and BR's I don't need to ever give hollywood another dime in my life. 99% of my library is flea market and thirft store (1 for $2, 5 for $5.) or from now defunct websites like SecondSpin. The time to stack physical is sadly ending. Used DVD's are so cheap people can't make money off it.

If you're ok with doing audio only, I recommend Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
That show is good. Suspense, X-minus one and Dimension X are also a good start for someone going down the old radio show rabbit hole. Sometimes you have have to do a little digging to find gems. Lots of crap was cranked out back then also that doesn't hold up well today.
 

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If you hate what they are doing to movies and shows then why the fuck do you still give them money?
imagine being so mad that you can't think straight for long enough to consider that the people mad at bad-quality content aren't the ones going to see it
when was the last time you even saw anyone in this thread talking about having gone to/watched what they're mad at, retard?
 
i might be one of the few people here who kinda supports the writers side of the strike. sure not every writer is a great one but ive enjoyed a number of works released over the past few years that had writers who are on strike now probably. plus, i really dont want to watch an ai generated tv show or movie. its ok for bouncing ideas off of, but i wouldnt use it for making a full blown script. and yeah writers of streaming service shows should get payment for their work over time when it's on the thing for a while like residuals on tv
 
when was the last time you even saw anyone in this thread talking about having gone to/watched what they're mad at, retard?

This thread, no. But check out the star wars thread here for a bunch of abused wives who continue to day-of watch everything Disney puts out and fail to make any sort of logical connection between them doing that and the content continuing to suck. I'm sure the Star Trek thread is just as bad.
And that's on this site where corposhills are mocked and humiliated vs places like reddit where they are admins banning or burying anything that isn't 100% sucking off CURRENT PRODUCT or not being excited about NEXT PRODUCT.
 
Why try to hire a skilled writer when you hire someone fresh out of college with an English degree, who won't negotiate, will work for a pittance, and sign away all rights as long as you let them make Strawberry Shortcake a dyke.
That's a perspective I haven't considered, thanks. Probably explains why there is a lot of television shows revolving around high school proms and other overused and poorly implemented cliché; they lack real life experiences. Hell, I'd wager that some of these writers are already AI. AI has to use a database of historical information to function and these writers have only experienced life vicariously through the eyes of others. In a sense, like when image generation AI sucked, these writers are writing from the perspective of a distorted reality from the get go. Unlike image generation AI, I don't think these people want to change anything to better themselves or their writing.

The 2007 writers strike, and the realization of studios they can just put Faggots in anything and it'll sell, killed any decent writing.
It's pride month so I'll take a moment and suck studio exec D. I don't think the blame fully falls on the studio themselves, they too work like an AI based on metric data; least in theory. If a movie underperforms, terrible, never doin' that again. NEXT. Unfortunately, I suspect there are internal departments and individuals with more sway, that gets this woke BS produced despite accounting shouting, "EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE"!
 
That's a perspective I haven't considered, thanks. Probably explains why there is a lot of television shows revolving around high school proms and other overused and poorly implemented cliché; they lack real life experiences.
That, or it's a literal fantasy of the writer who was an unpopular nerd/wallflower who never got to go to Prom because they thought it was gay and retarded only to regret it once they entered college and heard some stories from their peers. And also it's prime for shipping fuel, and many young people are so into fandoms that they all have an OTP.
 
This is two decades to late to affect anyone of any skill.
The 2007 writers strike, and the realization of studios they can just put Faggots in anything and it'll sell, killed any decent writing. Why try to hire a skilled writer when you hire someone fresh out of college with an English degree, who won't negotiate, will work for a pittance, and sign away all rights as long as you let them make Strawberry Shortcake a dyke.

Skynet can't come for these faggots' jobs soon enough.
I think a good writer can easily compete with AI, or hell, even work with AI to bounce ideas off of, save time, and counter the weaknesses every writer has.

These writers on the other hand suck. If literal children could come up with a better Star Wars sequel trilogy than Disney did, no shit AI could. These people are nothing but cultural vandals who are totally replaceable. AI writing all the reboots and sequels and prequels nobody wanted would markedly improve the product.
I mean, we're still only at the beginning. I predict AI will be able to generate complex works of enternainment in the future. More seasons of Black Lagoon for me.
If it's anything like AI-generated images, you'll have to sift through 50 seasons of janky, unwatchable trash to find the one episode that's actually any good.
 
This thread, no. But check out the star wars thread here for a bunch of abused wives who continue to day-of watch everything Disney puts out and fail to make any sort of logical connection between them doing that and the content continuing to suck. I'm sure the Star Trek thread is just as bad.

The Geeks & Gamers/Nerdrotic/Doomcock niggas have literally made their YouTube channels doing this, and virtually nothing else. Shadiversity smelled opportunity and climbed on the bandwagon. Can't blame them for making a living, but I am surprised so few of their fans get the whiff of hypocrisy. Also probably why a YouTube channel like Professor Geek is small and will always stay that way, since he does nothing but point out the hypocrisy of said channels.

And that's on this site where corposhills are mocked and humiliated vs places like reddit where they are admins banning or burying anything that isn't 100% sucking off CURRENT PRODUCT or not being excited about NEXT PRODUCT.

The oddest instance of this I can think of is the anti-Wheel of Time Amazon show subreddit, which was not banned but taken over by admins and posting restricted. Never seen that before.

Other than that, this was posted on /r/boxoffice,
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as evidence the sides are closer than you might think. Looks like the studios caved, or are in the process of caving, except for maybe the mini-room stuff. The "global streaming" residuals kind of surprises me, since the streamers have fought publicly releasing audience data tooth and nail up until now.
 
Other than that, this was posted on /r/boxoffice,
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as evidence the sides are closer than you might think. Looks like the studios caved, or are in the process of caving, except for maybe the mini-room stuff. The "global streaming" residuals kind of surprises me, since the streamers have fought publicly releasing audience data tooth and nail up until now.
The problem with this is that this tenative agreement is with the directors guild. The little I've read up on it suggests that this might actually hurt the writers because the DGA came to the table with a more agreeable deal than them. I don't know if that's the case but on the surface it makes kinda sense. Hopefully this goes through before the writers deal just so we can see that streaming data. Then we can fully understand just how little they're worth.
 
If it's anything like AI-generated images, you'll have to sift through 50 seasons of janky, unwatchable trash to find the one episode that's actually any good.
I mean, swap out the word seasons for show, and I'd say maybe 49 of 50 shows are janky, unwatchable trash while 1 is worthwhile. In that respect, AI is probably pretty competitive.
The problem with this is that this tenative agreement is with the directors guild. The little I've read up on it suggests that this might actually hurt the writers because the DGA came to the table with a more agreeable deal than them. I don't know if that's the case but on the surface it makes kinda sense. Hopefully this goes through before the writers deal just so we can see that streaming data. Then we can fully understand just how little they're worth.
It will be interesting to see if the AI language will apply to other guilds, and specifically how they define AI. Because I don't see any AI being able to replace a director, at least in their present form. Maybe a stage manager? It's just someone who makes sure people are where they need to be, which could be done with a calendar. But the stage manager can follow up if actor Joe Blow is out back doing cocaine and get their ass on set.

But for writing? I'd still argue that AI could easily replace many functions of a writer, especially the current generation of hacks in Hollywood. It may not be 100% there, but do you need a room full of writers if you can get 80% of your script pre-written by a computer in 20 minutes? Or do you just need one or two smart people who can polish a turd? Which, to be fair, they aren't doing that at all in Hollywood now, but it would be much more cost effective than what they're doing now.
 
Top that off with absolute brainlets who are trying to make this into a political issue by declaring "We are fighting against capitalism!"
As a commie, I tend to autistically scream "this is not real Communism" ... but this time it is. The Soviets were decent at ordering and censoring to produce content that people liked, but they (we) had no political will to solve the problem of rapist, pedophilic, corrupt (((creative intelligentsia))). We had it even worse because we had no separation between cinema and stage. The ideal was amateur nonprofit art made using communally owned equipment, by workers for workers, but the technology for that didn't exist.

plus, i really dont want to watch an ai generated tv show or movie.
You don't have to!
and yeah writers of streaming service shows should get payment for their work over time when it's on the thing for a while like residuals on tv
Why? When I complete a work for hire, I don't get paid when the company later makes big bucks. What makes these creatures special?

They've increasingly shown themselves to be terminally out of touch, in what's reminding me of how journalism went into freefall when the primary qualifications for becoming a reporter started to include 'a trust fund to get you through years of internships,'
That's a perspective I haven't considered, thanks. Probably explains why there is a lot of television shows revolving around high school proms and other overused and poorly implemented cliché; they lack real life experiences. Hell, I'd wager that some of these writers are already AI. AI has to use a database of historical information to function and these writers have only experienced life vicariously through the eyes of others.
Writers not having any real-life* experience** or historical knowledge to draw from, and rehashing fiction instead, has been a problem at least since the 70s (Tolkien's death), maybe earlier. But the 1970s was when everyone decided they have an epic trilogy in them. (I'm not an expert in that but the same probably goes for romance.) Dennis McKiernan is still alive at 91 years old. We're like on the fourth generation of derivative hacks.

*My favorite is
25. Do you not know when the hay baler was invented?
because one look at a bale is enough to understand its industrial origin. It's not a historical fact you could be excused to have mis-researched (especially pre-interwebs). These writers have read the words "bale of hay" in a book and think they should use them to sound "medieval" but don't know what the fuck it even is.

** Disclaimer: I didn't get the link off tvtropes. I love Rinkworks, the site taught me to code. In fact right now I should be writing a software module by ripping off their design instead of sperging here.

Ever since the Hero's Journey became a slur in Hollywood
GOOD
 
It will be interesting to see if the AI language will apply to other guilds, and specifically how they define AI. Because I don't see any AI being able to replace a director, at least in their present form. Maybe a stage manager? It's just someone who makes sure people are where they need to be, which could be done with a calendar. But the stage manager can follow up if actor Joe Blow is out back doing cocaine and get their ass on set.

But for writing? I'd still argue that AI could easily replace many functions of a writer, especially the current generation of hacks in Hollywood. It may not be 100% there, but do you need a room full of writers if you can get 80% of your script pre-written by a computer in 20 minutes? Or do you just need one or two smart people who can polish a turd? Which, to be fair, they aren't doing that at all in Hollywood now, but it would be much more cost effective than what they're doing now.
Perhaps it's the case that the studios are giving in to the directors concerning AI precisely because AI directors are not practical right now. A production only has one director, essentially the creative overseer, and it best be a human as to ensure that everything is coming together well. A human director can even still use AI tools as he sees fit.

It might remain, then, that studios will hold against writers regarding AI because a production can have a bunch of writers, many of them tasked with just churning out drafts and concept work that can just be automated with AI. At least I hope studios will continue to hold because it's ridiculous to ban technological advancements in productivity just for the sake of preserving less-efficient human labor. There are so many comparisons that can be made with technology across various industries, including computers used by Hollywood.

I shared this in a different strike-related thread before, but it should be here in this general thread as well: The WGA's own summary of demands, also attached below.
 

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