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Ehh. It was mostly just more of her "poorly-supported chud-coded stuff that just feels right so you can nod along with it" content.
As ever, I agree with most of her main points. I just see these as purposeless videos.
There's basically no argumentation from her. It's all opinion and assertions that seem right but aren't really supported by much. It's all intuition and vibes. So her opponents aren't being won over, and the people who agree with her aren't being armed with better arguments that they can use. Nobody is being challenged to think more deeply by anything that she's saying.
She's just raking in ad revenue. Nothing else is really happening here. Plus, she's is about five years late to the topic.
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The Chuds have been saying for for a decade now that modern literary interpretations of women are not grounded at all in reality.
I actually like to take the example GTA 6 which still has not been released but we already know how the female lead is going to be portrayed. She will approach conflict and resolve them like a man will. When men encounter conflict, they tend to resort to physical means of resolution. In the anti social context of GTA this means blowing shit up and shooting mother fuckers.
Female conflict resolution is different. Its more conniving and focused around attacking the targets social networks rather then his body. An anti social criminal female wont bring down the big bad by ramming in the front door with a dodge viper and blasting away with an SMG. She will sleep with the dudes lieutenant and convince him to start an internal civil conflict in the enemy gang. That or just sleep with the big bad directly and cut his dick off while he is asleep.
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I just realized "Half His Age" was supposed to be out now. Is it, and have you been reading it?
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It got a 3.4 on goodreads and reviews are fairly mixed.
It feels like her publisher/agent nudge-nudged her into cobbling together some manuscript half based off her own experiences and current trendy 'feminine rage' man-eater dog-girl aesthetic. A couple reviews mention its hard to read knowing what happened to her at Nickelodeon
... choice quotes though.
Not to bring back the annotations debate, but I've started reading Wuthering Heights and my god is the prose good. I'm highlighting my favourite descriptions for the English weather, am I a booktok girlie yet?
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Ian Kirkpatrick on YouTube has a review of it out already.
Almost 3 hours long, thorough plot summary, lots of excerpts read aloud. 2x speed chads are feasting.
The verdict: it's just more femgooner lit, but with stiff, overly-detailed, "tryhard edgy" writing, and no one to root for among the characters.
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Tbh, it may partially be due to ease of writing porn over everything else (I am permanently artblocked, but I used to take short smut comissions as a teen, cause they require zero brainpower), but that does not account for the popularity.
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Popularity of smut/spice can be explained by 'caveman lizard brain dopamine sexy time feel good unga bunga hot man'
and it feels good to be "in the know" and read and talk about what everyone else in your social media circles is talking about
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What use would the arguments and the evidence to back them up be? Not like the publishing industry (or any entertainment industry) is gonna change course on this. Not like the people who seek out this stuff are gonna have their wants/desires changed because you made a well reasoned argument. She's pissing off people, and making us laugh at their reactions to her. That's about as much cultural impact she is going to have.
I used to point out the orchestra in Warcraft were to the night elves as the Pilgrims were to the Indians ..
People got so mad.
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Well the real issue is that it's way easier to get in the Left bubble. You don't even have to try. While you have to REALLY work to put yourself into a Right bubble and even then leaks happen.
Hence the old meme, the Right gets their understanding of what the Left believes by listening to what the Left says, while the Left gets their understanding about what the Right believes by listening to what other Leftists say about the Right.
I keep thinking about a reply but the late great Shamus Young already did.
Basically do you want to be accurate, or do you want to be memorable? Doesn't matter. If you're memorable they'll critique you for being inaccurate. If you're accurate they'll critique you for being boring. There is no winning move.
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I cannot believe that LitRPG is a genre. It's fucking embarrassing. Heavy crafting? How the fuck do you make that interesting at all? What kind of autism golems have we created that consume this nonsense?
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Personally I find LitRPG to have about the same cultural value as crush videos.
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I truthfully like the genre. And while it'll never be high art, it's more in the way my shitty paperback edition of Orion In the Dying Time than a damn crush video.
In the 20th century, Ben Nova gave his hero psychic powers that let him control his body so well he could out-sweat the heat emanating from the center of the Earth, allowing him to reach the time machine an evil dinosaur man had stuck inside it.
In the 21st, modern pulp novelists often give their protagonists stat sheets that may or may not let them super-sweat, or some other equally silly thing, that also allows them defeat whatever big-bad or villain the author has happened to set their way. It's not too different.
They combine a lot of the fun of lets plays and stat-building with good old fashioned fantasy and adventure stories, and are, notably, one of the very few genres to come out in a while that naturally and readily attracts large audiences of young men.
Of all the many evils the modern world has spawned, Vainqueur the Dragon and its ilk are so low on the list, they're hardly worth mentioning. Reading litRPGs, like eating chocolate, is something that only becomes concerning when you consume them in excess, and even then, that's more on the person than the genre.
This thread is heavily biased towards older, accomplished readers, which isn't surprising, but does mean more than the occasional snob on their high horses trotting by. People should be allowed to like stupid things without being accused of being an freak or a golem, and sometimes I want something that's more Spaceballs than 2001. There's room enough in the world for both.
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Larry Correia gave another rendition of "Conservative influencers don't plug conservative authors or even authors period" over on twitter, this time directed at the owner and CEO of The Babylon Bee: Seth Dillon
Seth Dillion's first tweet responding to an article:
Larry's response:
Seth replied:
To which Larry smacked him down hard:
So far Seth hasn't replied, and I don't expect him to.
I'm posting this because it opens up a window onto the minds of influential conservatives. Here you have a man leading a major outlet of con media playing pretend he isn't an influencer. This point of Larry's: It is easier to complain about the dearth of conservative entertainment, than it is to promote what's already there. Speaks exactly to the issue with most conservative media. They've adopted the GOPe strategy of always bitching about someone else's leadership, but never stepping forth to lead themselves. They're happy to sit back and watch media get over run with anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-family, etc... messaging if it means they can make an easy living appealing to people's outrage. Larry has just shy of 50K followers on X. Dillon on the other hand is just shy of 900K. The Babylon Bee has over 5 million followers on X. Actual influence, actual power to shift eye balls and dollars away from film, tv, music, and the book industry over run with progressives who don't for a second doubt their roles as influencers on American culture. If this isn't deliberate self-sabotage of a viable conservative counter-culture, I don't know what is. The entire reason Peter Theil tried to buy Baen books was because of this. Politics is downwind of culture.
Seth Dillion's first tweet responding to an article:
Larry's response:
I got tagged in this. Go figure.
I answered why bother? Con Inc Influencers would just ignore new good books by Christian authors like they've ignored all the other good books by Christian authors. Same exact story as with conservative authors.
I'm starting to think the biggest reason most of Con Inc influencers constantly complain about this issue, but never actually plug or promote any of the existing stuff which offers everything they supposedly want to their millions of followers/potential book customers, is that Con Inc doesn't actually read much.
They post a lot about Culture War, and Why Don't Men Read, and they make a ton of assumptions about an industry they know nothing about, and those posts get lots of clicks, anguish, and that sweet sweet outrage money, but actually plugging books would require reading books. And what busy influencer has time for that?
I guess one of us conservative writers just needs to get a TV adaptation made so these busy influencers can just watch that instead, and then they might finally admit one of us actually exists.
Heh... Too bad the odds of a living non-lib author getting Hollywood to adapt our stuff is like winning the lottery.
For the record, conservative influencers don't all suck. There's a handful who will plug art they like to their fans without getting bribed or coerced into it (and authors love them!) but most of them really don't give a shit. It is easier to complain about the dearth of conservative entertainment, than it is to promote what's already there.
The sad part is that people really don't grasp how few copies need to get moved to shove a book to the top of various lists and Amazon, which gets more eyeballs on it. If some mega influencers really wanted to promote books, they'd be instant bestsellers. Just not on the NYT list, because it's rigged bullshit, and they will stomp on books based on the author's politics, and I say this as a NYT bestselling author (or former NYT bestseller, who will surely never be on there again)
To be fair to @SethDillon he is right about what the culture needs. People keep buying lots of my books because my books are entertaining. I'm an entertainer first. They don't buy my books because I'm religious, or vote Republican, or am a gun nut (well, they might try one book, but they're only coming back for more if that one is actually good). When people put identity before entertainment (right or left) then the product is going to come off preachy or ham fisted.
So in the off chance some influencer reads this and decides to promote Christian fiction, don't just push anything that slaps that label on itself. Promote something that you actually LIKE. (but again, that would require reading books, so back to hoping for that TV deal)
I answered why bother? Con Inc Influencers would just ignore new good books by Christian authors like they've ignored all the other good books by Christian authors. Same exact story as with conservative authors.
I'm starting to think the biggest reason most of Con Inc influencers constantly complain about this issue, but never actually plug or promote any of the existing stuff which offers everything they supposedly want to their millions of followers/potential book customers, is that Con Inc doesn't actually read much.
They post a lot about Culture War, and Why Don't Men Read, and they make a ton of assumptions about an industry they know nothing about, and those posts get lots of clicks, anguish, and that sweet sweet outrage money, but actually plugging books would require reading books. And what busy influencer has time for that?
I guess one of us conservative writers just needs to get a TV adaptation made so these busy influencers can just watch that instead, and then they might finally admit one of us actually exists.
Heh... Too bad the odds of a living non-lib author getting Hollywood to adapt our stuff is like winning the lottery.
For the record, conservative influencers don't all suck. There's a handful who will plug art they like to their fans without getting bribed or coerced into it (and authors love them!) but most of them really don't give a shit. It is easier to complain about the dearth of conservative entertainment, than it is to promote what's already there.
The sad part is that people really don't grasp how few copies need to get moved to shove a book to the top of various lists and Amazon, which gets more eyeballs on it. If some mega influencers really wanted to promote books, they'd be instant bestsellers. Just not on the NYT list, because it's rigged bullshit, and they will stomp on books based on the author's politics, and I say this as a NYT bestselling author (or former NYT bestseller, who will surely never be on there again)
To be fair to @SethDillon he is right about what the culture needs. People keep buying lots of my books because my books are entertaining. I'm an entertainer first. They don't buy my books because I'm religious, or vote Republican, or am a gun nut (well, they might try one book, but they're only coming back for more if that one is actually good). When people put identity before entertainment (right or left) then the product is going to come off preachy or ham fisted.
So in the off chance some influencer reads this and decides to promote Christian fiction, don't just push anything that slaps that label on itself. Promote something that you actually LIKE. (but again, that would require reading books, so back to hoping for that TV deal)
Seth replied:
To which Larry smacked him down hard:
So far Seth hasn't replied, and I don't expect him to.
I'm posting this because it opens up a window onto the minds of influential conservatives. Here you have a man leading a major outlet of con media playing pretend he isn't an influencer. This point of Larry's: It is easier to complain about the dearth of conservative entertainment, than it is to promote what's already there. Speaks exactly to the issue with most conservative media. They've adopted the GOPe strategy of always bitching about someone else's leadership, but never stepping forth to lead themselves. They're happy to sit back and watch media get over run with anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-family, etc... messaging if it means they can make an easy living appealing to people's outrage. Larry has just shy of 50K followers on X. Dillon on the other hand is just shy of 900K. The Babylon Bee has over 5 million followers on X. Actual influence, actual power to shift eye balls and dollars away from film, tv, music, and the book industry over run with progressives who don't for a second doubt their roles as influencers on American culture. If this isn't deliberate self-sabotage of a viable conservative counter-culture, I don't know what is. The entire reason Peter Theil tried to buy Baen books was because of this. Politics is downwind of culture.