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Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I cannot believe that LitRPG is a genre. It's fucking embarrassing. Heavy crafting? How the fuck do you make that interesting at all? What kind of autism golems have we created that consume this nonsense?

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I started on Dungeon Reset. It is entertaining to watch a guy figure out how to use construction skill to break the world.

"Oh you fear the warrior with a sword? Wait until you see what I can do with dirt..."


Inatrous said:
This thread is heavily biased towards older, accomplished readers, which isn't surprising, but does mean more than the occasional snob on their high horses trotting by. People should be allowed to like stupid things without being accused of being an freak or a golem, and sometimes I want something that's more Spaceballs than 2001. There's room enough in the world for both.
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Best defense of litrpg I've read...

He labels it Progression Fantasy which I like.

World Famous Quasi Payer said:
They've adopted the GOPe strategy of always bitching about someone else's leadership, but never stepping forth to lead themselves. They're happy to sit back and watch media get over run with anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-family, etc... messaging if it means they can make an easy living appealing to people's outrage. Larry has just shy of 50K followers on X. Dillon on the other hand is just shy of 900K. The Babylon Bee has over 5 million followers on X. Actual influence, actual power to shift eye balls and dollars away from film, tv, music, and the book industry over run with progressives who don't for a second doubt their roles as influencers on American culture. If this isn't deliberate self-sabotage of a viable conservative counter-culture, I don't know what is. The entire reason Peter Theil tried to buy Baen books was because of this. Politics is downwind of culture
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"The man in the arena..."

You're right, I just dispute the motivation. The truth is it's way safer to critique something then put yourself out there, even to recommend. You can find examples on this very website about how the critical Drinker did in his own short film. (Even some complaining that he never recommends anything he likes - even though I have like a dozen of his vids in my watch history of him doing just that.) If you say something is crap, people will avoid it and almost nobody will ever check to see if you're wrong. But if you say something is good and then they watch it and find out it isn't... they'll accuse you of lying and deception or worse. (Shill!)

Larry was good to point out in a different tweet that critique gets more clicks and likes than praise so it's not entirely their fault.
 
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Inatrous said:
In the 21st, modern pulp novelists often give their protagonists stat sheets that may or may not let them super-sweat, or some other equally silly thing, that also allows them defeat whatever big-bad or villain the author has happened to set their way. It's not too different.

They combine a lot of the fun of lets plays and stat-building with good old fashioned fantasy and adventure stories, and are, notably, one of the very few genres to come out in a while that naturally and readily attracts large audiences of young men.
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My whole issue with it is that these readers can somehow only engage with fantasy media via the medium of a video game even in written works, and even if they're into cultivation stories more broadly it's mostly just bottom of the barrel amatuer slop. It is my right to be heavily opinionated about these things.
 
Age of Scorpius is DEAD

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We're canceling the spring release of the The Age of Scorpius 2nd Edition, and we'll be sending a refund to any preorder buyer who wants one. This includes all platforms/storefronts, both hardcover & paperback.

As may be evident to many of you, the company has significantly reduced operability & resources now. That means we can't fulfill all the refunds instantaneously. The process will be slow, and we are unable to set a clear deadline.

We know this is insufficient. We shouldn't have let it get this far - as many of you warned us about, repeatedly. Our sincere apologies. We intend to get buyers their refund in due course, as it’s what we owe to all the people who supported & believed in us.

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I'm expecting most people to move on, and there's no hard feelings at all. Milo & I are grateful for all the support you've given us throughout this rocky road. If you decide to continue supporting Milo, then you have our humblest gratitude.

Thank you, for everything. Sorry, for taking so long to get here. Farewell for now!

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Wow, a conwoman who turned trans to escape criticism has pulled another con. As a good person on the right side of history, which involves igoring established patterns, I am completely blindsided by this!
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I cannot believe that LitRPG is a genre. It's fucking embarrassing. Heavy crafting? How the fuck do you make that interesting at all? What kind of autism golems have we created that consume this nonsense?
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It's just the appeal of progression fantasy with numbers and lists that create a very comprehensible set of 'rules' the universe has to follow. Incredibly autistic but there is a reason why people flock to it. One of the big hooks of any good litrpg story is where you, in the course of reading the story, figure out some kind of loophole from the stuff presented and then the character goes on to exploit that. It's the same sort of problem solving fun you get from mystery stories where you figure out the culprit before the story reveals it.

I think the genre took off because it's so aggressively male that women can't ruin it, and the innate absurdity makes it more palatable to our irony-poisoned culture. However, I don't think it'll have legs and will probably go back out of fashion by the end of the decade. We might already be past its peak tbh.

Dungeon Crawler Carl is getting a live action TV show adaptation though, which I expect will renew interest in the genre from normies if it takes off.

World Famous Quasi Payer said:
Actual influence, actual power to shift eye balls and dollars away from film, tv, music, and the book industry over run with progressives who don't for a second doubt their roles as influencers on American culture. If this isn't deliberate self-sabotage of a viable conservative counter-culture, I don't know what is. The entire reason Peter Theil tried to buy Baen books was because of this. Politics is downwind of culture.
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Another issue is that conservatives are in this weird state where they still have to pander to boomer conservatives who are aggressively anti-intellectual and anti-art. Talking about books is some faggy coastal elite shit and real men don't read books (in fact - writers deserve to be destitute for having the gall to do something that isn't working a dead-end construction job or moving shekels).

This will probably fix itself naturally over time. Younger centrists and conservatives are more open to reading things and seeing data. They don't want to cede ground to lefties in certain spaces anymore. The entire Trump sweep was arguably a product of conservatives finally having some kind of intellectual pull and that pull came almost entirely from the millennials and zoomers before moving up the demographic pyramid.
 
Current YA discourse is slagging off female Asian-American writers for the utter shite they write; its either Chinese history with vague name changes or 'generational trauma'.
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There's also 'noooo mlm fiction is TOTALLY for gay men' discourse that I don't care to screenshot. No actual gay man is reading fucking fanfic/books LMFAO. Everyone knows most m/m fic is written by women, for women, who fucking cares, it's all shit.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
Current YA discourse is slagging off female Asian-American writers for the utter shite they write; its either Chinese history with vague name changes or 'generational trauma'.
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What's missing is how she falls in love with one of the white invaders and describes taking fat loads of his sour cream after seeing him flay her neighbor alive (it's a little okay though because her neighbor was an oppressive Asian patriarch trying to keep her down)

Heinrich Maneuver said:
'generational trauma'.
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This is just a product of the same MFA writing mills that produce the bland melange of "lived experience" slop you get from every group of women. I think the reason why it's more noteworthy is that a lot of AmAsian women are so low self-esteem that any 'validation' of their lives is exciting which is why these actually end up selling.

Also a side tangent - I think a lot of the base for this is specifically west coast AmAsians. You never hear about this shit from AmAsians in the south or whatever.

Heinrich Maneuver said:
There's also 'noooo mlm fiction is TOTALLY for gay men' discourse that I don't care to screenshot. No actual gay man is reading fucking fanfic/books LMFAO. Everyone knows most m/m fic is written by women, for women, who fucking cares, it's all shit.
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No gay man would ever use the tag "mlm." That's some faggy shit for mentally-damaged foids to couch what's happening in the most milquetoast framing imaginable. They use words like this because they're terrified of sex while being titillated by it, so they dance around what's actually going on. That's also why these stories end up not really landing with gay men because it's just vague flowery language obfuscating the epic sword fight taking place.

Gay men want to read stories where gay men have gay sex with other gay men (and sometimes confused straight men). If they could get away with putting an ottermode twink with a throbbing cock on the cover, they'd do it.
 
Fcret said:
Gay men want to read stories where gay men have gay sex with other gay men
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Maybe younger urban gays want to read books, but i feel like most gay men are just out there actually shagging other men or engaging with visual art/porn videos (whether Tom of Finland tier human art or furry porn). Agree tho that anyone who thinks romantasy or anything on the GoodReads homepage is for gay men is fucking delusional.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
Maybe younger urban gays want to read books, but i feel like most gay men are just out there actually shagging other men or engaging with visual art/porn videos (whether Tom of Finland tier human art or furry porn). Agree tho that anyone who thinks romantasy or anything on the GoodReads homepage is for gay men is fucking delusional.
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But pooners (who are totes real MANLY men, just ask them- but not too harshly, they might cry) luuuurve it and they are just as gay as any cis gay guy pounding some rando's asshole in a dirty club bathroom, they just want twue love and flowers and romance. But in a gay way, not a disgusting cishetero way.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
There's also 'noooo mlm fiction is TOTALLY for gay men' discourse that I don't care to screenshot. No actual gay man is reading fucking fanfic/books LMFAO. Everyone knows most m/m fic is written by women, for women, who fucking cares, it's all shit.
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I only ever read straight romance fiction specifically because so much of m/m stuff is blatantly geared towards fujos, not gay men.

The only actual gay men that like that shit are the ones who are so annoying that even other gay men call them faggots.
 
There was a pretty big asian population where I went to high school, mostly chinese and vietnamese. I remember one time at a track meet these viet parents were screaming at their daughter for coming in second place, in front of the entire goddamn school. shit was brutal. the race in general also fucking despises women, it makes sense that contemporary female asian-american lit would mostly be about that shit. no one hates asian women more than their mothers.
 
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stupid frog said:
Is this series good? Should I read it?
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It was alright. If you want to a starting point to dive into the litrpg genre nothing else really jumps out at me, if you are keen to ignore the trend you aren't missing out on much.

I am fucking amazed that it was one of the most successful book kickstarter projects to ever exist.

If you do end up reading it make sure you stay a book behind wherever he is currently at. He was constantly revising things that happened in the last chapter with only small blurbs explaining what he changed even though it completely changes the end point and start point of both chapters and pisses you off. Just part of the lazy trend of community reviewing you get from uploading on patreon. I understand it makes for a more coherent book overall but it sucks ass on a RSS feed.
 
Elite Kipchak said:
THANKS FOR THE MONEY, DUMMIES
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Making a franchise where the characters are the children of famous heroes or mythological groups is so over done so her story pitch wasn’t interesting anyway. The trope was executed great in Percy Jackson with Greek gods, Ever After High for fairytale characters, and okay with Descendants and RWBY. But with Zodiacs I feel it’s a cheap way to world build because there are already houses and characteristics for each sign you can use from the real world. Though if you go too astray with horoscopes I feel those astrology women will give you a harder time than other groups since they are very opinionated about assigning zodiacs to certain personalities.
 
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