[X-Post] Closure of the CWCki Forum's Private Discussion Board

[TheJukku]

I'd just like to point out that Mr Smith's spontaneous bullshit got better content out of chris than this entire inner circle effort.

 

[niggers]

like i really don't mind the trash raiding. is it creepy? hell yeah. but it's still trash. noone is going to be hurt be seeing what chris got in algerbra a decade ago or whatever. maybe all the times i've poached furniture from my apartment dumpster during college catching up to me, but if its gonna be hauled off, might as well make a use of it.

the difference between digging up some old garbage and creating a whole network of fictional people to create fictional drama is clear, at least to me. both are stalking (hell this website could be said to revolve around stalking) but theres a line you cross, especially when the results of your epic plans are as piss poor as the catherine video.

 

[bradsternum]

like i really don't mind the trash raiding. is it creepy? hell yeah. but it's still trash. noone is going to be hurt be seeing what chris got in algerbra a decade ago or whatever. maybe all the times i've poached furniture from my apartment dumpster during college catching up to me, but if its gonna be hauled off, might as well make a use of it.

the difference between digging up some old garbage and creating a whole network of fictional people to create fictional drama is clear, at least to me. both are stalking (hell this website could be said to revolve around stalking) but theres a line you cross, especially when the results of your epic plans are as piss poor as the catherine video.

It's a weird personal boundary. I don't know why, because you're right, someone threw it out. But when I see people digging through trash, it drives me insane.

 

[DX10]

On one hand, I'm pissed that the weens sunk to a new low by making fake gal-pal emails that basically broke him. But on the other hand...maybe there's hope for Chris. This forum is proof that there are still people who do genuinely care about Chris. The steel plated heart...I thought Chris was pathetic at first, but I realize now that he isn't pathetic, the weens are. There's something admirable in Chris, the way life has torn him in every which direction, yet he never gave up when you get down to it. Every time he said he would give up, he showed us that he still had some fight in him.

I think that while Chris is the ultimate cautionary tale in parenting, he might also be the ultimate testament to the undying determination of the human spirit. He's a fuck-up, but despite all that he has kept gunning for over three decades now, no matter how much shit he's been handed throughout his life. Isn't that just incredible? No matter how low he might sink, he's still going at it and living day-to-day regardless of his gripes. I think that takes some guts, conscious or unconscious, to do. I know that I've nearly given up over less than Chris has been through in the past.

 

[niggers]

It's a weird personal boundary. I don't know why, because you're right, someone threw it out. But when I see people digging through trash, it drives me insane.

like if they were digging through more recent stuff maybe i'd agree. bills, letters, prescription bottles etc etc can all contain personal info - and sometimes valuable info. i think its the fact that it's not just trash, but ancient trash that makes me okay with it.

 

[Blue Max]

The whole thing to me has been sociology top to bottom. I've never done more than read or potentially offer ideas in regards to Chris, so I'm not Inner Circle nor have any desire to be there, but I'd figured out much of this (and probably have small parts of it wrong.)

Truth is, trolling may have legitimately improved Chris' life:

• It has exposed him to thousands of people who aren't hostile to him and potentially may offer him an out in the not too distant future.

• I suspect that it challenged his own opinions of his sexuality. Crudely done, sure, but if he's a transsexual or homosexual--Trolling has largely revealed that he may be mistaken on it.

• We've posted and critiqued his works.
• Many of us donated in wake of tragedies in his life.
• Chris appears to be financially reliant on us.
• Chris is often wrong and least has a contrasting voice to ignore when he's wrong.

This doesn't mean that people should try to cause him emotional harm or mental torment. But at the same time, CWC is also culpable for his actions--he has made death threats, used a prostitute, run down a business owner with his car, and none of these things were created by Trolls.

And to be honest, we're all here because he asked us.
He decided that one day, he was going to create a comic based on Sonic and Pikachu. He saw that he was viewed negatively, so he decided to post an image of him having bizarre yoga with a female acquaintance. He even created his own wikipedia to tout his characters--I mean the guy worked on outreach for awhile. Even today, he's still Ebay / Craiglisting.

I don't want to deal the guy emotional harm, but I question the narrative that Trolling is necessarily bad. What other way is there to force CWC to confront his own shadow? He has received years of manipulation and now is beginning to understand that ancient art of "having a job". We are the only hope he's got--no trolls, and CWC is probably on the streets.

So we can feel bad for pushing him too far, but I think we've been a force for good. I regret things like Bluespike, but understanding a somewhat pathetic man adds insight into the human condition. We'll never be that man, nor do we want to be, but what about looking at a respectful distance?

 

[Null]

Trolling, by definition, has never improved Chris' life. Paying attention to Chris' public outlets and interacting with him via sales is not trolling.

 

[Alex Krycek]

Trolling has improved Chris' life as much as bad parenting improved Honey Boo-Boo's; it thrust him into the spotlight and brought him an audience, but his life wouldn't be in the state it was now if he never experienced it.

 

[Fantasma]

I feel weird I guess. Like instead of all forumers watching Chris together, some of them were actually producers of the "show". Mind you, the show was being advertised as "Based on a real life events".

 

[pickletickle]

I feel weird I guess. Like instead of all forumers watching Chris together, some of them were actually producers of the "show". Mind you, the show was being advertised as "Based on a real life events".

we were sold a PBS documentary and given Jersey Shore instead

 

[Broseph Stalin]

Alright, I ain't reading through 14-15 pages, so I'll blindly put in my two-cents having only skimmed through a few posts. We should be to Chris what The Watchers from Highlander are to the immortals: We observe and record, but never interfere.

 

[yaluj]

I don't disagree with any of the trolling plans, but I don't see any lulz here. I think I still follow Chris out of habit. Do the upper level trolls think there is any more lulz to milk? I don't see it.


I think; however, moralfagging isn't a good reason to stop trolling Chris. "Everyone he knows is a troll wah wah" So? Did you come in thinking we were here to make Chris feel good?

Or is it simply that you thought hurting Chris wasn't as bad before as it's become? I don't think the amount we're hurting chris has really changed. Unless you've just had a change of heart, and you think hurting Chris at all is bad, that I think would be a good reason to do what you're doing.

 

[Rogowski]

So the wiki will be taken down as well eventually? If so, I suggest an archive be made on a website like archive.today

 

[timtommy]

The whole thing to me has been sociology top to bottom. I've never done more than read or potentially offer ideas in regards to Chris, so I'm not Inner Circle nor have any desire to be there, but I'd figured out much of this (and probably have small parts of it wrong.)

Truth is, trolling may have legitimately improved Chris' life:

• It has exposed him to thousands of people who aren't hostile to him and potentially may offer him an out in the not too distant future.

• I suspect that it challenged his own opinions of his sexuality. Crudely done, sure, but if he's a transsexual or homosexual--Trolling has largely revealed that he may be mistaken on it.

• We've posted and critiqued his works.
• Many of us donated in wake of tragedies in his life.
• Chris appears to be financially reliant on us.
• Chris is often wrong and least has a contrasting voice to ignore when he's wrong.

This doesn't mean that people should try to cause him emotional harm or mental torment. But at the same time, CWC is also culpable for his actions--he has made death threats, used a prostitute, run down a business owner with his car, and none of these things were created by Trolls.

And to be honest, we're all here because he asked us.
He decided that one day, he was going to create a comic based on Sonic and Pikachu. He saw that he was viewed negatively, so he decided to post an image of him having bizarre yoga with a female acquaintance. He even created his own wikipedia to tout his characters--I mean the guy worked on outreach for awhile. Even today, he's still Ebay / Craiglisting.

I don't want to deal the guy emotional harm, but I question the narrative that Trolling is necessarily bad. What other way is there to force CWC to confront his own shadow? He has received years of manipulation and now is beginning to understand that ancient art of "having a job". We are the only hope he's got--no trolls, and CWC is probably on the streets.

So we can feel bad for pushing him too far, but I think we've been a force for good. I regret things like Bluespike, but understanding a somewhat pathetic man adds insight into the human condition. We'll never be that man, nor do we want to be, but what about looking at a respectful distance?

I often ponder whether Chris would have been better off had he never been discovered. I think the financial point is valid. He has gotten several thousand dollars on the basis of his e-fame. That is not trivial.

As for the rest of it: Chris lives in a weird fictional universe created by trolls. Something akin to a comic book or fairy tale. With supervillains and damsels in distress. Fear and love. But it's fake, and Chris never wins. Because the thing he wants from that world is for him to crush his enemies, win a damsel, and be universally loved and admired. The fictional world can't provide that, because that would have to extend into the real world.

The only reality underlying it is a ridiculously awkward guy living in rural Virginia with an elderly hoarding mother. Which is a depressing existence and one that seems to depress Chris as well.

It is kind of like the "is it better to have loved and lost question?". Literally, in the sense that he has had a fairly long list of "sweethearts" in the fictional universe. But even with non-sweetheart trolls, he was given a lot of windmills to tilt at, with all the accompanying hope and emotion that goes with that.

So if I phrase it that way, it seems obvious that the trolling has been a net positive.

But then I think about how shitty it would be if I had been trolled like Chris.

But then I think that my life has been fairly pleasant, if unspectacular, so replacing it with the trolling universe is not the same for me as it was for Chris.

But then I think how much he has resented the trolls and the trolling.

So I don't have a satisfactory answer to that question. I am left with only this conclusion. Asking whether Chris would have been better off had he never put Sonichu on the internet is like asking if he would have been better off being a farmer in ancient Babylonia. His life would be so different that comparison is almost impossible.

And there are a lot of people who have gotten a lot of amusement out of it. Trolling Chris has brought net happiness into the world. That's a justification most people won't touch because it has a fairly icky ring to it, and that logic can be extended into some fairly unpleasant places. But I think it is one a lot of us use subconsciously, whether we admit it or not.

 

[Gay Scientologist]

The Truman Show analogy is very interesting, in that much like the show, there have been cases where his life is "semi-controlled" by other people. Everything centred on him (obviously), but it took years for both Truman and Chris to really catch on. Truman realized things were up once blatant fuckups in reality became too obvious for him to ignore. Chris began to shrink back once he realized that thousands of trolls were carefully documenting and trying to control much of what he did. The comics ended because he knew that he no longer really had control over them. (it's obvious that from the start he made them with himself as the central character with unlimited power, but as soon as the real world impacted on this he no longer found it satisfying to continue with).

Fact of the matter is that despite the community built around him becoming much more self-aware, Chris can never leave this. He's always going to be "/the/ fat autistic manchild" who will always be the textbook example of naive internet buffoonery and trolling taken to a logical extreme. People will continue to watch him, some will try to fuck with him, but in the end he can't leave like Truman did. He has no idea how normal people interact. And most of his interactions have turned out badly (probably half of the people he "knows" or has met aren't even real) and while they give exposure, it is only to obsessives on the internet who seek to influence his life. Point is that he can't see what is out of the ordinary because he has never really had opportunities in which he could learn how to distinguish them, a fact which seems distressing to him because while he knows there are evidently massive faults in his life, he is incapable of being able to accurately identify them. What's depressing is that he will eventually die (or vanish), and when he does, the last dumps of information will come out and then we will be left with an extremely bad taste in the mouth.

 

[ThePlatformMaster]

It's time for me to come out of the woodwork because I want to finally express my thoughts.

I've lurked this forum on and off almost since its inception. I've followed Chris for even longer.

In fact, you could even say I was one of his "original" trolls in that I have followed him since the creation of his Encyclopedia Dramatica page. I was even part of the first ever batch of Sonichu "fan mail" sent to him. The MS Paint pictures I sent have never been featured and I have never been recognized. But I've never cared about that and never will.

This post is mostly directed at the "hardcore" trolls and those who take pride in being part of the "cool kids club" Inner Circle.

What has happened to Chris is disgusting. It has gone from humorous and creative trolling and pranking to a horrifying obsession. This trolling shit HAS. TO. STOP.

His trolls can try to rationalize it all they want and claim that "oh well Chris is a terrible person!". How? How is he so horrible that he deserves to have almost all aspects of his life tainted and controlled by demented strangers? Because he was raised slightly racist? Because he has a mental disability? Because he has weird quirks and kinks and a temper and is often a public nuisance? Fuck that. If you "valiant" trolls are so concerned with punishing terrible people, why not go after neo-Nazis? Why not go after legitimate pedophiles? I'll tell you why you don't. Because you're cowards. Chris is an easy target with whom you have no fear of reprisal. If you cross the wrong person on a Nazi message board, they could potentially find you and they could fucking end you. Chris, at best, would make a video where he shouted your trollsona's name. Because you are, at the root of it, tormenting a mentally challenged person.

The joke of it all? Most of you are "retarded" and/or "outcasts" in one way or another, yourselves! From lurking this forum for so long, I have seen countless posts that say "well I have aspergers and..." or "well I'm autistic but..." or "I'm fat" or "I have no friends" or "I'm a basement dweller" or "I've never touched a girl". Therefore, following and picking on Chris makes you feel better about yourselves. The trolls are finally "part" of something with a common enemy. I'm not saying this is true of all trolls/observers, but certainly a good number of them. These trolls/weens are so pathetic in their every day lives that they relish the chance to make a name for themselves somewhere.

And really, you have to be pathetic on some level to genuinely derive enjoyment out of the torture and suffering that Chris has been put through.

I am not against trolling. In fact, the opposite. When done creatively and subtly, it's hilarious. I loved the early days of Chris' trolling. Where he was just bumbling around and nudged into a certain direction and then you watch him flail over it. For example, some trolling wins:

- The original "fan art" from the "masturbatin and squirtin'" era. Subtle and creative.
- Jimmy Hill. Chris' magnum opus is stolen and bootlegged in England. Hilarious.
- The Real Christian Weston Chandler. Again, subtle at first and when Chris found out what was happening, he flipped.

Some absolute fucking fails:

- BlueSpike. Oh man, fuck that kid. Try and justify his trolling all you want, he was still just some demented little psycho who giggled gleefully as Chris shoved medallion pieces into his ass. The audio from that call made me genuinely angry. Not to mention, of course, sitting and listening to Chris masturbate for hours. I have never watched the Julay sex tape. Why would I want to?
- Kacey. You guys are applauding this? The Real Christian Weston Chandler was all you needed in that saga. You did not need another failure of a "sweetheart" who was simply around to emotionally scar Chris. Not to mention the fact that she is a mean, fat and ugly hambeast. You insult Chris for being fat and mean, yet you're just fine with Kacey? Not to mention the fact she failed on so many levels during her calls.
- Pretending that Chris' high school friends hate him. Fuck you. You're wrecking one of the only treasured memories this guy has left of his life. What's next, are you going to orchestrate some way for him to discover a doctored "Diary of Robert Franklin Chandler Jr." that details how much he actually hated his own son and wanted to abort him? I wouldn't put it past you weeny fucks.

Those are just a few examples of the good and the bad.

Chris has always been his greatest troll. And Chris has always been more hilarious when left to his own devices, or when gently nudged into another direction. Not when he's being screamed at over the telephone with shit like "WHY ARE YOU SO FAT WHY DON'T YOU GET A JOB YOU CAN'T EVEN SUPPORT YOURSELF YOU'RE ON WELFARE". And good lord, I cannot take another fake girlfriend. Holy shit. I look back fondly upon Chris' own accounts of his Love Quest failures depicted in the Sonichu comics. I loathe the troll-influenced bullshit from later issues.

Trolling Chris has gone so far beyond being funny that I now feel like I want to join his stupid "Troll Busters" bullshit and find the people responsible. I genuinely feel sorry for Chris and wish he could be free of all of this. You have destroyed a mentally challenged man. He's beaten, he's broken, he's depressed, he's pathetic. Nice work, heroes. Thank goodness you stopped the menace of the Crazy Pacer.

tldr: Keep the CWCKI if you want, but remove all the fake, misleading bullshit. Stop the fucking trolling. It's been 7 years, move on. I have followed him a lot longer than most of you and I am so sick of this bullshit.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

and wanted to abort him?

I thought he had been.

 

[Chuggernaut]

It's a weird personal boundary. I don't know why, because you're right, someone threw it out. But when I see people digging through trash, it drives me insane.

i spent a summer doing archaeology field work. Despite what Indiana Jones wants you to think, it's 95% digging up people's trash and hoping you find fossilized poops. Because of this digging through trash seems strangely normal to me.

 

[yaluj]

i spent a summer doing archaeology field work. Despite what Indiana Jones wants you to think, it's 95% digging up people's trash and hoping you find fossilized poops. Because of this digging through trash seems strangely normal to me.

Shit fossils, Randy. *glug*

 

[EI 903]

It's time for me to come out of the woodwork because I want to finally express my thoughts.

I've lurked this forum on and off almost since its inception. I've followed Chris for even longer.

In fact, you could even say I was one of his "original" trolls in that I have followed him since the creation of his Encyclopedia Dramatica page. I was even part of the first ever batch of Sonichu "fan mail" sent to him. The MS Paint pictures I sent have never been featured and I have never been recognized. But I've never cared about that and never will.

This post is mostly directed at the "hardcore" trolls and those who take pride in being part of the "cool kids club" Inner Circle.

What has happened to Chris is disgusting. It has gone from humorous and creative trolling and pranking to a horrifying obsession. This trolling shit HAS. TO. STOP.

His trolls can try to rationalize it all they want and claim that "oh well Chris is a terrible person!". How? How is he so horrible that he deserves to have almost all aspects of his life tainted and controlled by demented strangers? Because he was raised slightly racist? Because he has a mental disability? Because he has weird quirks and kinks and a temper and is often a public nuisance? Fuck that. If you "valiant" trolls are so concerned with punishing terrible people, why not go after neo-Nazis? Why not go after legitimate pedophiles? I'll tell you why you don't. Because you're cowards. Chris is an easy target with whom you have no fear of reprisal. If you cross the wrong person on a Nazi message board, they could potentially find you and they could fucking end you. Chris, at best, would make a video where he shouted your trollsona's name. Because you are, at the root of it, tormenting a mentally challenged person.

The joke of it all? Most of you are "retarded" and/or "outcasts" in one way or another, yourselves! From lurking this forum for so long, I have seen countless posts that say "well I have aspergers and..." or "well I'm autistic but..." or "I'm fat" or "I have no friends" or "I'm a basement dweller" or "I've never touched a girl". Therefore, following and picking on Chris makes you feel better about yourselves. The trolls are finally "part" of something with a common enemy. I'm not saying this is true of all trolls/observers, but certainly a good number of them. These trolls/weens are so pathetic in their every day lives that they relish the chance to make a name for themselves somewhere.

And really, you have to be pathetic on some level to genuinely derive enjoyment out of the torture and suffering that Chris has been put through.

I am not against trolling. In fact, the opposite. When done creatively and subtly, it's hilarious. I loved the early days of Chris' trolling. Where he was just bumbling around and nudged into a certain direction and then you watch him flail over it. For example, some trolling wins:

- The original "fan art" from the "masturbatin and squirtin'" era. Subtle and creative.
- Jimmy Hill. Chris' magnum opus is stolen and bootlegged in England. Hilarious.
- The Real Christian Weston Chandler. Again, subtle at first and when Chris found out what was happening, he flipped.

Some absolute fucking fails:

- BlueSpike. Oh man, fuck that kid. Try and justify his trolling all you want, he was still just some demented little psycho who giggled gleefully as Chris shoved medallion pieces into his ass. The audio from that call made me genuinely angry. Not to mention, of course, sitting and listening to Chris masturbate for hours. I have never watched the Julay sex tape. Why would I want to?
- Kacey. You guys are applauding this? The Real Christian Weston Chandler was all you needed in that saga. You did not need another failure of a "sweetheart" who was simply around to emotionally scar Chris. Not to mention the fact that she is a mean, fat and ugly hambeast. You insult Chris for being fat and mean, yet you're just fine with Kacey? Not to mention the fact she failed on so many levels during her calls.
- Pretending that Chris' high school friends hate him. Fuck you. You're wrecking one of the only treasured memories this guy has left of his life. What's next, are you going to orchestrate some way for him to discover a doctored "Diary of Robert Franklin Chandler Jr." that details how much he actually hated his own son and wanted to abort him? I wouldn't put it past you weeny fucks.

Those are just a few examples of the good and the bad.

Chris has always been his greatest troll. And Chris has always been more hilarious when left to his own devices, or when gently nudged into another direction. Not when he's being screamed at over the telephone with shit like "WHY ARE YOU SO FAT WHY DON'T YOU GET A JOB YOU CAN'T EVEN SUPPORT YOURSELF YOU'RE ON WELFARE". And good lord, I cannot take another fake girlfriend. Holy shit. I look back fondly upon Chris' own accounts of his Love Quest failures depicted in the Sonichu comics. I loathe the troll-influenced bullshit from later issues.

Trolling Chris has gone so far beyond being funny that I now feel like I want to join his stupid "Troll Busters" bullshit and find the people responsible. I genuinely feel sorry for Chris and wish he could be free of all of this. You have destroyed a mentally challenged man. He's beaten, he's broken, he's depressed, he's pathetic. Nice work, heroes. Thank goodness you stopped the menace of the Crazy Pacer.

tldr: Keep the CWCKI if you want, but remove all the fake, misleading bullshit. Stop the fucking trolling. It's been 7 years, move on. I have followed him a lot longer than most of you and I am so sick of this bullshit.

When you feel like you've ranted long enough to require a tl;dr at the end, it is usually best to delete all you've written and just go with the concluding summary.