Infected Wrong Planet

[Ouija Board]

I think you'll find your reception a lot warmer than expected - I can't speak for everyone but you've seemed pretty cool when I've seen your posts around here.

If you don't mind, could I ask a question though?

Do you have any thoughts on why Wrong Planet is seemingly resistant to telling users to knock off repeating some of their more repugnant views? I've said it before but I think Wrong Planet has the potential to be a good resource for people on the autism spectrum but when you allow Connor to call a girl with Aspergers a "stupid cunt" who "deserves to be emotionally broken" by him for not dating him, it doesn't feel like a very positive environment. I've had suspicions that they actually do reprimand users, but it's via private communication and very informal but I have no real basis for that.

I just want to say thanks to every one for their encouragement, I actually was scared to confess that.

Honestly, I don't go to Wrong Planet that much, I kinda left when the whole "autistics are superior!" mindset started taking hold. There is still some great resources available on that site but as far as allowing people like Connor continue to post there, I have a few theories. One is that moderation seems to be pretty lax and second, they probably don't have the heart to ban or kick out anyone that has the same disability as them. Thirdly, the forums has seem to catch the SJW virus so it's probably a "we should tolerate anybody and everybody" attitude. Because yes Connor would've been banned from the forums if the moderation was anything decent.

Speaking of autism supremacy, there is a movement within (mostly high functioning and those with Asperger's) the community called the Autism Rights Movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_rights_movement.
Pretty much they feel that autistics are unique and shouldn't have to conform to society's rules, ABA (and probably other therapies) are basically evil, etc. I have a friend who is 53 and is autistic and often spouts these ideals. Unfortunately he went to a special needs school where he reportedly said that they slapped and yelled at him as part of his therapy. It's called the Lovaas method and has been an integral part of early ABA. What he doesn't get is that ABA evolved over the years and have taken "aversives" out of the equation and is much more humane and attentive to the child's needs. This friend of mine has a huge grudge against therapies for autistics and often shares the same view of the blogger The Standard Review, which is an autism rights blog. Basically, my friend calls himself an disability advocate. He has a cousin whose son was just diagnosed with autism and she has been trying to get advice from him, apparently she has had specialists trying to push ABA on her when she doesn't want that for her son. I honestly have done some research on ABA but the people that seem to be most vocal and against it are older high functioning autistics.

 

[Android raptor]

I just want to say thanks to every one for their encouragement, I actually was scared to confess that.

Honestly, I don't go to Wrong Planet that much, I kinda left when the whole "autistics are superior!" mindset started taking hold. There is still some great resources available on that site but as far as allowing people like Connor continue to post there, I have a few theories. One is that moderation seems to be pretty lax and second, they probably don't have the heart to ban or kick out anyone that has the same disability as them. Thirdly, the forums has seem to catch the SJW virus so it's probably a "we should tolerate anybody and everybody" attitude. Because yes Connor would've been banned from the forums if the moderation was anything decent.

Speaking of autism supremacy, there is a movement within (mostly high functioning and those with Asperger's) the community called the Autism Rights Movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_rights_movement.
Pretty much they feel that autistics are unique and shouldn't have to conform to society's rules, ABA (and probably other therapies) are basically evil, etc. I have a friend who is 53 and is autistic and often spouts these ideals. Unfortunately he went to a special needs school where he reportedly said that they slapped and yelled at him as part of his therapy. It's called the Lovaas method and has been an integral part of early ABA. What he doesn't get is that ABA evolved over the years and have taken "aversives" out of the equation and is much more humane and attentive to the child's needs. This friend of mine has a huge grudge against therapies for autistics and often shares the same view of the blogger The Standard Review, which is an autism rights blog. Basically, my friend calls himself an disability advocate. He has a cousin whose son was just diagnosed with autism and she has been trying to get advice from him, apparently she has had specialists trying to push ABA on her when she doesn't want that for her son. I honestly have done some research on ABA but the people that seem to be most vocal and against it are older high functioning autistics.

I don't think autistics should be just left alone if they have legit problems, though I can't say I'm exactly a fan of a lot of the shit done even today. Mainly trying to force people not to stim or do other harmless things, or try to deliberately trigger meltdowns or treat people like they're stupid and to be dependant on NTs. Like I said WP did help my self esteem because before that I'd basically had it hammered into my brain that I was a defective subhuman and was doomed without a cure or NTs to look after me.

Then there's the really fucked up shit like what antivaxers put their kids through and shit that happens in institutions (especially the Judge Rottenburg center, which is infamous for using painful adversives to this day).

Tl;Dr, I'm for autistic rights in the sense of autistic people not being treated as less than human and being allowed to speak for themselves. Them being allowed to use the 'tism to do whatever they want, not so much.

 

[Jacquetta]

A lot of this is new to me because I noped the fuck out of every part of the autism community the second a dude (he was in his late 20s or early 30s. not sure which) at a support group I used to go to used the 'tism as an excuse to grope/creep on teenage (16-18 year old) girls and other instances of harassment without even getting kicked out of the group. And he did it multiple times. I brought up my concerns to to the guy in charge I think three times and got brushed off every single time.

Autism shouldn't be a free pass for playing grabass with a minor against her will at a barbeque when you're 30 years old and know exactly what you're doing.

(but I got told not to swear because I said "holy crap!" in front of the dude in charge. crap is an obscenity now, I guess! his priorities weren't fubar at all.)

Between sexual assault boy, Connor and WP in general I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with this fucking community. I don't understand why telling someone they're way out of line and/or giving them actual consequences is such a bad thing now.

 

[CWCissey]

A lot of this is new to me because I noped the fuck out of every part of the autism community the second a dude (he was in his late 20s or early 30s. not sure which) at a support group I used to go to used the 'tism as an excuse to grope/creep on teenage (16-18 year old) girls and other instances of harassment without even getting kicked out of the group. And he did it multiple times. I brought up my concerns to to the guy in charge I think three times and got brushed off every single time.

Autism shouldn't be a free pass for playing grabass with a minor against her will at a barbeque when you're 30 years old and know exactly what you're doing.

(but I got told not to swear because I said "holy crap!" in front of the dude in charge. crap is an obscenity now, I guess! his priorities weren't fubar at all.)

Between sexual assault boy, Connor and WP in general I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with this fucking community. I don't understand why telling someone they're way out of line and/or giving them actual consequences is such a bad thing now.

Because it's ableist and you're privileged scum or some such shit.

Seriously, fuck Tumblr and anyone who agrees with them.

 

[Adamska]

Between sexual assault boy, Connor and WP in general I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with this fucking community. I don't understand why telling someone they're way out of line and/or giving them actual consequences is such a bad thing now.

A mixture of Tumblr before it existed (many of 'em are self diagnosed and they used to bitch all the time about stuff), arrogance (obviously autists are smart as fuck awkward people who are masters of things... wait no. That depiction is dumb and a generalization), and the notion that they have the right level of functionality to be like a standard person, but are still damaged enough to get away with whatever they want since they have special needs. Combine all of that in a big ol' bubble that they don't want to pop.

In short, a good ass whoopin', either verbal or physical, usually does the trick with these sorts that need to see reality's true face, and the ones that don't learn... well...

The ones that don't learn usually become Chris.

 

[Charlie's Chaplin]

The rule of thumb is to be wary of anyone who self-diagnoses. It'll be Asperger's syndrome one day, then they'll move on to the edgelord illnesses like dissociative identity disorder or schizophrenia.

 

[guau]

The rule of thumb is to be wary of anyone who self-diagnoses. It'll be Asperger's syndrome one day, then they'll move on to the edgelord illnesses like dissociative identity disorder or schizophrenia.

It's already happened. The tumblrinas that were claiming autism two years ago are now saying they have bipolar, schizophrenia, DID and the Quality Street green triangle of disorders, PTSD. Internet babies love to claim to have PTSD.

Anyway onto the subject at hand, I never liked WP and I'm glad I stayed hell the far back from all that crazy.

 

[Android raptor]

A lot of this is new to me because I noped the fuck out of every part of the autism community the second a dude (he was in his late 20s or early 30s. not sure which) at a support group I used to go to used the 'tism as an excuse to grope/creep on teenage (16-18 year old) girls and other instances of harassment without even getting kicked out of the group. And he did it multiple times. I brought up my concerns to to the guy in charge I think three times and got brushed off every single time.

Autism shouldn't be a free pass for playing grabass with a minor against her will at a barbeque when you're 30 years old and know exactly what you're doing.

(but I got told not to swear because I said "holy crap!" in front of the dude in charge. crap is an obscenity now, I guess! his priorities weren't fubar at all.)

Between sexual assault boy, Connor and WP in general I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with this fucking community. I don't understand why telling someone they're way out of line and/or giving them actual consequences is such a bad thing now.

The actual fuck?????

Honestly I'm gonna sound like an SJW here, but I think part of the reason some actual autistics (not the self diagnosed bullshit) act that way is because some professionals have this patronizing attitude that not only are autistics subhumans who are doomed to be a burden to others, but that even high functioning ones are too stupid to understand their actions (kind of like how borb treated Chris). Its bullshit of the highest order, and honestly dehumanizing as fuck (since treating someone as equal means holding them to the decency standards of anyone else).

Of course it in no way makes the actions not a persons fault, hell a lot of people deliberately take advantage of that mentality. They know damn well they can play the autism card and be successful because a lot of people are none the wiser (kind of like women who take full advantage of sexism when it benefits them I.e. making guys buy them shit, avoiding physical work, etc).

Sauce: waaaay to much experience with how autistics are treated by the sped and psychiatric systems and interacting with a fuckton if other autistics in that system.

This makes me wonder if I should start a no-bullshit autism group, where groping minors gets your ass kicked out and possibly reported to the police and you can swear like a fucking sailor.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

This makes me wonder if I should start a no-bullshit autism group, where groping minors gets your ass kicked out and possibly reported to the police and you can swear like a fucking sailor.

I think there's a real need for an online community site for autistic people. It's a shame that Wrong Planet is currently the default, but the basic idea is a solid one.

Unfortunately in my experience when a website becomes as dominant within a subculture as Wrong Planet has, it kind of has to be left to collapse under its own weight. That shows no signs of happening soon - although lots of people are leaving Wrong Planet, as we've seen, they seem to be being replaced by new members.

 

[InternetShaft]

Yeah, I've heard of these guys before, but I had no idea they had such tainted world views. As someone with Asperger's, I personally find it offensive that they treat autism like it's something good, let alone reinforcing an "autistic revolution". How the Hell do they expect to uprise? Most of these people are delusional idiots, blaming their failures on autism instead of their own stupidity.

 

[Jacquetta]

How the Hell do they expect to uprise?

Clearly they're gonna sperg about whatever their fixations are till everyone else gives in.

At least that's what I'm assuming, because any other revolution these people try and mount will be put down by a couple of high schoolers who want to punch some nerds.

 

[harvey dirdban]

The swear filter on WP makes my eyes roll into low orbit. At first I thought Connor was doing that himself but then I realized it was automatic, which is worse. I get that autists like rules n shit but it's the 21st century and I'm pretty sure everyone using the internet has encountered the word "fuck" before.

 

[Android raptor]

Wait, WP has a swear filter? Didn't remember that. Does it just filter shit to asterisks or what?

 

[MysticMisty]

The swear filter on WP makes my eyes roll into low orbit. At first I thought Connor was doing that himself but then I realized it was automatic, which is worse. I get that autists like rules n shit but it's the 21st century and I'm pretty sure everyone using the internet has encountered the word "fuck" before.

The sad thing is, most forums that have swear filters in place will warn people for activating it and will give out bans for repeated infractions.

 

[Abethedemon]

The sad thing is, most forums that have swear filters in place will warn people for activating it and will give out bans for repeated infractions.

Shit.

 

[Android raptor]

Yeah, WP is far from the only forum to have a swear filter either. Even in the year 2015 of our (sperg)lord.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

The actual fuck?????

Honestly I'm gonna sound like an SJW here, but I think part of the reason some actual autistics (not the self diagnosed bullshit) act that way is because some professionals have this patronizing attitude that not only are autistics subhumans who are doomed to be a burden to others, but that even high functioning ones are too stupid to understand their actions (kind of like how borb treated Chris). Its bullshit of the highest order, and honestly dehumanizing as fuck (since treating someone as equal means holding them to the decency standards of anyone else).

Of course it in no way makes the actions not a persons fault, hell a lot of people deliberately take advantage of that mentality. They know damn well they can play the autism card and be successful because a lot of people are none the wiser (kind of like women who take full advantage of sexism when it benefits them I.e. making guys buy them shit, avoiding physical work, etc).

Sauce: waaaay to much experience with how autistics are treated by the sped and psychiatric systems and interacting with a fuckton if other autistics in that system.

This makes me wonder if I should start a no-bullshit autism group, where groping minors gets your ass kicked out and possibly reported to the police and you can swear like a fucking sailor.

Adults with autism are in my opinion the elephant in the room, nowadays when someone on the autistic spectrum enters education all the way through college they get specialized support (As well as often being handled with kid gloves leading to unrealistic expectations) but after that they are left to fend for themselves which usually ends up with long term unemployment or putting them on disability and then forgotten about.

Taking statistics from the UK only 15% of autistic adults are in full time work (With 79% on saying they'd prefer to have a job) and I'm guessing a surprisingly high percent are like Chris and still live with their parents or at least don't live independently.

 

[Android raptor]

Adults with autism are in my opinion the elephant in the room, nowadays when someone on the autistic spectrum enters education all the way through college they get specialized support (As well as often being handled with kid gloves leading to unrealistic expectations) but after that they are left to fend for themselves which usually ends up with long term unemployment or putting them on disability and then forgotten about.

Taking statistics from the UK only 15% of autistic adults are in full time work (With 79% on saying they'd prefer to have a job) and I'm guessing a surprisingly high percent are like Chris and still live with their parents or at least don't live independently.

Can't say about any other systems, but the sped program in my county (which was supposedly one of the best in the state) really did set kids up to rely on NTs and believe the best they could do was maybe live in a group home and work part time. So even if they were capable of so much more, they had it drilled into their heads by authority figures they weren't. It's pretty shitty.

There's also legit employment discrimination and the fact that shit minimum wage jobs don't tend to be very autism friendly (LOTS of interaction with strangers, often combined with significant noise and bright lights). On the more fucked up end there are companies that have special programs to get disabled people working, but in reality these programs are just a way for them to get labor they don't have to pay even minimum wage (Goodwill is probably the most notorious for this).

Still some are like Chris and knowingly take advantage of the low expectations people have for autistics. Those are almost certainly a tiny percentage though.

And yeah, autistic adults really are an elephant in the room. A lot of that is due to Autism Speaks and their ilk almost always using children in their shit, and even when autistic adults are brought up they're often infantalized as shit. Hell, I remember reading something written by an autistic woman who, as a kid ended up believing autistic people die when they reach adulthood because she never saw them being acknowledged (the doom and gloom tone of certain groups probably didn't help either). The more fanatical Jenny McCarthy brand autism moms even go out of their way to try and shut up autistic adults when they try to speak out because we generally don't fit the image they want to present.

Ableism is actually a thing, and its a pretty ugly rabbit hole that just gets worse the deeper you go. And no, people saying the words stupid or idiot is not part of that rabbit hole.

 

[harvey dirdban]

Geez. Maybe I dodged a bullet by not getting diagnosed until halfway through college.

 

[Xarpho]

Geez. Maybe I dodged a bullet by not getting diagnosed until halfway through college.

Or you could not get diagnosed at all. That means you don't officially have it, right?