Xbox Game Studios Stupidity Hate Thread Game Pass Edition

eople keep screaming that Microsoft said it was a "success" but I'm convinced this is some weird number fuckery bullshit (if it isn't just an outright lie, which it probably is) and not based on actual sales since I can't fucking believe that mass amounts of people bought it on Xbox when it was on Gamepass right fucking there, and everything seems to indicate on Steam that it didn't really sell that much. (I think it has a peak player count of like 6k, with an average of like 500 to 800 a day).

Gamepass is a fucking disaster and they need to heavily re stucture it at the very least. (since they'll never just out and out drop it unless they kill off the Xbox brand entirely).

It's all just so bewildering. I don't understand how a company can fuck up so much and just keep digging the pit deeper.
like I said in another thread, "success" is not down to just the money it made. but even if we look at it, some nips overworking itself probably cost far less than the rumored half a fucking billion i343 wasted the last 10 years.

also I don't wanna gloat but I pretty much said a long time ago gamepass will go nowhere. it's simply not sustainable unless you capture like 70%+ of the market, if not more. microsoft doesn't have the console presence for that (and pretty sure never will, dunno what they were smoking), and PC is open by nature.

It always seemed to me that as a customer gamepass was an awesome deal.
As the provider it was bound to fail unless everything you were offering to play was over at least year old.
the only way you can make money via a subscription service if you're one of the few, if not the only one, either because you came in early or you're the last one standing. like @The Last Stand said it worked for netflix and hulu for that reason - then everyone had dollarsigns in their eyes thinking that's the new moneymaker, forgetting you can only slice the cake so many times and it was simply a better service than cable. trying to turn it into cable 2.0 had the obvious effect.

so the only other option left is pump money to outlast everyone else - if you're the only game in tone, people don't have a choice like they did in the beginning, they HAVE to go through you. and then you can fleece them them hard, because again what other choice do they have? that's where the suits see the big money, willing to burn a lot of money to get there.
 
People mourn for that Arkane studio but I thought most of the staff left during/after development of Redfall so wasn't it practically dead anyways? Even if they hadn't shut it down the studio wouldn't ever be what it once was. It was probably best just to mercy kill it then to let it linger and make a bigger ass out of itself. At this point I'd have done the same thing with Bioware and take it out back with a shotgun.
 
like I said in another thread, "success" is not down to just the money it made. but even if we look at it, some nips overworking itself probably cost far less than the rumored half a fucking billion i343 wasted the last 10 years.
I wonder how much the microtransactions in Halo: Infinite made tbqh

Even the Halo fans I knew who said they hated the game ended up buying some.
 
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People mourn for that Arkane studio but I thought most of the staff left during/after development of Redfall so wasn't it practically dead anyways? Even if they hadn't shut it down the studio wouldn't ever be what it once was. It was probably best just to mercy kill it then to let it linger and make a bigger ass out of itself. At this point I'd have done the same thing with Bioware and take it out back with a shotgun.
MS really should have shut down the other branch too. Redfall might have been crap but Lyon has been dropping nothing but stinkers for as long as they've been doing their own thing.
 
People mourn for that Arkane studio but I thought most of the staff left during/after development of Redfall so wasn't it practically dead anyways? Even if they hadn't shut it down the studio wouldn't ever be what it once was. It was probably best just to mercy kill it then to let it linger and make a bigger ass out of itself. At this point I'd have done the same thing with Bioware and take it out back with a shotgun.
That was Arkane Austin a satellite studio that worked on spinoffs and B tier franchises

Arkane Lyon the main studio is still active so unless Microsoft gets frisky Dishonored 3 return of the cripple nigger is still coming.
 
That was Arkane Austin a satellite studio that worked on spinoffs and B tier franchises

Arkane Lyon the main studio is still active so unless Microsoft gets frisky Dishonored 3 return of the cripple nigger is still coming.
Lyon was the one who did the shitty Wolfenstein spin offs and Death of the Outsider. Austin did Prey which was better than anything Lyon ever shat out.
 
It seems like their next release might be that Blade game, another game with niggers and vampires. What could possibly go wrong? Arkane Lyon can have a turn to waste Microsoft oodles of money. Although failure is always a team effort so I can't solely blame the developers. The clowns upstairs get to share responsibility too.
 
. The streaming numbers for literally all video streaming companies are just insane with the losses
the difference is that eventually they can make back the money, they're spending huge on content but if say Netflix stopped spending billions to make sure a new movie was released every day on its platform it could hit record profitability quick. every non-netflix service is just playing catch up to where netflix is. they had a near decade head start on being a streaming giant. the only one doing it smart is Max, and thats probably because its owned by the king of reality tv, who realized streaming is about cheap fast fun content and wasting half a billion on some DEI movie or tv show is a waste usually.
as a customer gamepass was an awesome deal.
literally like the vidya version of moviepass. especially if you're open to trying out genres and aren't a fan of torrents.
so the only other option left is pump money to outlast everyone else
exactly, look at delivery apps. there's a dozen different ones. and investors are willing to eat some losses because if they become the only one then its they win everything. people forget that when uber first started there were a half dozen other companies that tried doing the same shit. You almost near hear about lyft or see someone drive for them whereas Uber literally replaced the word taxi in lexicon.
 
the difference is that eventually they can make back the money, they're spending huge on content but if say Netflix stopped spending billions to make sure a new movie was released every day on its platform it could hit record profitability quick. every non-netflix service is just playing catch up to where netflix is. they had a near decade head start on being a streaming giant.
Netflix's decade of head start got them still $15 billion in debt with no long term strategy beyond "have less debt than the other competitors". None of these streaming companies are profitable. Most of these streaming services are public companies and you can see their accounts and books. They are just drowning in debt and burning through cash.

They are not sustainable models. Movies used to make money in theaters, home physical media, cable, and then streaming. Now they just lose money streaming. Movies could lose money in the theaters and still come out when you factored in physical media purchases. Now they just all go straight to streaming to die. Which is exactly what Microsoft did to its Xbox brand. Meanwhile Sony's first party games still sell more than half of their copies on disc.
 
WSJ is reporting Call of Duty is going to Game Pass.

Microsoft Plans Boldest Games Bet Since Activision Deal, Changing How ‘Call of Duty’ Is Sold​

Software company will add the latest installment of the hit videogame series to its Game Pass subscription service at launch​

Microsoft plans a major shake-up of its videogame sales strategy by releasing the coming installment of Call of Duty to its subscription service instead of the longtime, lucrative approach of only selling it a la carte.

The plans, which mark the biggest change to Microsoft’s gaming division since it closed the $75 billion takeover of Activision Blizzard, are expected to be announced at the company’s annual Xbox showcase next month, according to people familiar with the matter.

Call of Duty is one of the most successful entertainment properties ever, generating over $30 billion in lifetime revenue. Activision, which makes it, has long released new editions annually, selling about 25 million copies on average for around $70 each in recent years.

A Microsoft spokeswoman declined to comment.

Before the Microsoft deal last year, Activision was reluctant to fully embrace subscription-based models for a game that still attracts a premium price. Microsoft’s subscription service, Game Pass, costs $9.99 to $16.99 a month, and provides access to hundreds of games from Microsoft and dozens of other companies.

All that means that, with Microsoft’s new plan, people could end up paying Microsoft less for the new Call of Duty than it would have made with the traditional approach. The tech company’s hope is that, instead, it will draw new users to Game Pass who will end up paying it more over the long term.

Last September, Microsoft’s science-fiction game “Starfield” was released on Game Pass at launch and it drove a record number of new subscriptions in a single day, Microsoft has said.
Call of Duty was central to regulators’ concerns over Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision, which closed in October after 21 months. The prolonged review was partly over concerns that the Call of Duty franchise could give Microsoft an unfair advantage in cloud gaming, a new and more affordable way of accessing games, if it were to decide in the future to withhold the series from rivals. Microsoft pledged not to do so.

Call of Duty made its debut in 2003 and has since ranked No. 1 in overall franchise sales each year from 2009 through 2023, according to research firm Circana. Bobby Kotick, who helmed Activision for more than three decades and left shortly after the Microsoft deal closed, saw the subscription model for games as bad for both the industry and players.

“I have a general aversion to the idea of multi-game subscription services,” Kotick said during a court hearing last year over a Federal Trade Commission lawsuit filed against Microsoft to block the Activision deal. “Maybe part of it is being in Los Angeles and having large, big media companies move their content to these subscription streaming services and the business results have suffered.”

Other industry executives have shared similar views, including Take-Two Interactive Software Chief Executive Strauss Zelnick, who has said subscriptions are fine for catalog games but not new frontline releases.

Microsoft’s decision has been the source of online speculation. Activision said on the X platform in October that the delays in closing the merger cost Microsoft the ability to release last year’s Call of Duty, “Modern Warfare III,” on Game Pass. Activision, which also owns World of Warcraft, Candy Crush and other hits, hasn’t yet revealed the name of this year’s Call of Duty game.

Microsoft launched Game Pass in 2017 and earlier this year it said the service had 34 million subscribers, up from 25 million in 2022.

Since major game releases can still garner premium prices, some analysts argue that subscription services pose too great a risk of cannibalizing a-la-carte sales. “We strongly believe that an overall shift to a subscription model for the industry would negatively impact value creation at the publishers,” TD Cowen analyst Doug Creutz wrote in his final report on Activision last year.

But Microsoft isn’t in a position to keep its own new releases off Game Pass if it wants other game companies to populate the service with their latest and greatest titles. Adding Call of Duty at launch would signal that the software company is committed to the subscription strategy, said Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter.
 
Rumours incoming that the rumour of a price increase of Gamepass is real and several tiers are coming.

My guess, based on previous rumours, is that Microsoft will offer a tier with adverts, a 'Premium' tier that removes with the adverts and tier that allows you to play games day 1. The other tiers are more like Xbox Live Gold where you get free games, but not day one.

Either way, the shit storm should be fun.
 
That reminded me I never used the code that I got with my series X for three months of ultimate something or other when I bought it.
Guess maybe I should?
 
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Rumours incoming that the rumour of a price increase of Gamepass is real and several tiers are coming.

My guess, based on previous rumours, is that Microsoft will offer a tier with adverts, a 'Premium' tier that removes with the adverts and tier that allows you to play games day 1. The other tiers are more like Xbox Live Gold where you get free games, but not day one.

Either way, the shit storm should be fun.
I guess they need to make that money back from buying Activision. Sony already added tiers to THEIR subscription services, look how the community responded to THAT. Wouldn't they make money off the microtransactions since they OWN Activision and their IPs?
 
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Rumours incoming that the rumour of a price increase of Gamepass is real and several tiers are coming.

My guess, based on previous rumours, is that Microsoft will offer a tier with adverts, a 'Premium' tier that removes with the adverts and tier that allows you to play games day 1. The other tiers are more like Xbox Live Gold where you get free games, but not day one.

Either way, the shit storm should be fun.
I dropped my gamepass when they said white people should make room for minorities. So I did.

I'm just so sorry I took up so much space before.
 
Rumours incoming that the rumour of a price increase of Gamepass is real and several tiers are coming.

My guess, based on previous rumours, is that Microsoft will offer a tier with adverts, a 'Premium' tier that removes with the adverts and tier that allows you to play games day 1. The other tiers are more like Xbox Live Gold where you get free games, but not day one.

Either way, the shit storm should be fun.
Wait Wait wait, console peasants actually have to watch ads on their gaming service?

Bruh, PC truly is master race God damn.
 
Wait Wait wait, console peasants actually have to watch ads on their gaming service?

Bruh, PC truly is master race God damn.
Sony has a patent in the wings that in order to skip commercials you have to shout the brand name of the commercial in question. I didn't think they'd ever use it, especially with how long they've been sitting on it, but now I'm starting to wonder if the timeline is crazy enough for it.
 
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and several tiers are coming.
call me a retard but do those tiers ever really work out? feels like they're only good as a way to start doing deals with companies for "free X" while offering a shitty tier and hoping some dope signs up for the ad free tier. like you get free netflix when you sign up for anything anywhere but its always the crap, super low tier.

in terms of revenue its probably a bad deal overall but they can always spin it to investors well AKA the Satellite radio method. Just because plenty of people are auto-signed up with their gym membership doesn't mean people are actually signing up for gamepass.
 
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call me a retard but do those tiers ever really work out?
No. They are done purely to pump the stock price or satisfy the board or investors.
in terms of revenue its probably a bad deal overall but they can always spin it to investors well AKA the Satellite radio method. Just because plenty of people are auto-signed up with their gym membership doesn't mean people are actually signing up for gamepass.
Someone found out that Microsoft counts their free employee Gamepass subs as being 'active subs' even if the person doesn't actually activate the code or use the service once. They just gave all Microsoft employees tons of codes for free or discount rates on Gamepass and reported it to investors as if it was some massive success story of their incredible adoption rates for the service.

You will see news articles with headlines like "Netflix Ad Tier is the Fast Growing Streaming Service" that offers zero proof of any claims.
 
Someone found out that Microsoft counts their free employee Gamepass subs as being 'active subs' even if the person doesn't actually activate the code or use the service once. They just gave all Microsoft employees tons of codes for free or discount rates on Gamepass and reported it to investors as if it was some massive success story of their incredible adoption rates for the service.

You will see news articles with headlines like "Netflix Ad Tier is the Fast Growing Streaming Service" that offers zero proof of any claims.
Wait till you find out that half of Microsoft's "cloud" revenue is Office subscriptions, not infrastructure-as-a-service.
 
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